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    #4638715 - 09/09/05 06:18 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

don't you just love them?


a machine, very simple and crude, has a button that does the following things:

Ends consciousness of a human being, brings unbarable pain to maybe 10-20 other people, brings depression and sadness to maybe 10-20 more, does severe damage to minds of children of the killed specimen, sends waves of anger and hate that affect maybe 1000 more people through interaction with the damaged offsprings, brings fear to maybe 10000 people living in the nearby area when they hear the news,
damages the mind of the person pulling the trigger, destroys him, and his family, possibly some connections in numbers of 10-100 people, brings nightmares if the shooter is more sensitive, sends ripples through the air scaring 5000 nearby people, leaves blood stains on clothing that are hard to wash, possibly causes one or two, or many more similar incidents.


What a powerfull machine, isn't it?


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Re: guns [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4638720 - 09/09/05 06:20 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Gotta love 'em


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Re: guns [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4638725 - 09/09/05 06:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

You could do all that with a rock too. Maybe violence/aggression is what you're really getting at here?


Edited by Smoker For Peace (09/09/05 06:21 PM)


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Re: guns [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4638731 - 09/09/05 06:23 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I,d rather have one and not need it, then need one and not have it.


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Re: guns [Re: cherokee]
    #4638732 - 09/09/05 06:24 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Smoker For Peace said:
You could do all that with a rock too. Maybe violence/aggression is what you're really getting at here?




a gun is an expression of violence and frustration, it's a symbol


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Re: guns [Re: rod]
    #4638738 - 09/09/05 06:25 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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rod said:
I,d rather have one and not need it, then need one and not have it.




If you have a gun, someone is going to have another gun to pretect himself from you


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Re: guns [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4638755 - 09/09/05 06:28 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

The gun is a democratic weapon. They put the means to defend oneself into the hands of the common man. This is why the church tried to ban guns during the middle ages. They allowed a peasant with very little training to take out a well-trained archer who had spent more than 10 years training.


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Re: guns [Re: Silversoul]
    #4638769 - 09/09/05 06:31 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

guns help keep the goverment from running amuck, take a
look at Mexico.


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Re: guns [Re: Silversoul]
    #4638771 - 09/09/05 06:32 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
The gun is a democratic weapon. They put the means to defend oneself into the hands of the common man. This is why the church tried to ban guns during the middle ages. They allowed a peasant with very little training to take out a well-trained archer who had spent more than 10 years training.




Every offense starts as some kind of a defense from something.
By having a gun for defense, you are a mortal danger for someone, and he will get a gun to defent himself from you


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Re: guns [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4638783 - 09/09/05 06:34 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

As it should be, everyone should have the right to defend themselves.


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Re: guns [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4638787 - 09/09/05 06:35 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
Quote:

Smoker For Peace said:
You could do all that with a rock too. Maybe violence/aggression is what you're really getting at here?




a gun is an expression of violence and frustration, it's a symbol




I disagree. "A gun is a mechanical device that fires projectiles at high velocity, using a propellant such as gun powder or compressed air."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun

I'd agree with you if you said violence is often expressed through a gun.


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Re: guns [Re: daimyo]
    #4638789 - 09/09/05 06:36 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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As it should be, everyone should have the right to defend themselves.




so all the violence in the world is defense?
guess when a guy shoots someone he is defending himself from an invisible alien that is standing between him and the victim, right?


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Re: guns [Re: cherokee]
    #4638792 - 09/09/05 06:37 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Smoker For Peace said:
Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
Quote:

Smoker For Peace said:
You could do all that with a rock too. Maybe violence/aggression is what you're really getting at here?




a gun is an expression of violence and frustration, it's a symbol




I disagree. "A gun is a mechanical device that fires projectiles at high velocity, using a propellant such as gun powder or compressed air."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun

I'd agree with you if you said violence is often expressed through a gun.





gun was invented out of fear, anger, hate, greed etc.


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Re: guns [Re: daimyo]
    #4638793 - 09/09/05 06:38 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Banning guns increases crime anyhow. Is that something you want?

Or if your goal is the elimination of ALL guns, then will you be wanting the elimination of all knives? Rocks? Sticks? Pillows?

No matter which of these you have a deep-rooted fear of, the elimination of it will do nothing to change the mindset of the violent.


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Re: guns [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4638803 - 09/09/05 06:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
so all the violence in the world is defense?



Where did you get that?

Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
guess when a guy shoots someone he is defending himself from an invisible alien that is standing between him and the victim, right?



Hardly. Every shooting has its own, seperate reasoning.


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Re: guns [Re: daimyo]
    #4638804 - 09/09/05 06:40 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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daimyo said:
Banning guns increases crime anyhow. Is that something you want?

Or if your goal is the elimination of ALL guns, then will you be wanting the elimination of all knives? Rocks? Sticks? Pillows?

No matter which of these you have a deep-rooted fear of, the elimination of it will do nothing to change the mindset of the violent.




I didn't say anything about baning

I'm just saying how wonderfull this machine is


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Re: guns [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4638815 - 09/09/05 06:43 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Well then, nevermind :smile:


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Re: guns [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4638829 - 09/09/05 06:47 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:


I didn't say anything about baning

I'm just saying how wonderfull this machine is





What's to wonder about this machine? Its mechanism is rather simple.


Edited by Smoker For Peace (09/09/05 06:48 PM)


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Re: guns [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4638834 - 09/09/05 06:48 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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gun was invented out of fear, anger, hate, greed etc.




I would love to see you try to support this.


The gun is a tool that uses the accumulated technology of millenia of sedentary living to aid in the use of attacking a target (be it animal, person, object) from a distance. Since advances in technology have created firearms that can be used by an individual considerably more powerful it is now the responsibility of society to act in such a way that promotes their responsible use and abandon any wildly regressive ideas, recognizing their futility in a society where firearms are so prevalent.

Or we could all join in a big circle and rock out to my ukulele stylings.


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Re: guns [Re: cherokee]
    #4638838 - 09/09/05 06:49 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Smoker For Peace said:
Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:


I didn't say anything about baning

I'm just saying how wonderfull this machine is





What's to wonder about this machine? Its mechanism is rather simple.




It's purpuse and invention


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