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Life Without "-ism"?
    #4664749 - 09/15/05 01:55 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

-ism
3 a : doctrine : theory : cult <Buddhism>
b : adherence to a system or a class of principles <stoicism>


I was brought up to be suspicious of -isms. My mother grew up in the ritualistic shadows of Catholicism, and changed coasts to get out from under the doctrines of church and family.

My personal beliefs are a mish-mosh of whatever produces positive results in my life. If ideas which appeal to me initially do not aid me in enjoying existence--TO DA CURB! I have not found any one belief system which encompasses all of the ideas/practices I find beneficial, and so I do not embrace any "-ism."

Whenever I notice that I feel defensive about my ideas, or offensive about someone else's ideas, it warns me that an -ism has snuck in to my beliefs. Recently it was "Love-ism," and my hackles were raised by the assertions of others that love was nothing special.

As soon as I loosened my hold on the belief that there was something uniquely correct about seeing Love as important, I was no longer defensive. If I remained identified with my belief, I would have continued to see opposing beliefs as "attacks" on my self.

Do you think it is possible to live without -isms?
What has your experience been with holding beliefs?
Are belief systems necessary or extraneous and limiting?


Edited by Veritas (09/16/05 12:52 PM)


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Veritas]
    #4664780 - 09/15/05 02:01 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

*Swami sheepishly removes crystal pr-ism from rear-vew mirror*  :blush:


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Veritas]
    #4664817 - 09/15/05 02:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Right you are Veritas. This is something I have to work on constantly,(because I fail at it so much) :grin:

I only vigoriously defend ideas I am unsure of

And really there's not much to be sure of in this life.

Good reminder. :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Veritas]
    #4664833 - 09/15/05 02:11 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Do you think it is possible to live without -isms?
What has your experience been with holding beliefs?
Are belief systems necessary or extraneous and limiting?


Here is a very, very thorough article which suggests that one need not express any beliefs to establish scientific facts, predictions, or to live a prosperous, moral, and productive life.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/beliefs.htm

Jiddu Krishnamurti, who many regard as one of the most important spiritual teachers in history, also advocated the same principle.
Alan Watts is also a definite honorable mention in that same vein, and one particular book that comes to mind is "The Wisdom of Insecurity", but all of his books are great reads.

Some excerpts from the link provided above:








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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #4664842 - 09/15/05 02:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Excellent!

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The earliest evidence of human culture (or more accurately, a lack of evidence), has revealed that during the early Neolithic period, human culture showed few signs of dangerous war-inflicting belief-systems.

Their concerns seemed aimed towards nature and female fertility worship. Notably, the first known examples of art contain no images of armed might, cruelty and violence based power. No images of battles or slavery [2]. There existed at that time no fortifications built for defense, or offensive weapons designed for war.

Violent belief-systems did not seem to come into existence until humans invented language and male dominated religions. According to Riane Eisler, "one of the best-kept historical secrets is that practically all the material and social technologies fundamental to civilization were developed before the imposition of a dominator society."

With the introduction of war-god beliefs, killing other humans became honorable and acceptable and to this day, people continue to revel in it.




Yes! I have been discussing this with my dear man, Icelander, for weeks now. Thanks for the link!


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Veritas]
    #4665000 - 09/15/05 02:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Violent belief-systems did not seem to come into existence until humans invented language and male dominated religions




Damn language.  :hissyfit:


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Edited by Icelander (09/15/05 02:55 PM)


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Veritas]
    #4665030 - 09/15/05 02:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

ism-ism... :smile:


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Gomp]
    #4665056 - 09/15/05 02:54 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

or maybe anti-ism-ism?  :grin:


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Gomp]
    #4665062 - 09/15/05 02:55 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

This brings to mind the way in which Rastafari pays particular mind to language: Rastas consider it offensive to refer to Rastafari as "Rastafarianism" becuase of the -ism ending and associated implications... one could argue that it's an -ism regardless, but this is a point of debate.


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Veritas]
    #4665171 - 09/15/05 03:15 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

In the earliest days, when few people existed, there was plenty of resources for everyone. Warfare came about initially over coveted huntings grounds and such and with ever-increasing populations comes more warfare.

Has nothing to do with language.


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: mikeytwice]
    #4665191 - 09/15/05 03:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

mikeytwice said:
This brings to mind the way in which Rastafari pays particular mind to language: Rastas consider it offensive to refer to Rastafari as "Rastafarianism" becuase of the -ism ending and associated implications... one could argue that it's an -ism regardless, but this is a point of debate.




And Highly unlikely I Jah! :wink:

Pajamas in the name of the lord. Pajamas Pajamas Pajamas Pajamas.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Veritas]
    #4666041 - 09/15/05 06:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"I was brought up to be suspicious of -isms."
What about cannibalism.


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4666048 - 09/15/05 06:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Definitely that one!

:shiftyeyes:  Hey, quit looking at me like that!  Are you hungry?  I've got a nice lasagna baking...


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Veritas]
    #4666136 - 09/15/05 06:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I do like lasagna...it is my second favorite "food".


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4666145 - 09/15/05 06:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Well, maybe we could go out for "dessert" then?


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Veritas]
    #4666223 - 09/15/05 07:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The best way to get rid of 'isms' is to stop thinking entirely.


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Veritas]
    #4666319 - 09/15/05 07:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

:smile:


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4666331 - 09/15/05 07:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

As long as we're not "having friends" for dinner, I'm good to go! :grin:


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: Veritas]
    #4667490 - 09/15/05 11:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Just so long as we can keep "asm's", all should be good....!  :grin:

Wait, what about organisms....?  There would be no life without organisms....    :frown:


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Re: Life Without "-ism"? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #4667517 - 09/15/05 11:32 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
The best way to get rid of 'isms' is to stop thinking entirely.




That's the second best way actually.

The first best way is to drink some cyanide. That'll stop all those pesky human thoughts from making you feel something real. After all, we should all be feeling happy and relaxed and God-like all the time, with evidence and logic doing nothing to help that come about.

I think a lot of people secretly look forward to death, but not because they truely believe in Heaven.


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