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PookztA
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to Crumble or NOT to Crumble? that is the question ;)

#4663519 - 09/15/05 12:42 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

in the 50/50 casing Tek, there is this exact instruction.

"OK, now the fun part!

Take vermiculite, first mix in a bowl with water until its real moist, squeezing out any excess water.
Then drop about 1/2" layer across the bottom of your container.
Then take fresh cakes from the jars, cut them like a cucumber into slices about 2-3" thick, or for best results leave them whole.
Put these slices over the layer of vermiculite. Take some colonized substrate and gently crumble to fill in the places in between the the slices of substrate. This is so your entire layer of substrate is pretty much filled without gaps between the slices or the sides. "

This is an official Shroomery tek, so i would have to follow the whole cake method (crumbling to fill in the gaps of course), but every other tutorial i hear recommends crumbling an even layer? help me out guys :smile:

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Re: to Crumble or NOT to Crumble? that is the question ;)

[Re: PookztA]
#4663530 - 09/15/05 12:45 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

i thinkly lately people (mostly the pros) have been jsut cutting em in half and laying em on like that. thats how id do it.

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FooMan

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Re: to Crumble or NOT to Crumble? that is the question ;)

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#4663795 - 09/15/05 05:43 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

I think that people will debate this either way. I would think that crumbling would eliminate gaps better than whole pieces and result in more even colonization. A benefit to leaving the cakes whole is that the myc wouldn't need time to recover as much as crumbled cakes would.
I don't think doing it either way will make a dramatic difference. :2cents:

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Re: to Crumble or NOT to Crumble? that is the question ;)

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#4663889 - 09/15/05 07:32 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

FooManShroom said:

I think that people will debate this either way. I would think that crumbling would eliminate gaps better than whole pieces and result in more even colonization. A benefit to leaving the cakes whole is that the myc wouldn't need time to recover as much as crumbled cakes would.
I don't think doing it either way will make a dramatic difference. ::

Either way is ok but if you break them up you get a more even substrait layer.
I had a ...have 4th flush in progress.... casing BRF 60/40 coco/verm. I took two whole cakes and crumbles two around the whole cakes to give a even substraight layer gave me a good 3-4" of substraight layer. then bout 1/2" of casing mix on top....
I didn't put it back in the incubator i crumbled,cased and directly into the FC. I have heard its better to incubate for a few days after the crumble and before the casing but to each his own my ways working great

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Re: to Crumble or NOT to Crumble? that is the question ;)

[Re: PookztA]
#4663940 - 09/15/05 07:50 AM (20 years, 7 months ago)

first off...you really don't need the bottom layer of Verm.

If you crumble the substrate...it will take a few days to mend back together.

The upside to crumbling the whole cake is that you will have a more even substrate layer.

If you use whole cakes or slices of substrate and fill in the gaps with some crumbled substrate...it still has to mend itself.
But you might have gaps between the substrate.

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If I was going to case some cakes.
I'd shred the whole cakes using a cheese grater...using the large hole side.
I'd use quite a few cakes so it was worth my while.
Make the substrate even all the way across....cover it with a lid or some alum foil.
Let it mend itself for a couple days.
Then put on a casing layer after it has mended itself back together.

tc

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