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Offlinedaimyo
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Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools
    #4638911 - 09/09/05 07:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Would you support a mandatory gun safety/education class in public schools? Why or why not?

What types of things should be taught?
Who should teach it? (Teachers, NRA, Locals)


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: daimyo]
    #4638943 - 09/09/05 07:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think gun safety courses should be mandatory. Not everybody has or desires to use guns.
(do you mean federally mandated and funded? then, no - federal gov't is too involved in education as it is)

However, I think it would be a good idea for districts that want gun safety courses and have the needed resources to provide them.

Things to be taught: basic safety, types and parts of firearms, care and maintainance of firearms, target practice.

They should be provided by certified instructors. (NRA? wtf?)


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: phi1618]
    #4638970 - 09/09/05 07:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I would like it to be mandatory. I feel that the uneducated pose the greatest risk.
Definitely not a federal thing. The commi...democrats will get back in power and slash the program away. State level I'd have to go with.

Totally agree with your list of things to be taught.

What do you think of the Eddie Eagle program?


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: daimyo]
    #4638980 - 09/09/05 07:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'm with phi on this one. As long as gun education is freely available, I don't see any reason to make it mandatory.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: daimyo]
    #4638989 - 09/09/05 07:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

This should be a family thing, when you grow up in the country,
a good rifle is your best friend.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: rod]
    #4639014 - 09/09/05 07:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

That's the problem- right now, gun education IS a family thing. If your family doesn't educate you, you're screwed.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #4639098 - 09/09/05 07:55 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Or if your family mis-educates you. Or teaches nothing but anti-gun propaganda.

While we leave in a society where guns are prevalent I feel it is the governments responsibility to properly educate the populace on there proper use and care. At the very least, teach respect for them instead of fear mongering or blind support.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: daimyo]
    #4639111 - 09/09/05 08:00 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

So... what you're saying is that you'd like to use the government to shove your view of guns down the throats of every public school student in the nation, the views of their families not withstanding.

How American of you.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: phi1618]
    #4639133 - 09/09/05 08:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Ironically, that _would_ almost be in true American spirit- that is, lead by the majority (Democracy.) If there were a vote, and the majority agreed that it should be taught, it would be, and the values and beliefs of those in the minority would in fact be irrelevant. That's the the country works.

I'm not saying that's good, bad, or ideal.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: daimyo]
    #4639136 - 09/09/05 08:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

How about making passing a gun saftey course required before the purchase of a gun?


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: cherokee]
    #4639150 - 09/09/05 08:10 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Smoker For Peace said:
How about making passing a gun saftey course required before the purchase of a gun?



I feel conflicted on this issue. On the one hand, it might reduce the number of accidental gun deaths. But on the other hand, it would make it easier for the government to track gun-owners, which would in turn make it easier to confiscate them.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: Silversoul]
    #4639158 - 09/09/05 08:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Indeed. And if the courses were ever banned, so would gun purchases. I am against your proposal(as it stands).

Quote:

phi1618 said:
So... what you're saying is that you'd like to use the government to shove your view of guns down the throats of every public school student in the nation, the views of their families not withstanding.





No. I am saying I would like my fellow citizens to be informed about the safe use of a potentially deadly instrument. I am growing weary of reading about children shooting children becuase A) the child didn't know better(lack of education) B) the parents didn't know better(lack of respect/education)


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: Silversoul]
    #4639212 - 09/09/05 08:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I agree with those views. It might also encourage the purchase of black-market or gray-market guns, to avoid ownership tracking or being required to pass the course.

I think we don't need more gun control, we need more education. Be it through parents, schools, gov't tests, whatever. On the other hand, someone determined to kill someone else with a gun will likely find a way to procure one, legally or otherwise.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #4639300 - 09/09/05 08:53 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The purpose of education is to help prevent accidental killing. A murderer will murder no matter what laws are in place.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: cherokee]
    #4653759 - 09/13/05 03:26 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Smoker For Peace said:
How about making passing a gun saftey course required before the purchase of a gun?




Of course, we have to attach a fee to the course -- I mean, how else will it be funded!

And next year, don't you know, it's going to cost more.

And more.

And more.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #4654125 - 09/13/05 10:45 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Some places already have it. In VA when I was in middle school we had part of our health class as Gun Safety/Hunter Certification Class. The regular teachers taught the class with assistance from people from the community who are subject matter experts. Not sure where the funding came from, but at the end you could take a test and you would get a certificate allowing you to get a hunting liscence, kind of like a driver education class.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #4654186 - 09/13/05 11:10 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Good shit. I'll have to check into this.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: daimyo]
    #4654615 - 09/13/05 01:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

We could strike a compromise.

Mandatory gun courses are taught right after evolution.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: badchad]
    #4654674 - 09/13/05 01:37 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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badchad said:
We could strike a compromise.

Mandatory gun courses are taught right after evolution.




And then the hardcore Christian kids get to shoot the teacher that just taught evolution.


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Re: Gun Safety/Education in Public Schools [Re: badchad]
    #4654817 - 09/13/05 02:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

badchad said:
We could strike a compromise.

Mandatory gun courses are taught right after evolution.




Ok, evolution is being taught. Now where are our mandatory gun courses?

I believe that free firearms training should be provided by the state (note: not federal) gov't to anyone who feels like getting trained. This should not cost the trainee a penny, though.


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