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OfflineThe_Red_Crayon
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Demons
    #4641120 - 09/10/05 09:44 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Do you believe they exist in a spiritual or metaphysical way. What i mean is have you ever met people who just you get a bad feeling from them that this person almost has a bad auora about them, but i mean everyone can have a demon that lives inside them (not literally speaking) and it feeds off your weakness and causes you to do irrational things that you will later regret, but some people are literally corrupted from absolute greed, especially when alcohol and greed comes into play.

Some people ive met were literally born evil and its simpleminded to say that but i knew this person who was a terrible kid in school
who would threated people with knives, he ended up killing somebody in 9th grade and now is in prison for life. What causes people to think so irrationally. Could it be from parents, or a chemical imbalance in the brain, society, too much television.

Also this problem seems especially prevalent in the united states.Could it be from sexual repression? Sexual repression in society has tend to result in higher sexual violence in women (this is evident in the mideast where women are forced to have clitorodectomies, killed,beaten and raped. Muslim men are not supposed to even look at another mans life.) Even in Christian society a rule is not to covet another mans wife, But more christians are being divorced than ever before. Also repression can lead to more serial killers how many serial killers could you name that came from repressive christian or strict ex-military parents.


It makes you wonder.


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Re: Demons [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #4641188 - 09/10/05 10:33 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I think theres just as much sick fucks in the Eastern World as there are here or anywhere else. We just hear about it more here because we live here and because we have a media that revolves around stories like that. I think its just a part of human nature that some people can't deal with.


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That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
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Re: Demons [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #4641206 - 09/10/05 10:40 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Demons are a mental contruct. They are part of our psyche. Any aspect of self if indulged too much will assume a life of it's own even to the point of consuming the individuals personality ar causing them to engage in negative behaviors that give it energy. They are mental, but no less real. This is my take on fetishes, obsessions and mental illnesses.


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Re: Demons [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #4641241 - 09/10/05 10:53 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

The_Red_Crayon said:
Do you believe they exist in a spiritual or metaphysical way. What i mean is have you ever met people who just you get a bad feeling from them that this person almost has a bad auora about them, but i mean everyone can have a demon that lives inside them (not literally speaking) and it feeds off your weakness and causes you to do irrational things that you will later regret, but some people are literally corrupted from absolute greed, especially when alcohol and greed comes into play.

Some people ive met were literally born evil and its simpleminded to say that but i knew this person who was a terrible kid in school
who would threated people with knives, he ended up killing somebody in 9th grade and now is in prison for life. What causes people to think so irrationally. Could it be from parents, or a chemical imbalance in the brain, society, too much television.

Also this problem seems especially prevalent in the united states.Could it be from sexual repression? Sexual repression in society has tend to result in higher sexual violence in women (this is evident in the mideast where women are forced to have clitorodectomies, killed,beaten and raped. Muslim men are not supposed to even look at another mans life.) Even in Christian society a rule is not to covet another mans wife, But more christians are being divorced than ever before. Also repression can lead to more serial killers how many serial killers could you name that came from repressive christian or strict ex-military parents.


It makes you wonder.




It is difficult to figure out what is actually a christian demon.
If you look at how Jesus delt with them, they could be many things.
For example there was a woman I think that had some kind of seizures, sort of like epilepsy. It is quite possible that a demon was another word for neurological or psychological illness, just as the word sin could mean a genetic defect


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Re: Demons [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4641257 - 09/10/05 10:58 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Demons are a mental contruct. They are part of our psyche. Any aspect of self if indulged too much will assume a life of it's own even to the point of consuming the individuals personality ar causing them to engage in negative behaviors that give it energy. They are mental, but no less real. This is my take on fetishes, obsessions and mental illnesses.




I agree.


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Re: Demons [Re: Icelander]
    #4641285 - 09/10/05 11:10 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

i second that.


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"Fear is the great barrier to human growth." ~ Dr. Robert Monroe



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Re: Demons [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4641503 - 09/10/05 12:12 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Demons are a mental contruct. They are part of our psyche. Any aspect of self if indulged too much will assume a life of it's own even to the point of consuming the individuals personality ar causing them to engage in negative behaviors that give it energy. They are mental, but no less real. This is my take on fetishes, obsessions and mental illnesses.




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Re: Demons [Re: Delusion_of_Self]
    #4652164 - 09/12/05 10:29 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

if demons are a mental construct, what does the devil represent? The shadow self? What is the shadow self?

I don't like it when I see the devil, but I would prefer to believe that he is a part of me.


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Re: Demons [Re: leery11]
    #4654327 - 09/13/05 12:03 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

He is the male side of you. He is the "denial" aspect of the universal polarity. Try checking out Sacred Geometry.


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Re: Demons [Re: mecreateme]
    #4654623 - 09/13/05 01:28 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

(Devil)
He is the male side of you.
can't subscribe to that. Many cultures associate a strong female aspect to it...
It gets interesting, when you split him into Lucifer and Satan... Perhaps, that gets closer to male and female...

So then, where to locate him/her inside you ? Perhaps, the closest you get is, when looking at your ego itself.


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Re: Demons [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4654808 - 09/13/05 02:08 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with Huehuecotl quite a bit too, but think it is an oversimplification as well, especially the key into mental illness.

about being evil at birth - nahh, not likely at all, but
we do seem to start as complete beings right away with our own unique ways of expressing - with our own instinctual levels of tolerance to pain and hunger for satisfaction.

the demons are more from a chimeric way of viewing (i.e. dreamlike overlays and complexed with emotional baggage) and also as a useful way of explaining what goes on. Symbolically exorcising demons is useful too once a person or group actually agree on what "horrors" they are confronting which may have been collected into this demon metaphor for expulsion.


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