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 MJF
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 Being ethical and using drugs... 
#4659291 - 09/14/05 01:04 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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How does one go about doing drugs while still obeying their morals? I mean I hate lying about it to certain people...but it seems it is the only choice. Relationships being destroyed and risk of going to jail just don't seem worth the risk of telling the truth.
What is the best way to show people that are totally against drug use that it is not always so bad?
A part of me thinks that if some part of my drug use is conflicting with my morals than I should no longer use at all. But I don't see this ever happening....and that sort of bothers me but it is also sort of comforting.
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 trendal
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: MJF]
#4659321 - 09/14/05 01:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If your drug use is conflicting with your morals, then you need to either change your morals or stop your drug use 
If your drug use is conficting with someone else's morals, then you need to either keep your drug use secret from them or try to convince them that it is OK (not easy).
Personally I just don't talk about it with the people who I think would object to my drug use. The topic just doesn't come up - so I have no need to bring it up. If anyone ever outright asks me about drug usage, I will tell them the truth (provided they aren't going to toss me in jail...) as I have no need to lie about it (not being ashamed of it).
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: MJF]
#4659332 - 09/14/05 01:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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I look at it this way. What's the potential for harm, to me or others? Access the risk anyway you choose. Then accept responsibility for what you are doing ( including potential consequences ), then drop the cultural morality about lying and make your own choice based on what you really feel.
It sounds to me like you know in your heart that if you told the truth to everyone about your psychedelic use then harm would come of it. My 2 cents. 
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: MJF]
#4659340 - 09/14/05 01:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Get off your high horse and waste your life away with a pipe and some pills. When you are in a situation where you feel the need to lie, do it and go on through the day knowing you're not going to jail and your image has not been tarnished.
OOORRRR, get off drugs and live a decent life.
How good can these relationships be if the people are not understanding of what you do?
The best way to show anti-drug people drugs aren't bad is a combination of scientific/medical studies that favor your side of the debate and showing them you are still a successful person while being a user.
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MJF
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: trendal]
#4659344 - 09/14/05 01:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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The only thing bothering me then is... telling the truth to my parents.
They do ask, and I always lie.
The reason I lie is I don't want to fight with them about it...I don't think I'll ever be able to convince them to accept my habits...and fighting seems a lot worse than lying.
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: daimyo]
#4659359 - 09/14/05 01:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks daimyo and icelander....
I feel better now.
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: MJF]
#4659378 - 09/14/05 01:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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If they can't accept you for who you are. If they don't even try to understand. Drop them from your life just like you would any other person who wasn't in your tribe. One of the biggest mistakes IMO that humans make is thinking that they need to be attached to their biological parents for life. It's a mistake that can wreck your life. Jesus pointed it out and so did Don Juan.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
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The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: Icelander]
#4659399 - 09/14/05 01:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good point. But maybe one day they will understand and accept me. I think because I'm 22 and haven't gotten my degree yet and am still living at home is the main reason they are so unaccepting of it.
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Icelander
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: MJF]
#4659425 - 09/14/05 01:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well of course. You need to prove yourself worthy of their love. Shape up young man or you'll get a bare bottom spanking. 
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: MJF]
#4659438 - 09/14/05 01:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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you could bring it up in less offensive version
'hey mom and dad i smoked a joint once'
then maybe talk about it with em
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: MJF]
#4659446 - 09/14/05 01:31 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sometimes is never quite enough
If you're flawless, then you'll win my love
Don't forget to win first place
Don't forget to keep that smile on your face
Be a good boy
Try a little harder
You've got to measure up
And make me prouder
How long before you screw it up
How many times do I have to tell you to hurry up
With everything I do for you
The least you can do is keep quiet
Be a good girl
You've gotta try a little harder
That simply wasn't good enough
To make us proud
I'll live through you
I'll make you what I never was
If you're the best, then maybe so am I
Compared to him compared to her
I'm doing this for your own damn good
You'll make up for what I blew
What's the problem...why are you crying
Be a good boy
Push a little farther now
That wasn't fast enough
To make us happy
We'll love you just the way you are
If you're perfect
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: Veritas]
#4659468 - 09/14/05 01:35 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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MJF
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: Veritas]
#4659479 - 09/14/05 01:37 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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parents and their expectations really suck. and seem counterproductive.
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: MJF]
#4659692 - 09/14/05 02:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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They don't "seem" counterproductive. They are! They are just repeating the same things that shut them up and shut them down. It takes great courage and committment to break that chain.
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: MJF]
#4659779 - 09/14/05 02:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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wait
don't discount your parents or anyone that is not open to what you like.
this type of thing (entheogens) is really in the category of self indulgence, like fancy food, drink or sex for enjoyment.
many people cannot talk about any of that or maybe they can just talk about bakery goodies and or wine.
be patient, know your limitations and theirs and compassionately manage what you must.
if it is not self indulgence, i.e. if you are a seeker and using entheogens to tear the veil off. then you really can't talk about it with people that are not clearly predisposed to that. this would include most users of drugs for self indulgence.
in the end you must take your own counsel and follow your own path, you can't trade in your parents and they won't be here forever so cherish as much as possible.
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: redgreenvines]
#4659837 - 09/14/05 02:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
you can't trade in your parents and they won't be here forever so cherish as much as possible.
This is exactally what I'm talking about. This blanket "blood is thicker than water" statement. You don't need to cherish anyone who doesn't respect you. This especially includes parents. Now you can unconditionally love and accept them the way they are. But you don't need to spend your time with them or have them in your life to do that. Don't be fooled. It's a huge trap. When my mother died it was no loss to me. I lost her a long time ago. You are a citizen of the Universe. Your job is to find your heart family out there. Now maybe your parents are that, but you decide based on evidence not on "blood".
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: redgreenvines]
#4659901 - 09/14/05 02:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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As children, we have little choice about interacting and having some sort of relationship with our parents. This power differential is often abused (in subtle or gross ways) by parents.
"As long as you're under my roof, you'll do it MY way!"
Once we become adults, the power shifts. Often we continue to believe we MUST have a relationship with our parents/family, and perpetuate the illusion of their power over us. If there is no real heart connection, then this relationship is all about control and obligation. (Yuck.)
I believe that, once we have come into our own power, we will insist that ANYONE we spend time with relate to us as a peer. This includes our parents. If they will not, then we will have to decide whether our heart connection to them is strong enough for us to persist in relating to them despite their disrespect.
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: MJF]
#4660237 - 09/14/05 03:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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Morals...?
Why do you need internal roadblocks to hinder your development? Morals are useless for me as an individual; I can see how they'd help the survival of society, but they help society to the detriment of many individuals.
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: Ravus]
#4660332 - 09/14/05 04:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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if not morals, what about disgust or shame
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Re: Being ethical and using drugs... [Re: MJF]
#4660862 - 09/14/05 05:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago) |
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"How does one go about doing drugs while still obeying their morals?"
well basically i respect other people, help when i can, act supportively, share what i have, give charitably, and maintain my personal integrity.
i just do it while im high
i never had a moral problem with lieing for the purposes of helping others or preserving my own life or freedom either
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