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Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production.
    #4646148 - 09/11/05 03:35 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

This was posted by Hermes br in another thread:

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2. Low levels of ammonium succinate, which will give poor yelds of psilocybin






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Those pages are from a study done apparently in the 60's. It also says "the absence of glucose, which will prevent the production of psilocybin."


If a method of growing psilocybian mushrooms without producing any scheduled substances could be developed, it would make it alot easier to produce spores without breaking the law.

This is a big factor affecting the price and availability of spores.

Anybody got any suggestions as to how we might could go about growing Psilocybes, Panaeoli, etc... completely, or at least nearly devoid of illegal substances?


It could be fairly revolutionary.


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4646206 - 09/11/05 03:49 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: shirley knott]
    #4646349 - 09/11/05 04:24 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Spores could likly not be healthy. Like if you cut something out of your diet to stop production of something in your body, could affect your offspring, if it doesnt affect ability to produce offspring (spores). I dunno, just a thought.


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4649155 - 09/12/05 04:29 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Baby_Hitler said:
"the absence of glucose, which will prevent the production of psilocybin."




Just making sure here, he is saying that you need glucose for psilocybin production right?
The statement can sort of be read 2 ways, if the bit after the comma was in brackets it would mean glucose will stop production.

I have wondered about additional sugars in substrates, most advise against it as it opens the door to contams. But I have read sutdies on sclerotia saying it did best on a 4% malt agar plate. Your sclerotia grows are not open to contams like a normal grow so additional sugar is not really a problem.

I think there will always be a trace in the mushrooms so it will still be illegal. Even if there was not trace it may be illegal to grow the species by name in your area


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4649164 - 09/12/05 04:40 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

What if the offspring from the spores are not active because of this?


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: IntelligentMind]
    #4649229 - 09/12/05 06:32 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Lamark?

No he died long time ago and his theories with him :laugh:

"Phenotypes of Somatic Cells acquired after birth are not transfered to offspring,UNLESS mutation has occured in the germ cells line"


If after your birth i cut both of you hands and i do the same to your to-be-wife,appart from having trouble during intercourse ,your children will be born WITH hands!

Thats why biology 101 ,genetics 101 ,maths 101 and chemistry 101 should be mantatory taught (i guess they are but who pays attention?)


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: Psiloman]
    #4649258 - 09/12/05 07:30 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The cutting off of hands is more like cutting a section out of a growing shroom just about to drop spores.

A better anaology would be 2 newborn male twins being brought up being, one deprived of vitamins vital for healthy growth throughout his entire life, now will this childs sperm (spores) be as healthy and produce as healthy a baby as the male being nurtured properly. Suppose they get 2 twin females pregnant.


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: Psiloman]
    #4649571 - 09/12/05 11:53 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Psiloman said:
Lamark?

No he died long time ago and his theories with him :laugh:

"Phenotypes of Somatic Cells acquired after birth are not transfered to offspring,UNLESS mutation has occured in the germ cells line"


If after your birth i cut both of you hands and i do the same to your to-be-wife,appart from having trouble during intercourse ,your children will be born WITH hands!

Thats why biology 101 ,genetics 101 ,maths 101 and chemistry 101 should be mantatory taught (i guess they are but who pays attention?)




Thats not whats happening, from the germination of the parents, they are being deprived of something they need to produce something. Would this cause a mutation in the genes, if the mushrooms never produce what they normally always do, and then giving their offspring the same thing. Even if 1% of the offspring are mutated and carry the trait, it would increase over time. I dont really know if it would happen, but your analogy is a bit off.


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4649812 - 09/12/05 01:04 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Spores may not be healthy, fruitbody production may be weak or nonexistant, but if any viable spores were produced, they would have the same potency as others of the same species.


The study is saying that absence of glucose results in non-production of psilocybin.

I imagine the glucose can come from just about any complex carbohydrate that contains glucose, including cellulose.

A totally glucose free substrate would be difficult to engineer.


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4651229 - 09/12/05 06:47 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

This would be interesting in a legal scenario.


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: World Spirit]
    #4651274 - 09/12/05 06:58 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I've heard of people getting raided because somebody saw thier legal edible mushroom grow. I can't remember where I read about that.

If the mushrooms were tested and found not to contain any scheduled substances, the case would probably be dropped.

You would have two choice.; You could pretend that they are some other species, or an "unknown" species, or you could tell them what you were doing.


I guess a third way would be to not tell them anything. Then just let the tests speak for themselves.


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4654341 - 09/13/05 12:12 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Pure protein or amino acids would be a suitable substrate(together with trace element soulution etc.) since amino acids can be used by fungi as an energie source

This "report " does focus on a quik test for psylocibin the info about glucose free and ammon succinate might be a start but right now they are nothing more but a hint...


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: Pinx]
    #4674856 - 09/17/05 07:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

lol cops kick in my fuckin door for sum edibles im sueing the FUCK outta them =)


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: PSiFr33k]
    #4683354 - 09/19/05 08:50 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

the absense of glucose also the over abundance of glucose will affect psylocibin production, that is a known fact

some of the works cited as reference I have in my library (I havent read all of them by any means) but the work cited by that statement (no glucose = no psylocibin) (reference #10 ) Tyler & Catalfomo deals with submereged cultures and I dont belive that that conclusion can be reached by ponderence of the data presented in that study in fact I beleive that thier limit of detection was rather high in reference to thier reported findings (the Beckman spectrometer of circa 1960 was not the cats ass of lab equipment and very far from todays standards)
the year that paper was published was 1964 we've learned a lot since then

yes psylocibin levels are reduced, on average, but no way are they eliminated

we still really dont understand why the mushroom produces psylocibin to begin with


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: noxy]
    #4784371 - 10/10/05 09:19 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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we still really dont understand why the mushroom produces psylocibin to begin with





It's a simple question of fungus/human symbiosis. It produces it so we will cultivate and propagate it.  :thumbup:


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Re: Growing Psilocybian species legally by inhibiting psilocybin production. [Re: WormholeSurfer]
    #4784520 - 10/10/05 09:46 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

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noxy said:
we still really dont understand why the mushroom produces psylocibin to begin with





It's a simple question of fungus/human symbiosis. It produces it so we will cultivate and propagate it.  :thumbup:




its a symbiotic relationship  :mushroom2:


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