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Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you!
    #4641113 - 09/10/05 07:40 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Here in holland we've been able to buy weed and hash in "coffeeshops" for 25 years. We have been able to legally buy Shrooms in shops for 12.5 years. If you know your sources..

1/8oz of decent Hydro = $20
1/8oz of Cubie shrooms = $15

Legally! What do you think what would happen? I will tell you.

Holland has less shroomers and pot users than the USA or the UK, measured per 1.000 citizens of any age group

So there wont be massive abuse. Umm, at first, perhaps. But many use it because of its illegal *naughty* status. Once weed is common, folks won't make such a big deal about it.

Mushrooms have their own crowd, it will never be something for the masses.

What do you think would happen if weed and shrooms werer legalized in YOUR country?


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4641115 - 09/10/05 07:42 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
What do you think would happen if weed and shrooms werer legalized in YOUR country?




Then i'd never get bored at the weekends  :smirk:


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: mikeyboy]
    #4641147 - 09/10/05 08:00 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

in the us...
one senerio
we'd go wild with it... i think at first, there'd be an out break of public drug use and all kinds of mayhem. just look at alcohol for instance, in other countries, the legal age of alcohol is 16. why? because it a social thing, for the most part, they are more responsible with it. us americans, like everything else, gotta take it to the extreme and go out and drive cars and do other stupid things under the influence. not that i'm saying that other people from different countries dun go stupid with shit, we just love to take ti to the next level. i agree with the mushrooms being only for a certian crowd, but i think if they were more redily accessable, more people would do them. a LOT of drug dealers would be either very pissed off that they'd be loosing business, or get into it legally and fuckin set up franchises...and eventually us cazy ass americans will do enough unsafe shit to get illegalized again

another senerio
"soft drugs" become legal... violence and crime rate astonishingly drop, there are more jobs opened up. the stuff is taxed and used to benefit schools, roads, hospitals, ect. we spread knowledge instead of propaganda and the world will begin to look a little bit brighter

i like the latter, but i think the former would actually go down


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: theBRINK]
    #4641363 - 09/10/05 09:36 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'd stay stoned probably most of the time and never drive my car again...And for mushrooms...well, that won't matter much anymore soon. My babies will be for personal use and probably never leave the house, so that doesn't matter. I think honestly, the U.S. would divide if drugs were made legal. You'd have the people who use and/or those who are okay with it on one side, and all the crazy people who wouldn't believe they've been lied to all their life would go to the opposite side and ban those who do from entering their side.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: demiu5]
    #4641418 - 09/10/05 09:49 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Civil war YEAH!!!
I have no idea what would happen and neither does anyone else. With a country that size as unstable as it already is, anything could go wrong.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4641575 - 09/10/05 10:31 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

if cannabis was legalized id get my own hydroponic system or just grow it, whatever i find resluts in better weed. cause i just wouldnt completly trust a commercially grown cannabis. i woudnt trust the fertilizers they used either. and also i have a semi related question? is the solution u use in a hydro system fertilizer, like toxicy and like chemicaly and/or worse for u to smoke, or is it not anyworse than just plain old dirt grown?


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: ph30n1x]
    #4641597 - 09/10/05 10:38 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

"Holland has less shroomers and pot users than the USA or the UK, measured per 1.000 citizens of any age group"

Maybe because Holland is a lot smaller?


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Innominate]
    #4641646 - 09/10/05 10:56 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

No.. you didn't read it right :laugh:

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measured per 1.000 citizens of any age group




Let me show you how Holland owns the US where it comes to pot use, heroin abuse and crime statistics

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Social Indicator   Comparison Year    USA    Netherlands 
Lifetime prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+) 2001 36.9%  17.0%
Past month prevalence of marijuana use (ages 12+) 2001 5.4%  3.0%
Lifetime prevalence of heroin use (ages 12+) 2001 1.4%  0.4%
Incarceration Rate per 100,000 population 2002 701  100
Per capita spending on criminal justice system (in Euros) 1998 ?379 ?223
Homicide rate per 100,000 population Average 1999-2001 5.56  1.51

Source:  drugwarfacts.org

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So if the DEA tries to convince you Holland's a rats nest.. You've got three and a half times the murder despite seven times more prisoners, three and a half times more heroin use and ou8r legal pot? Hey if you look at people who actually smoked it in their life Hollsand has only half the percentage!

Legalize!


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4641659 - 09/10/05 11:00 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I've always said The Netherlands and Scandanavia are very progressive areas that I would love to live in.

For some reason though, I remember people saying that The Netherlands have a high crime rate. I see that there aren't many homicides, but what about smaller crimes such as rapes and thefts?


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: dblaney]
    #4641678 - 09/10/05 11:06 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

isn't bike theft one of the top crimes in Holland? I remember hearing something to that extent.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: dblaney]
    #4641686 - 09/10/05 11:08 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Ever since I was born I wanted to goto Holland or Amsterdam ;( never got the chance to ..... yet.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #4651709 - 09/12/05 06:23 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Well, I don't know what would happen if they were legalized, other than I would jump for joy and try and get everyone that I can high so they can see beyond their normal reality and every day lives for a little while. Hopefully I could turn them on to spirituality and away from alcohol and hum-drum social activities.

I'd also probably go give each and every conservative a hug and stop hating America.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: leery11]
    #4651751 - 09/12/05 06:33 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'd be glad I could finaly get my hands on hash... (there's a huge weed drought where I am, so bud's hard enough to find, let alone hash...)


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: StickyWater]
    #4651854 - 09/12/05 06:58 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

do you think if they were legalized they'd be for 18 year olds or 21 year olds?

I'd really like to go to a hash bar.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: leery11]
    #4651870 - 09/12/05 07:02 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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leery11 said:
do you think if they were legalized they'd be for 18 year olds or 21 year olds?

I'd really like to go to a hash bar.




Probably 21 since both substances are mind-altering - much like alcohol. Cigs are just dangerous and addicting.. but wont put you in an unsafe situation - hence 18.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: SilkSteel]
    #4651912 - 09/12/05 07:16 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

i'm not sure if alaska even has a legal age:
"Possession of less than 25 plants is protected under the Alaska Constitution?s right to privacy (See Ravin v. Alaska). "

as long as you own property. "Less than 4 oz in your residence or home no penalty N/A N/A"

they need to sell it on a local level and have bars though.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: leery11]
    #4652574 - 09/12/05 09:39 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

i have always been an advocate for doing away with the drug schedule in the U.S. for years, VOTE NADER!, just pot and shrooomies, hmmm... im sure it would just be total anarchy, everybody buying twinkies by the grose, little debbie would become a major corporate power, GM would come out with new "tie dye" paint, and of course velour interior option, no seriously though, i cant se anything but positive effects of legalizing all drugs, any conflicting viewpoints??? lets go, id love to explain myself!


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: incubaby_421]
    #4652746 - 09/12/05 10:08 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

put it this way, they legalize pot, all the stubborn people who are dead against it will seperate themselves from those who do it which would,as mentioned divide the U.S. And will thus ultimately result in the U.S. dividing into 2 seperate countries, eventualy resulting in a massive civil war between the stubborn people and the pot heads, arm yourself with hash bricks and prepare for he innevitable...

Clearly I overdid that a bit, what can I say, I like outdoor bud  :bongload:


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: StickyWater]
    #4653156 - 09/12/05 10:55 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

fuck i wish it'd happen. maybe then we'd calm down a bit and crime rate would drop a tad because ppl wouldn't have to steal to get a high on crack anymore. as far as being more dangerous, i don't think we'd take it to any more extremes than we already do... if you're a user, you'll find a way to get it, legal or not. and to the guy that said there'd be more car accidents, get real. we have more automobile related deaths than anyone else because we have more fuckin automobiles than anyone else! of course are crash statistics are gonna be higher! lol


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: evolmachine]
    #4653409 - 09/12/05 11:33 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

realistically, many people who hear all this hearsay about how easy it is to drive stoned, upon first getting stoned, may take to the wheel without the necessary skills and practice it takes to drive somewhat safely. Then again maybe not, the first time I got high I couldn't even hardly walk or plug in my VCR.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: leery11]
    #4653488 - 09/12/05 11:52 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I just have one question

To the guy who mentioned RAPE as a small crime...
what's that about?


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4653936 - 09/13/05 05:47 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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What do you think would happen if weed and shrooms werer legalized in YOUR country?




Im MY country? In Greece? Heh...Thats gonna be funny!

Some background at my country : When Holland and America after the world wars were left to prosper Greece was struggling with balkan wars civil wars etc etc. Before that we were for 400 years under Turkish occupation trying just to survive than "grow" as a nation.

Coming to today's culture: Religion (Greek Orthodox) after all it went through it became quite strict. They either like someting or not,If they like you you are OK if not you are a Satanist.For example,wiccan seeker, in my country they think wiccans or any sort of ritual of that kind of belief system is Satanic.Recently some tourists were hassled for having a ceremony down in Crete,they were arrested for having an Athame (a ritual dagger) on the pretence of having weapons (not allowed in Greece) and the news presented the whole issue with the title "Satan's Worsipers in Crete"

On Drug use : Let me put it blundly. Ripper,yes, "our" ripper would be a high class drug user in Greece,looked upon by junkies (alo of people here with heroin problem). The average shroomerite would be a "Scientist" amongst "cavemen" (Greek Users) since he knows the active substances of what he takes and can (mis)spell their names when needed.Extra "scientist" points because he knows erowid which is unheard of in Greece...Those people in your "red list" (potentially harmfull to themselves) would be kings amongst Greek Drug users...


So with the above in mind ,after a legalisation :

a)Weed smokers would continue to smoke weed 24/7 forgeting all their decriminalisation rammbles (which they parrot now ,reading them and memorising them as defence to their use) since they have what they asked for.Weed.24/7.Strong strains

b)Mushrooms would cause havoc! Drug users would do them and then say "it bruned me ,it destroyed my life" because they would take it and drive,take it and do all kinds of stupid things (they still believe that LSD "burns" you,ask them how and they repeat that it just burns you). Lots of media attention lots of horror stories and for news the reporters would pick people to speak of mushrooms dangerous effects,people that cant form a sentence,dont know how to speak and look a mess (a clubber after 3 days of Extacy and mushrooms,no sleep and poor linguistic skills).There would also be a fair share of "i saw devil,demons" since religion goes so strong here and everything we dont like must be demonic right?

c)The church would foam and call them satanic and take actions against them.Period.

d)Im quite sure that the situation would become so tragic and funny ,that the goverment would have to ban them again.

If you think that Erowid has some scary reports from dangerous clueless people,just keep in mind they AT LEAST KNOW EROWID,they know that source of information.People in Greece dont...One is considered a scientist amongst his peers here if he reviews once Erowid to search about "new highs" (No,not the effects ,or the chemistry,just the names and where to acquire them!)


Sorry for giving such an image for my country,but sometimes when i look at the crowds i say "enough is enough".They average drug user simply doesnt give you a single reason to look at him as a sentient,logical being.On the contrary ,it seems as if they were taken out of a Jackass episode!


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Psiloman]
    #4654008 - 09/13/05 07:34 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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it seems as if they were taken out of a Jackass episode!




*Johnny Knoxville shoves a lit cigarette between his ass-cheeks and starts yee-hawwing how much he loves smoking teh crack :rolleyes:*

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Sorry for giving such an image for my country




Don't be ashamed: it's a pretty shitty country indeed :hug:


:rotfl:
Seriously, I know we Shroomerites are 1337 and thats the worrying thing of it. The average drug user in no matter which country indeed knows direly little and has little care for his safety. We are making a difference, but the ones that most need the help are offline in more ways than internet access can solve.

Incidentally I see Marijuana to become troublesome much sooner than shrooms. If "fun" means cramming yourself full of drugs then most drugusers will know shrooms are no "fun" pretty fast. With weed however you can let your life go up in smoke and still come back for more.

I smoked a CAR in some 12 years of pot use (but no regrets!)

It's a SOFT drug but it can lead to HARD use in some, as picture we see pretty clearly in Holland.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4654121 - 09/13/05 08:44 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

itll only make me sad to think about it
....because i know its not gonna happen in the USA


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4654149 - 09/13/05 08:58 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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What do you think would happen if weed and shrooms werer legalized in YOUR country?




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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4654355 - 09/13/05 10:19 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Let's try to be as fair and objective with this proposal as possible. I'm going to take this a step further and state what would happen if ALL drugs were legalized.

*There would be a small rash of hospitalizations and/or accidents involving drug use by stupid or uneducated people, which would decline quickly as people realized the power of these substances and became educated
*Drug use would rise slightly initially, followed by a decline to levels below what they currently are
*Police and government would lose many overbearing powers that have snuck up on us and we have come to accept over the years
*Taxes from the drug sales would fund government programs, presumably to educate people on drug use dangers and benefits, and to fund anti-addiction programs
*Drug smuggling cartels would collapse or at least downsize dramatically (as they can still smuggle to other nations)
*Organized crime worldwide would decline
*Political corruption worldwide would decline
*Gangs would lose a significant portion of their funding (and power)
*Drug users would not have to associate with criminals and the criminal underworld
*Violent crime would go down significantly
*No one would ever get dirty drugs
*Many other nations would follow suit, as they would see the benefits it produces and no longer have the enormous pressure to criminalize these substances from the American government. The reason so many liberal European nations still outlaw the same drugs as America (what a coincidence, eh?) is because of the enormous financial and trade pressure America puts on all nations in the world to conform to it's drug standards. Remember that cannabis and mushrooms are technically not even truly legal in Holland
*Prison overpopulation would be a thing of the past. In fact, if all crimes related to drug use and sale were eliminated, only about one third of the US inmate population would exist
*Research would resume on some of the most valuable substances known to man (MDMA, LSD, DMT, and so forth)
*The fruit of this drug research would lead to highly successful addiction treatment programs, cures or aides for numerous psychological ailments, and spiritual awakening
*The funding from drug sales tax and resources freed from drug prosecution would be an enormous benefit to the economy

Oh, my. Now we wouldn't want THAT, would we?

I am of the opinion that all drugs should be legalized, not just cannabis and mushrooms. However education is the key. Anyone who intends to purchase these substances should be 18 or older and be REQUIRED to be educated on the substances they are purchasing. This education could take on many different forms.

There are lots of options people... let's try not to think in black and white. Of course unfortunately here I am preaching to the choir. This needs to be posted on FREEVIBE.

Drug legalization will happen one way or another. If you simply look at the incarceration statistics in America, they absolutely cannot continue forever. Change is inevitable, the question is how long will it take.

It's up to US to do what we can to make it happen sooner rather than later. Get involved with groups like NORML and other anti-prohibitionist groups. Read "Why Our Drug Laws Have Failed: And What We Can Do About It" by Judge James Gray.

Cannabis decriminalization is the first step, and it has already happened in a number of states. After that will be legalization, and then other drugs will gradually become legalized. It's already happening, thanks to the hard work and dedication of a lot of people with their hearts (and minds) in the right places. Let's see that it continues.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4655462 - 09/13/05 02:44 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Holland has less shroomers and pot users than the USA or the UK, measured per 1.000 citizens of any age group

What do you think would happen if weed and shrooms werer legalized in YOUR country?




i'm not at all sure what you are trying to say here with this post. so holland (where you seem to be saying mushrooms are semi-legal) has fewer mushroom users than the UK (where until july this year mushrooms were totally legal, and freely available, if not prepared in any way). i think you just dont have a very clear grasp of the facts here, which makes your argument (whatever it is) remarkably weak. that's not to say you are wrong, just your argument is a poor one!


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Plok]
    #4655621 - 09/13/05 03:17 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Plok said:
Let's try to be as fair and objective with this proposal as possible.  I'm going to take this a step further and state what would happen if ALL drugs were legalized.

*There would be a small rash of hospitalizations and/or accidents involving drug use by stupid or uneducated people, which would decline quickly as people realized the power of these substances and became educated
*Drug use would rise slightly initially, followed by a decline to levels below what they currently are
*Police and government would lose many overbearing powers that have snuck up on us and we have come to accept over the years
*Taxes from the drug sales would fund government programs, presumably to educate people on drug use dangers and benefits, and to fund anti-addiction programs
*Drug smuggling cartels would collapse or at least downsize dramatically (as they can still smuggle to other nations)
*Organized crime worldwide would decline
*Political corruption worldwide would decline
*Gangs would lose a significant portion of their funding (and power)
*Drug users would not have to associate with criminals and the criminal underworld
*Violent crime would go down significantly
*No one would ever get dirty drugs
*Many other nations would follow suit, as they would see the benefits it produces and no longer have the enormous pressure to criminalize these substances from the American government.  The reason so many liberal European nations still outlaw the same drugs as America (what a coincidence, eh?) is because of the enormous financial and trade pressure America puts on all nations in the world to conform to it's drug standards.  Remember that cannabis and mushrooms are technically not even truly legal in Holland
*Prison overpopulation would be a thing of the past.  In fact, if all crimes related to drug use and sale were eliminated, only about one third of the US inmate population would exist
*Research would resume on some of the most valuable substances known to man (MDMA, LSD, DMT, and so forth)
*The fruit of this drug research would lead to highly successful addiction treatment programs, cures or aides for numerous psychological ailments, and spiritual awakening
*The funding from drug sales tax and resources freed from drug prosecution would be an enormous benefit to the economy




That was very well thought out. I agree with most all points made. :thumbup:


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4656036 - 09/13/05 04:48 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

You guys have to take into consideration the United States is notorious for over indulgence.. some people might end up in wards, but on the other hand, some people might make something better with their lives.


Also, I think organized religion would fail. Sorry to not read all the replies if someones mentioned this already, but I think it'd rip Catholosism apart (moreso than pedophilia did).


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Adden]
    #4656150 - 09/13/05 05:14 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not sure if we (United States) would make it through the initial hysteria that legalizing drugs would most likely cause. Another way to look at this though could be that if you look at the general population of drug users that you have encountered in your personal life, almost all of them are embiciles. The people I hang out with are educated, responsible drug users (for the most part), but many are not. Point being, most idiots I know are already using drugs. Therefore, maybe the majority of new users will be responsible people who won't take unnecessary risks and obtain necessary knowledge before indulgence. Just throwing out another viewpoint.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4656238 - 09/13/05 05:32 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think that weed use wound necessarily go down especially in the land of overindulgence, the "great" USA. I know alot of conservative people that binge drink and think its alright becasue its legal, but they won't smoke weed because its too taboo due to being illegal. But if they could just go to the store and pick up some green they might start to chief.

Also, the probation and parole system would be revamped and weed use would be legal for the millions in them. Not to mention the price would drop and ther would be a constant supply. I really think weed use would go up drastically with all out legalization here in America, at least at first. However, it would probably be used more responsibly by most pot heads because they would want to keep it legal so smoking on the road, which would of course be prohibited, would probably go down. If you could smoke at your residence without risking imprisonment because of a nosy neighbor or landlord, smoking on the road would just be plain dumb.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: sublime40oz]
    #4656246 - 09/13/05 05:33 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

im sort of going off topic, but what exactly would need to be done legally to end prohibition? does the president just need to sign off a bill? what branches of our gov't would be involved? would this be a vote thing like that gay marriage bullshit?


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Plok]
    #4656380 - 09/13/05 06:04 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Let's try to be as fair and objective with this proposal as possible. I'm going to take this a step further and state what would happen if ALL drugs were legalized.

*There would be a small rash of hospitalizations and/or accidents involving drug use by stupid or uneducated people, which would decline quickly as people realized the power of these substances and became educated
*Drug use would rise slightly initially, followed by a decline to levels below what they currently are
*Police and government would lose many overbearing powers that have snuck up on us and we have come to accept over the years
*Taxes from the drug sales would fund government programs, presumably to educate people on drug use dangers and benefits, and to fund anti-addiction programs
*Drug smuggling cartels would collapse or at least downsize dramatically (as they can still smuggle to other nations)
*Organized crime worldwide would decline
*Political corruption worldwide would decline
*Gangs would lose a significant portion of their funding (and power)
*Drug users would not have to associate with criminals and the criminal underworld
*Violent crime would go down significantly
*No one would ever get dirty drugs
*Many other nations would follow suit, as they would see the benefits it produces and no longer have the enormous pressure to criminalize these substances from the American government. The reason so many liberal European nations still outlaw the same drugs as America (what a coincidence, eh?) is because of the enormous financial and trade pressure America puts on all nations in the world to conform to it's drug standards. Remember that cannabis and mushrooms are technically not even truly legal in Holland
*Prison overpopulation would be a thing of the past. In fact, if all crimes related to drug use and sale were eliminated, only about one third of the US inmate population would exist
*Research would resume on some of the most valuable substances known to man (MDMA, LSD, DMT, and so forth)
*The fruit of this drug research would lead to highly successful addiction treatment programs, cures or aides for numerous psychological ailments, and spiritual awakening
*The funding from drug sales tax and resources freed from drug prosecution would be an enormous benefit to the economy

Oh, my. Now we wouldn't want THAT, would we?

I am of the opinion that all drugs should be legalized, not just cannabis and mushrooms. However education is the key. Anyone who intends to purchase these substances should be 18 or older and be REQUIRED to be educated on the substances they are purchasing. This education could take on many different forms.

There are lots of options people... let's try not to think in black and white. Of course unfortunately here I am preaching to the choir. This needs to be posted on FREEVIBE.

Drug legalization will happen one way or another. If you simply look at the incarceration statistics in America, they absolutely cannot continue forever. Change is inevitable, the question is how long will it take.

It's up to US to do what we can to make it happen sooner rather than later. Get involved with groups like NORML and other anti-prohibitionist groups. Read "Why Our Drug Laws Have Failed: And What We Can Do About It" by Judge James Gray.

Cannabis decriminalization is the first step, and it has already happened in a number of states. After that will be legalization, and then other drugs will gradually become legalized. It's already happening, thanks to the hard work and dedication of a lot of people with their hearts (and minds) in the right places. Let's see that it continues.




Amen to that,although it sounds a bit utopic since the first clause which...somehow portrays the majority of people as sentient,logical people that learn from their mistakes.Truely,i dont believe many people have that sort of learning curve... Maybe we will continue to see huuuuuuuge waves of deleterious abuse and hospitalisations before we reach that stage,as a matter of fact IF we manage to get passed the "whooooohooooo drugs are legal whooohooooo okletsgetfuckedupbeyondbeliefandendupdead!!!!! "

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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Psiloman]
    #4657238 - 09/13/05 09:43 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

To that I would say that drugs being legalized would not drastically increase drug use long term because generally the legal status of a drug does not greatly impact a person's decision whether to use it. It seems to me that people fall into three general categories:

-Those who would use drugs no matter what
-Those who would never use drugs
-Those who would only use them if they were legal

It seems to me that the third group must be a miniscule percentage of the population. Most people are either going to use drugs or they're not, and most people that don't use them don't base their decisions on the legality, but rather the fact that they have been brainwashed into believing that drugs are a lot more harmful than they really are. There are few areas of government that lie more than the drug enforcement agencies.

Furthermore, I think there is a compelling argument that one should have the right to alter one's consciousness and body as they please. This to me should be an inalienable right.

Yes.. there would definitely be some idiots out there, sure. Just like there are now.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Plok]
    #4657436 - 09/13/05 10:38 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)



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    #4658991 - 09/14/05 09:57 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4659115 - 09/14/05 10:27 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Over here, all drugs were decriminalized in 2001. It's a long walk since 1975, when we were a fascist country controlled by the state and the catholic church. Now most people have a relaxed view regarding drug consumption, i'll give it 10 more years for drugs to be legalized :smile: .

We are mainly a country made for tourism (or at least the EU turned us into one) but with a limited success. With the amount of sun we have, i supposed the south would be a ever green pot field and tourists would fill up the whole country :grin: .

Celts were here, barbarians were here, romans were here, muslims were here, crusaders were here, now pot will be here, meet "lusitania", the land of light ... and lighten up :wink: . Yes, thousands of years of evolution, dozens of cultures just to .... freely light up a joint :grin:

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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: MAIA]
    #4659129 - 09/14/05 10:30 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I would expect the arts and music in the US to explode with innovation and creativity.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4659136 - 09/14/05 10:32 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'm sure there would be an age (like the drinking age).  When you hit this age, it is customary and widely accepted to get completely hammered.  Likewise, if it were legal, there'd be a "Tripping age".  I think that'd be fun :lol:


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: kake]
    #4659139 - 09/14/05 10:32 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I think that if shrooms and weed waz legalized there would be sum big ass taxes put on both and it would probably be illegal to grow scince the gov't couldnt tax home grown weed or shrooms. and shrooms will prolly never be legal in the US.... just sayin. itd prolly be just like amsterdam where you have to be in a coffee shop?..


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4659469 - 09/14/05 11:35 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

weed might become more decriminalized, but I highy doubt anytime soon either of them will become legal in the US, but you never know..it still might be a while if it does.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4659522 - 09/14/05 11:43 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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What do you think would happen if weed and shrooms werer legalized in YOUR country?




the Christians would have heart attacks and firebomb business' that sell.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Asante]
    #4659533 - 09/14/05 11:45 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

If it was legal our government would lose a ton of money they generate threw "fishing".
They would no longer be able to pull thousands of people off the streets taking a big
chunck of money.

They wouldnt be able to take our dope an turn around and resell it in some sting operation.

too big of a money maker for them.


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    #4659538 - 09/14/05 11:46 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

oh the shit would never be legal in Utah, too many mormons here, they don't even like alcohol and tobacco being legal as it is.. but Prisoner that most likely would happen other places in the US...for sure.


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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: SubGen1us]
    #4659546 - 09/14/05 11:47 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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If it was legal our government would lose a ton of money they generate threw "fishing".
They would no longer be able to pull thousands of people off the streets taking a big
chunck of money.

They wouldnt be able to take our dope an turn around and resell it in some sting operation.

too big of a money maker for them.





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Re: Suppose they legalized Cannabis and Shrooms! What Would happen? I'll tell you! [Re: Diablo]
    #4659586 - 09/14/05 11:56 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

exactly, they are making a killing off of me alone, fucking US..all these fines and drug classes intended for them to make cash..true so true, from personal experience...it is still going on for me right now.


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    #8437185 - 05/23/08 02:46 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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isn't bike theft one of the top crimes in Holland? I remember hearing something to that extent.




In fact people get high and lose their own bike. After they claim that the bike was stoled! lol


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