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OfflineLCid
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B+ strain so fast to colonize but not bottom
    #464646 - 11/20/01 02:51 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

my jars were almsot done i thought took 20 sum day to colinize msot of the jars now its takin a extra week to covera little of the bottom whats up with this low water overheating?

editing in more info..
1pint jars,B+.boiled,brf-verm inoculated like oct 15-25


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: LCid]
    #464675 - 11/20/01 03:24 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

(IMO) B+ suck ass


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: LCid]
    #464680 - 11/20/01 03:29 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

NOt much info in all of that....

How many holes do you have in your lids?

Have you tipped the jars upside down for air exchange?

How are you heating the jars?

Anyway, from what I hear, you should tip the jars upside down
so the mycelium will get fresh oxygen....


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: LCid]
    #464683 - 11/20/01 03:33 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

NOt much info in all of that....

How many holes do you have in your lids?

Have you tipped the jars upside down for air exchange?

How are you heating the jars?

Anyway, from what I hear, you should tip the jars upside down
so the mycelium will get fresh oxygen.... OOPS,.
Hope that didn't post... Tipping them over will help finish the bottom ( colonization )

I have 5 8 ounce jelly jars I bought at the swap meet, and
after innoculation I have been tipping them upside down
every 2 days, and after that 2 days, I tip them back upright,
so far, no contams, and the jars were innoculated on the 9th, and nearly full of mycelium.

As far as time goes, that depends on temperature, and a whole host of other factors to large to bring up here.

I would suggest you read more about the colonization process before you proceed much further.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: LCid]
    #464693 - 11/20/01 03:44 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

(IMO) B+ is the Best!!


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: LCid]
    #464751 - 11/20/01 05:00 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i agree with newbieshroomer. remove anything you covered the holes with and flip. the top being collonized realy protects the bottom a lot. i always try to flip smothly and quickly as to disturb the verm barrier as little as possable for as little time as possable.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Scourge]
    #464827 - 11/20/01 06:09 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

IMO B+ are alright...
Flip that jar - its all about co2 buildup


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #464978 - 11/20/01 08:20 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Good shrooms, unpredictible, pain in the ass to grow though..
I still havent found a casing mix that they 'really' like yet.. maybe they just dont like me.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Anonymous]
    #465042 - 11/20/01 09:19 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

wow man tell me about it shit They wont colanaize the bottom My jar have been sitting for like 5 days and They standing Still
It really pisses me off :)


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: MuShi_KiNg]
    #465089 - 11/20/01 10:20 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Take off the tape, loosen the lids, and flip those babies over. They're just craving some fresh air.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: phrozendata]
    #465108 - 11/20/01 10:54 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Yep it's all about the flip when the bottom won't colonize
even a little pat when flipped.. will colonize fast!


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Brugman]
    #465115 - 11/20/01 10:57 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

how would flipping the jars upside down give air exchange. maybe i'm missing something. could you explain?


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #465120 - 11/20/01 11:03 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

you're not just putting the jars upside down, you actually smack the jar (upside down)onto a book or a newspaper or something, which in turn separates the cake from what was the bottom of the jar. now you can see about a half inch of space between what was the bottom of the jar and the cake...

this is hard to explain... anyone have a picture?


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Olgualion]
    #465287 - 11/21/01 02:36 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

thx everyone....

but hey am i spose to leave them upsidedown?


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: LCid]
    #465341 - 11/21/01 05:34 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

its all co2 buildup - flip 'em or better still - take the tape off and cover the holes with an alcohol swab to act as a quasi filter...


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: LCid]
    #465391 - 11/21/01 07:54 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, leave em upside down until they re 100%.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Olgualion]
    #465989 - 11/21/01 08:03 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

after you make that half inch of space to you put the jar standing right side up?


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #465991 - 11/21/01 08:11 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

upside down,so the cake does not slide back to the bottom.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: TeRzMaStA]
    #466007 - 11/21/01 08:36 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

The C02 build up goes away after you flip em because......

when the jar is colonizing normally, the mycelium gives off C02 as waiste. C02 being heavier than normal air, sinks and stays in the bottom of the jar. Now when you flip it, this C02 that has built up inside the jar is alowed to seep out the holes in the lid, and fresh air brought in to replace it. does that make sence?? ya it do buckeroo


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: ]
    #466037 - 11/21/01 09:07 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

hey boxtop, what would happen if the cake slid back to the bottom? would it then not work? would that eliminate the whole point of flipping it to begin with? would the co2 be sucked back into the jar? please educate the shroomery.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Anonymous]
    #466040 - 11/21/01 09:12 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I have found,the uncolonized substrate seems to fill in faster with a pocket of air at the bottom.Just my findings however.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: ]
    #466050 - 11/21/01 09:21 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Really? I have always found that if you 'leave' the jar flipped over, the mycelium starts to expand OUTWARD instead of towards the center where it should be going....causing it to take longer (if left flipped over)

just my findings however.

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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Anonymous]
    #466055 - 11/21/01 09:26 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Read my post. I said to leave the jar UPSIDE-DOWN.tHE AIR POCKET WILL BE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE JAR,BUT WILL BE FACING UP. I am not interested in going back and forth with you.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: ]
    #466071 - 11/21/01 09:43 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Why are you getting defensive, I was just trying to discuss something you obviously know a lot about.... now if you READ MY POST AGAIN you will see that what I am saying is to FLIP/SLAP the jar, then FLIP IT BACK, right-side-up; you know, so it SLIDES BACK DOWN to the bottom, with fresh air. This way, the mycelium WILL continue to grow INWARD towards the CENTER, and NOT UPWARD towards the AIR-POCKET which will add at least another 3 days to the wait.

Do you dissagree? Boxtop.. Are you still there?


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Anonymous]
    #466111 - 11/21/01 10:34 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i found that having a large air pocket around the uncolonized substrate speeds things up a lot more than simply doing a gas exchange and leaving it back in the bottom with minimal air.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Eightball]
    #466117 - 11/21/01 10:40 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Eightball, have you tried it both ways? Do a comparison test next time you get a chance.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Anonymous]
    #466121 - 11/21/01 10:48 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

I have tried both ways. I leave air space,my jars fully colonize in 15-20 days,and are VERY white and fluffy.That's good enough for me.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: ]
    #466141 - 11/21/01 11:01 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Here is a link to the photo gallery,where you can see one of my jars.Go to phase 2 photos of substrate.www.gimptroll.com/~hydrapod/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi


Edited by boxtop703 (11/21/01 11:21 PM)


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: ]
    #466384 - 11/22/01 04:27 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

id just like to say THX fliped um 24-36 hour ago and theres more growth in thoes hours then in the last 1-2 weeks


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: ]
    #466421 - 11/22/01 05:36 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

wank wank! Yet again i think you are talking crap! Why do you instantly jump at the chance to get nasty with someone just because they are questioning your limited experience...Im sure you are talking about the Ko samui spore race and i got that to colonise in just under 12 days 300ml with no 'air pocket' - flip em either way it doesnt make a difference as long as the co2 gets moved around...Better still work out a way to give them air exchange such as a filter...it speeds things up dramatically...


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: ]
    #466426 - 11/22/01 05:50 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

yeah "box top" your mean lots of the time. what's up with that? are you jokeing? trying to be funny? or are you just a prick?


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #466435 - 11/22/01 06:10 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Umm,actually BM, if you go look at the gallery,you will see I am referring to the Ecuador strain.But there are also pictures of my k.s and b+ as well.www.gimptroll.com/~hydrapod/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi Go to phase two photos.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #466436 - 11/22/01 06:14 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: ]
    #466438 - 11/22/01 06:16 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Why would i go to a site promoting a plastic bucket?? Im sure that you are fluent enough in internet use to be able to post pictures of your mushroom experience - i just dont see why you have to some out with nasties like 'in my experience thais are always fat arsed' - 'in my experience you get more pins in light' - 'in my experience an air pocket after flipping (some how) effects colonisation' the fact is your talking shit and we all know it - you could have atleast read a few posts from other people so you could give us some second hand knowledge...Atleast upgrade from BRF...:-)


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #466439 - 11/22/01 06:18 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Har har, look at me i am BoxTop 703. I have no penis and i like to kiss my mom on the butt.


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #466441 - 11/22/01 06:22 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

And i can check your IP address - boxtop 703=zantac


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #466446 - 11/22/01 06:26 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

huh?


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #466449 - 11/22/01 06:34 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Im naughty!!


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #466452 - 11/22/01 06:37 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

damn hackers, with their high-tech "jibber-jabber"


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #466486 - 11/22/01 07:26 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

hey, can you guys see my signature pics?? I checked them from a different ip and they didnt work...:-(


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Re: B+ strain so fgast to colonize but not bottom [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #466522 - 11/22/01 08:34 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

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