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IT Has Begun!
    #4660826 - 09/14/05 05:26 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Found out a guy I know just started a science store around my area whooped e doo lol. I got some Litmus papers there with a range of 0-14. I just now started the first part of the DMt extraction from QT's extraction guide at  Erowid Hosts QT's Guide .

I measured out 30g of MH and put it into a large blender. I put it on highest setting and had a lil hassle, there was alot of stringy fiber? This fiber got intanegeled with the blades and it wouldnt belnd anymore so I had to work the tangels out  :crazy2:. It took about 7 minutes to powderize most of the bark ( I thought I could powderize the fiber but it never really got to that point). It is a fine powder... very fine. It has a nice pinkish color.. though whenever I lifted the cap to the blender I felt that the haze that left was wasting some of my yield since it was getting away i didnt mind it since this always happens it's just a feeling. I also couldnt scoop up all the VERY thin layer of dust like particles stuck on the sides of the blender all i could do was shake, beat, thomp on the blender then use my finger to scrape up the thin layer and try and scoop it off my hands which worked alright. I then put it into the freezer to freeze then I will thaw it. Since it's already a fine powder (except for fiber) should I go ahead and not powderize it even more after I thaw it? Also how many times should I freeze and thaw for MH?


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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #4660834 - 09/14/05 05:28 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

You don't need to freeze and thaw too many times, just enough to break down the cell walls a fair bit. Three seems to work pretty well.

I hope it all goes well!


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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Jabbawaya]
    #4660901 - 09/14/05 05:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry a friend just told me it's alright to leave the fiber as is and use in extraction. Sorry he beat you all to it :P no post record for joo lol.  :grin:


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On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

Hail Shroomery!




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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #4661606 - 09/14/05 08:37 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

30 grams of root bark is not enough. You'll only get a couple of doses for your effort. QT's extraction sucks. Find a better one.


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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Letto]
    #4663688 - 09/15/05 04:27 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Thats not very constructive... I have heard from this boards that thats an excellent extraction and why wouldnt it be? It says you'll only get 2-4 doses anyways I dont have that much bark to work with. Only 56g in total and it's inner-bark high quality. If you know this guide isnt as good could you please give me one you think is?


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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #4663716 - 09/15/05 05:11 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

QT's tek is good for understanding the basic procedure, i.e. what happens to the alkaloids. The major difference I've found between this and all the other teks is that QT says to perform the second and third extraction during the course of two weeks, when in fact all three extractions can be performed consecutively in 2-3 hours. Also, a stronger solvent than naptha, such as xylene, is recommended for defatting. And the concensus is that it's a little better to extract at pH 4 than pH 2, though I don't know how crucial that is.

This acacia tek is good, and you don't have to limit yourself to acacia necessarily.

This one is also good, though it's missing half its images since its poster got busted for blabbing about Mars.

I've tried a few extractions in the past, but I never got anything better than sticky, oily, gooey crystals--which were unmanageable. But I also cut a few corners, (and I don't know jack squat about chemistry). So good luck! There's a reason why this stuff is so rare.


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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Land_Crab]
    #4663789 - 09/15/05 07:20 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

AH Yes I like those two there I alrdy knew about the first though. I like the second one because It explains the equipement before the procedure starts which in my case is essential since I alrdy went shopping. I have more of the lab utensils in the 2nd tek you gave me. I know of a shop where I could go get pyrex lab bottles but I would rather use my 3 peach jars with caps. All I need to do now is scrape my pyrex baking dish of the salvia ressin and smke that and ill have everything.


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On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

Hail Shroomery!




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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #4663803 - 09/15/05 08:05 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Buchner Funnel and Pump -500ml - Marked D
Is that essential? because If so im not going to use those extractions and just try QT's im sick of running around then suddenyl being told QT's extraction sucks even though its the most common. Im not going to be wasting any more money on utensils even if it saddens me to use QT's after being told that.

Is there anyway to work around the Buchner Funnel and Pump -500ml-? Do I need it?


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I live to learn and learn to live.

forget w/e was here b4 it was meth gibberish.... :meff: :rail2: :rail: ....thats as old as my account...

On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

Hail Shroomery!




Edited by Savako (09/15/05 08:06 AM)


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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #4664840 - 09/15/05 02:13 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Alright I sat down and enjoyed 5 good long movies to calm my nerves. Then meditated and concluded that I would go out shopping "again" *sigh*, I going to use acacia tek guide. It seems like a fun extraction and hopefully a good one. Im using 50g (I might just use all 56g) of MH bark. I need to go shopping for a pyrex measuring jug (found at my friends store), pyrex baking dish x2, a colander (got one but its barrowed... gotta go get one), a tea strainer, a 2L jar, got my type four Ph strips, Washing Soda,Tartaric ACid (does xylene leave residue? Just wondering), Non Polar Wash Solvent : Toluene (where can I find this?), Ethyl Ether, Dropper Bottle.. and thats that.


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I live to learn and learn to live.

forget w/e was here b4 it was meth gibberish.... :meff: :rail2: :rail: ....thats as old as my account...

On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

Hail Shroomery!




Edited by Savako (09/15/05 02:15 PM)


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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Land_Crab]
    #4665225 - 09/15/05 03:24 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The images are missing because the user didn't feel comfortable having them on his server space. I don't know what you're talking about blabbing about Mars.


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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #4666009 - 09/15/05 06:11 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

By the way Savako,you know that the weight of the end product depends also on the acid used?

That means that as a freebase you will have the same if you use HCl as an acid or Tartaric acid.The tartarate salt will be heavier though than th hydrochloride!


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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Psiloman]
    #4666152 - 09/15/05 06:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Wait, I thought it was the freebase we are making here, not the salt. Right? So why should it matter what the weight of the salt is? Would dosage be different at all? I guess I'm a little confused by this, Psiloman.


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    #4666184 - 09/15/05 06:51 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Ah,my bad sorry! I got confused so i confused you as well...

So no worries Savako ,by basifying in the last step before non polar solvent addition will yield you the freebase!

I actually had another method in my mind,starting with a non polar solver heated in a waterbath and then going to washes with acidified water.

Sorry about the distraction!


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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Psiloman]
    #4670437 - 09/16/05 05:18 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

It's all good! :thumbup:
Good luck, Savako!


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    #4673019 - 09/17/05 05:28 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks!  :smile:


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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #4673097 - 09/17/05 06:55 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I was wondering if a 250ml Separatory Funnel would be ok to use in Acacia's extraction. Thats all I got so I hope it is.


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On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

Hail Shroomery!




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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #4674398 - 09/17/05 04:51 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Mar's Tek

Im going to use that. I heard it's the easiest and your more likely to obtain crystals.


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On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

Hail Shroomery!




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Re: IT Has Begun! [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #4702438 - 09/23/05 10:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Im in the middle of the NON-POLAR extraction. It's been sitting for 40-60minutes. It still has a dark color to the liquid and theres a layer on the bottom that is purple (looks like a grape or strawberry smoothy) and theres a thin layer of purple bubbles at the top of the mason jar. If anyone has anything to say plase do.


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I live to learn and learn to live.

forget w/e was here b4 it was meth gibberish.... :meff: :rail2: :rail: ....thats as old as my account...

On that note fart in public and grin. :publicfart:

Hail Shroomery!




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