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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
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I love the Shroomery, I get so much inspiration.


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"It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief." -- Sri Yukteswar

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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
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delusion, mind me askin you to put all your posts/mod's of posts in one, rather than having 4 in a row pls?

and i love the shroomery as well


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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: TheGus]
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no problem...  :crazy:


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"It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief." -- Sri Yukteswar

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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
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I'm not talking about Jesus Christ but Christ.

Alright, now I'm even more confused.

You're apparently using a different definition of Christ than most of the world uses and also different from the one in the Bible, and you didn't answer my question at all.

So now, three questions: the original and two new ones:

1. What is the definition of Christ, exactly.

2. What about those poor ignorant people who never heard of Christ. Do they go to heaven or not?

3. What if they believe in the Great Green Arkelseizure (their God who appears in the form of a giant nose), and not in Christ (because they never heard of him).

I'm not making fun of you; these are serious questions.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: Diploid]
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1. The reflection of God the Father (Absolute, the Holy Trinity as One) in manifestation. The Son or Christ is conceived by the Holy Mother or Holy Ghost. The Holy Ghost is the creative force manifesting in Creation.

2. I am no one to say who goes to heaven or whatever you understand by it. It is said that the Kingdom of God is within, why look any further? Would this make it inaccessible to those who haven't heard of the "concept" of Christ? No, because Christ is not a concept.

3. I think it would be illusory. God the Father is beyond creation, he is unmanifested. Maybe large quantities of mush was consumed and now there is a collective psychosis :-P


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"It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief." -- Sri Yukteswar

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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
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It is said that the Kingdom of God is within, why look any further?

Because the Bible is very clear when it says that whosoever does not believe in Christ cannot enter Heaven. Your statement contradicts this.

How do I decide which to believe, you or the Bible?

I think it would be illusory.

So you think your God concept is correct, and the Amazon tribe's God concept is illusory. The Amazonians think the reverse. (Tangent: this sounds remarkably like Islamic fundamentalists talking, only with different details.)

How am I to decide which path to follow? Both of you offer the same thing: contradicting statements unsupported by anything but your respective faiths.

I'm stuck, help me out.  :confused:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: Diploid]
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When in doubt, follow the majority.


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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: Ravus]
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:rotfl:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:

Because the Bible is very clear when it says that whosoever does not believe in Christ cannot enter Heaven. Your statement contradicts this.

It does? Care to elaborate? Believing in Christ does not mean in a theoretical way, but in practice. Believing is meant as communing, communion with Christ. I don't see how this contradicts if not the way you understand it.

How do I decide which to believe, you or the Bible?

I never said to be the way or anything like that :shocked:. It is not me or the bible. Maybe you are getting mixed messages.

So you think your God concept is correct, and the Amazon tribe's God concept is illusory. The Amazonians think the reverse. (Tangent: this sounds remarkably like Islamic fundamentalists talking, only with different details.)

Where are you going with this? Even my concept of God is illusory. I don't believe God to be a concept.

And I really love the way you put it...a big Nose you know...is this the big nose which breaths life into creation? Sounds very interesting after all...




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"It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief." -- Sri Yukteswar

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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
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Diploid, shouldn't you start a different thread for all those questions?

But to give you my opinion on them...

"Because the Bible is very clear when it says that whosoever does not believe in Christ cannot enter Heaven. Your statement contradicts this. How do I decide which to believe, you or the Bible?"

Trust in your own experiance. How can you make a decision on what to believe? It either contradicts your own experiance/reason/faith- and you don't believe it- or it fits in with your experiance/reason/faith, and you do believe it. The truth of god is revealed to all those who seek it.

You must also consider (as we ALL know here at S&P), that the bible has been interpreted, edited, manipulated, and changed over the past 2000 years.

Did Jesus mean that he was the sole manifestation of God (Christ) on earth and that he must be worshipped by us if we are to enter into the kingdom of god?

Or did he mean that he was only a single manifestation of God (Christ) and that if we let ourselves become filled with the spirit of Christ (Become manifestations of our godly nature) as he did, then and ONLY THEN can we enter the kingdom of heaven?

Do not take things as absolutes. For even fallacies have truth in them, and vice versa.


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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: Diploid]
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Christ is a frame of mind. Try researching Sacred Geometry. All your questions could be answered by a little footwork.

I smell a rigid belief system. I smell a rigid control of words and their exact (only) meanings. I smell black and white and no in between.


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No ONE wants to know the ultimate TRUTH, as soon as YOU find IT out, YOU want to forget IT.

You are everything's way of feeling itself.

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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: mecreateme]
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Christ is a frame of mind.


I smell bullshit.  :wink: (We are talking about our noses now, aren't we?)

Can you explain Sacred Geometry more? To me, it seems to just be stable geometry that the universe may fall into, but it's no more "sacred" than any other geometry.

And what is sacred? How can something actually be sacred in a universe like this?


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So long as you are praised think only that you are not yet on your own path but on that of another.

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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: dr0mni]
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Trust in your own experiance.

So, if everyone can make up whatever they want and call it truth, even when it contradicts itself and also the teachings of others, what's the point?

The truth of god is revealed to all those who seek it.

Well, I've sought it and found nothing but self-deception and wishful thinking. What else can I tell ya...


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: How could atoms have not been designed? [Re: mecreateme]
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Try researching Sacred Geometry.

Why do you presume I haven't?

Folk math is quaint, sometimes even interesting, but nothing more, and it certainly does nothing to address the questions I've been asking in this thread. :syringe:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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