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Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill.
    #4631708 - 09/07/05 07:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The Terminator, terminates marriage for girly men.


Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill
AP ^ | 9/7/5


Posted on 09/07/2005 6:06:36 PM PDT by SmithL


SACRAMENTO - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger announced Wednesday that he will veto a bill seeking to allow gay marriages in California.

Schwarzenegger said the legislation, given final approval Tuesday by lawmakers, would conflict with the intent of voters when they approved Proposition 22. That measure was put on the ballot in 2000 to prevent California from recognizing same-sex marriages performed elsewhere.

"We cannot have a system where the people vote and the Legislature derails that vote," the governor's press secretary, Margita Thompson, said in a statement. "Out of respect for the will of the people, the governor will veto (the bill)."

Despite his promise to veto the bill, Schwarzenegger "believes gay couples are entitled to full protection under the law and should not be discriminated against based upon their relationship."

"He is proud that California provides the most rigorous protections in the nation for domestic partners," the statement said.

The Republican governor had indicated in previous statements that he would veto the bill, saying the debate over same-sex marriage should be decided by voters or the courts.

A state appeals court is weighing an appeal of a San Francisco judge's ruling striking down state laws barring gay marriages. Meanwhile, opponents of same-sex marriages are planning measures on the ballot next year that would place a ban on gay marriages in the state constitution.

The announcement dampened a celebratory mood among the bill's supporters, who only the night before cheered, hugged and kissed as the state Assembly narrowly sent the bill to the governor's desk.

Assemblyman Paul Koretz, D-West Hollywood, had called bans on gay marriage "the last frontier of bigotry and discrimination."

The bill passed the Legislature through the persistence of its sponsors, Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco. His original bill had failed in the Assembly by four votes in June, but he then amended it to another bill in the Senate, which voted to approve it last week.

It was that amended bill the Assembly passed by a bare majority on Tuesday. Four Democrats who did not vote on the bill in June provided the winning margin this week.

The vote made the California Legislature the first legislative body in the country to approve of same-sex marriage. Gay marriage licenses in Massachusetts and civil unions in Vermont were granted through court rulings.
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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4631717 - 09/07/05 07:52 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

What an asshole.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4631723 - 09/07/05 07:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

smart asshole.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4631729 - 09/07/05 07:55 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I hope he gets gangraped in an alley on the way home from work. Then he realizes he enjoys the sexual stimulation and decides to endorse the bill.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4631730 - 09/07/05 07:55 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Probably nice and tight too.

That's too bad, as I believe gay marriage should be approved so gays have the same rights as everyone else, but in reality it should be approved by the voters of California first.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4631734 - 09/07/05 07:56 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

True. To desperately muster up votes for himself. Still an asshole. A roided up smart asshole.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4631758 - 09/07/05 08:04 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I hope he gets gangraped in an alley on the way home from work. Then he realizes he enjoys the sexual stimulation and decides to endorse the bill.



I don't think he'd endorse the bill if he was gay. It's about what the voters think of gay marriage, not what he thinks. I doubt he personally cares.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4631776 - 09/07/05 08:09 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

A governor who actually follows the wishes of voters participating in a state-wide referendum? How undemocratic!



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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Phred]
    #4631822 - 09/07/05 08:22 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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A governor who actually follows the wishes of voters participating in a state-wide referendum? How undemocratic!



Phred, you know as well as I do that democracy is not the beacon of freedom that politicians pretend it is, and that it can frequently descend into a "tyranny of the majority," as is the case here. This is one of those cases where doing the democratic thing and doing the right thing are very different.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Phred]
    #4631829 - 09/07/05 08:23 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

If what the majority of people thought was what we all should think then I would have fallen off the edge of the Earth long ago.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: trick]
    #4631838 - 09/07/05 08:26 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Schwarzenegger vows gay marriage bill veto
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger announced Wednesday that he will veto a bill that would allow gay marriages in California.

Schwarzenegger said the legislation, given final approval Tuesday by lawmakers, would conflict with the intent of voters when they approved a ballot initiative five years ago. Proposition 22 prevents California from recognizing same-sex marriages performed in other states or countries.

"We cannot have a system where the people vote and the Legislature derails that vote," the governor's press secretary, Margita Thompson, said in a statement. "Out of respect for the will of the people, the governor will veto (the bill)."

Despite his promised veto, Schwarzenegger "believes gay couples are entitled to full protection under the law and should not be discriminated against based upon their relationship," the statement said.

"He is proud that California provides the most rigorous protections in the nation for domestic partners," it added.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Silversoul]
    #4631876 - 09/07/05 08:37 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Damnit, you beat me to the "majority tyranny" call.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4631927 - 09/07/05 08:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Damnit, you beat me to the "majority tyranny" call.




so if the "majority" .... (me included)
tolerate civil unions but do not accept gay marriage/rituals.

fuck us??? we are wrong...... the minority knows best...

what if the minority wants pedophiles to have marriage rights???


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4631963 - 09/07/05 09:07 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

In this case, you are wrong. Things which do not affect you in the slightest bit should be of no concern to you.

Pedophilia as compared to homosexuality is absurd, and you better damn well admit it. Pedophilia is illegal while homosexuality is not.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4632018 - 09/07/05 09:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

was homosexuality always legal?

yes i may be wrong. and i predict gay marriage will eventually pass....

just debating the topic.





tol?er?ate (tŏl'ə-rāt')

To allow without prohibiting or opposing; permit.
To recognize and respect (the rights, beliefs, or practices of others).
To put up with; endure.





ac?cept (ăk-sĕpt')



To receive (something offered), especially with gladness or approval: accepted a glass of water; accepted their contract.
To admit to a group, organization, or place: accepted me as a new member of the club.

To regard as proper, usual, or right: Such customs are widely accepted.
To regard as true; believe in: Scientists have accepted the new theory.
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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4632034 - 09/07/05 09:30 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Tolerate- To allow without prohibiting or opposing; permit.

You don't need to "accept" homosexuality in any way to realize that it's a civil rights issue. What if the majority didn't tolerate interracial marriage? Does that mean the majority is right, and that the politicans who opposed interracial marriage would also be right, since it is the majority's will?

How is homosexuality any different? In either case it's two consenting adults wanting to get married; in both cases the only thing stopping them was/ is the social attitude.

As shown by the definition of tolerance, you don't have to "accept" what goes on behind closed doors after the happily married couple goes home, but the marriage can nonetheless be allowed without you accepting it.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4632036 - 09/07/05 09:31 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

No, it was not always legal.

Back in Greek and Roman times, though, it was heavily accepted.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4632063 - 09/07/05 09:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

"You don't need to "accept" homosexuality in any way to realize that it's a civil rights issue. What if the majority didn't tolerate interracial marriage? "

or what if the majority did not accept interracial adoption?

believe it or not i have black friends who think it is wrong for whites to adopt black children.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4632076 - 09/07/05 09:42 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Whether it's race, sexual orientation or religion, discrimination is discrimination. Luckily those black friends of yours are not the voting majority, but for gays, the voting majority is against granting them equal rights.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Ravus]
    #4632112 - 09/07/05 09:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

its changing. (slowly)


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Silversoul]
    #4632250 - 09/07/05 10:29 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You know already I disapprove of deciding issues of morality by popular vote, otherwise known as democracy (tyranny of the majority).

However, California has decided otherwise. They do take many matters directly to the voters rather than relying on the elected representatives of the state legislature.

Let's suppose a statewide referendum supported decriminalizing marijuana, but the state legislature ignored it and instead passed a bill calling for harsher penalties for possession. When the governor vetoed that bill, you'd be praising him to the skies.

The state constitution of California allows legislators to pass bills, it allows for input from voters through referenda, and it allows for a governor's veto. I'd say in this case, Arnie's position is much more closely in tune with the desires of his constituents than the state legislature's position. The state's legislators have in essence thumbed their noses at those who voted them in as representatives. A betrayal, to be blunt.

In this case, given the nature of state government in California, there's no question Arnold is the one in the right. Like it or not.




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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Phred]
    #4632427 - 09/07/05 11:17 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

my old hs pricipal is gay, he is against gay marriage. He is really really really rich too.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Phred]
    #4632442 - 09/07/05 11:19 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Let's suppose a statewide referendum supported decriminalizing marijuana, but the state legislature ignored it and instead passed a bill calling for harsher penalties for possesion. When the governor vetoed that bill, you'd be praising him to the skies.



Indeed I would, because it's the right thing to do, not because of majority opinion. I am for protecting liberty regardless of how popular or unpopular it is.

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The state constitution of California allows legislators to pass bills, it allows for input from voters through referenda, and it allows for a governor's veto. I'd say in this case, Arnie's position is much more closely in tune with the desires of his constituents than the state legislature's position. The state's legislators have in essence thumbed their noses at those who voted them in as representatives. A betrayal, to be blunt.



I thumb my nose right at them too, and throw a little one-finger salute on top of that. Fuck 'em, the ignorant bastards. Let them call whatever's going on under their roof a "civil union." If they're upset about gays wanting equal treatment under the law, then they can just go cry about it.

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In this case, given the nature of state government in California, there's no question Arnold is the one in the right. Like it or not.



The fact that his actions are understandable given the circumstances does not make them right.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Phred]
    #4632529 - 09/07/05 11:38 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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Let's suppose a statewide referendum supported decriminalizing marijuana, but the state legislature ignored it and instead passed a bill calling for harsher penalties for possesion. When the governor vetoed that bill, you'd be praising him to the skies.





Of course he would praise him. I know I sure would. Any measure which increases an individual's personal freedom is worth commendation.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4633140 - 09/08/05 07:22 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Okay, then. Both you and Paradigm have admitted that what matters to you is your opinion(s) of what is right, regardless of how closely it follows (or violates) the process laid down in the California state constitution. In one case you might back the legislators, in a different case the referendum results, in a third case the governor's veto.

This is referred to by proponents of direct democracy as "tyranny of the minority".

Again, I must point out that I too am against deciding moral issues by the whim of the masses either -- as both of you are well aware by now. However, that's the way things are set up in California. In a democratic context, Schwarzenegger has done nothing wrong. Quite the reverse -- he has corrected a wrong done to the voters of California by the state legislature.

Just another example of the dangers of direct democracy and of deciding points of law through public referenda.




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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Phred]
    #4633228 - 09/08/05 08:41 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldn't say it is a tyranny of the minority. In either of the cases stated, the new rights gained by the citizens would not take away rights of the majority. It is not a zero-sum game.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4633304 - 09/08/05 09:23 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I wouldn't say it is a tyranny of the minority. In either of the cases stated, the new rights gained by the citizens would not take away rights of the majority. It is not a zero-sum game.



Exactly. Anything that expands liberty for everyone cannot be properly described as "tyranny," no matter what those stupid voters think. The wrongdoing here has been done by the voters, not to them.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4633435 - 09/08/05 10:26 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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What an asshole.




he's an asshole for carrying out the will of
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it sucks, but that's his job.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: afoaf]
    #4633442 - 09/08/05 10:27 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Read the rest of the thread.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: afoaf]
    #4633525 - 09/08/05 10:59 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

If the voters wanted to go back to the days where it was legal to lynch blacks in the streets, would it be his job to veto anti-lynching laws?

Government should protect the minority from the whims of the majority. In this case, he's failing the American people by being a whore for votes. (Instead of doing what is right.)

But that's what most politicians are, whores for votes and power.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4633553 - 09/08/05 11:14 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

spare me the slippery slope.

there are plenty of checks and balances that
would prevent a situation of that magnitude
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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4633632 - 09/08/05 11:43 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I still to not get what rights this minority does not have with a civil union?

or is this about changing the definition of marriage?

Marriage is a relationship and bond, most commonly between a man and a woman, that plays a key role in the definition of many families. Precise definitions vary historically and between and within cultures, but it has been an important concept as a socially sanctioned bond in a sexual relationship. Globally, societies that sanction polygamy as a form of marriage are far more common than those that do not. However, monogamy is overwhelmingly most widely practiced, followed by polygyny, with othe
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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: afoaf]
    #4633838 - 09/08/05 12:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

It didn't for a long time. Remember, the constitution vastly out-dates civil rights for minorities.

It's just like the separate but equal argument. Separate is inherently not equal. Having a set of rules that differently governs the same item for minority groups is not equal.

For instance, segregated schools, and common law unions for homosexuals.

Both deal with the same aspect of life. (schools and romantic relationships.) Having separate rules that defines how the government interacts with the same issue, one for the majority, another for the minority, is inherently unequal.

Edited by Anisotropic (09/08/05 12:47 PM)

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4633915 - 09/08/05 01:14 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The same line of logic leads me to be against stricter sentences for hate crimes and things like reparations.

The problem is currently the American populous does not believe that gay marriages are valid. Like the love those people feel is some kind of facsimile, or less valid then the love heterosexual people feel in there relationships. But in reality there relationships are just as valid, it's just the majority of the people on earth are not ready for that level of acceptance yet.

The problem is not there relationships, it's the perception of there relationships. The same thing happened, and still happens with interracial couples.

It's just one more thing the people of the world will have to learn to deal with, because it's not going to stop just because they can't accept it.



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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4633972 - 09/08/05 01:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Of course, if a civil union is honored, I expect they would get the same employment benefits married people would get (medical, dental, etc for spouses).

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4634485 - 09/08/05 03:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Prohibiting gay marriage is just as absurd as yesterday's prohibition of interracial marriage.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Unagipie]
    #4634571 - 09/08/05 04:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Prohibiting gay marriage is just as absurd as yesterday's prohibition of interracial marriage.




Not quite, marriage usually makes babies. Babies born into a marriage have shown statistically to be well-adjusted adults who further contribute to society. Since leaving offspring for another generation is important for life to continue many believe government tax incentives promotes a positive and productive country.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4634593 - 09/08/05 04:12 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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I still to not get what rights this minority does not have with a civil union?



Does the phrase "separate but equal" ring a bell? That's what politicians are trying to push with the whole "civil unions" bullshit. But just like the segregation in the south prior to the civil rights movement, this "separate but equal" ploy is far from being truly equal.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Silversoul]
    #4634709 - 09/08/05 04:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

i do not get the civil union = segregation connection.



WOW! four pages and not one person has called me a homophobe for questioning Gay Marriage.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: looner2]
    #4634715 - 09/08/05 04:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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looner2 said:
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Unagipie said:
Prohibiting gay marriage is just as absurd as yesterday's prohibition of interracial marriage.




Not quite, marriage usually makes babies. Babies born into a marriage have shown statistically to be well-adjusted adults who further contribute to society. Since leaving offspring for another generation is important for life to continue many believe government tax incentives promotes a positive and productive country.




The world is overpopulated anyways. We should be encouraging gay marriage.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4634785 - 09/08/05 05:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Every one goes to school. At one point and time the schools where segregated. But since EVERYONE has to go to school, it's not fair for the government to select a group of people that get less then everyone else just because they fall in an easily defined group.

Similarly, EVERYONE has relationships, but currently the government has selected a very easily definable group to give less rights to.

I know that it is the belief of alot of people that homosexual relationships are not equal to heterosexual ones. And currently because they are a majority,the laws reflect there views.

But at one point and time, it was the majority of people's views that blacks where inferior to whites. The law also used to reflect that.

But those laws needed to be changed, even if a majority of people disagreed, because it was the right thing to do.

Why should the government give a white man more things just because he is white? Is the black man less valid, is he less a citizen?
((This works both ways, why should a black man get any more then a white? He shouldn't.))

Similarly why should homosexuals not be granted the same rights? If the government takes there tax money just like everyone else's they should at least expect to get the same rights as everyone else.

It's not like they're getting a tax break for the loss in rights. As a matter of fact, the opposite is true.

It's not like you can expect that they are not going to have relationships. Why should the rules that govern there relationships be any different?

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4634913 - 09/08/05 05:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

then is not now.

now there are plenty of things to keep an extreme
like that from being realized past the point of
it being a relevant example.

what if they voted to do away with oxygen?!


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: looner2]
    #4634931 - 09/08/05 05:51 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Prohibiting gay marriage is just as absurd as yesterday's prohibition of interracial marriage.




Not quite, marriage usually makes babies. Babies born into a marriage have shown statistically to be well-adjusted adults who further contribute to society. Since leaving offspring for another generation is important for life to continue many believe government tax incentives promotes a positive and productive country.




Why do babies have to be "made"? Gay couples can just as easily adopt, and there's hundreds of kids on waiting lists waiting for a home.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4634939 - 09/08/05 05:52 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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i do not get the civil union = segregation connection.



WOW! four pages and not one person has called me a homophobe for questioning Gay Marriage.

Thank You! Shroomery PA&L




You'd also be suspected of racism if you questioned interracial marriage.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Unagipie]
    #4635103 - 09/08/05 06:44 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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i do not get the civil union = segregation connection.



WOW! four pages and not one person has called me a homophobe for questioning Gay Marriage.

Thank You! Shroomery PA&L




You'd also be suspected of racism if you questioned interracial marriage.






almost made five pages!


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4635105 - 09/08/05 06:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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lonestar2004 said:
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lonestar2004 said:
i do not get the civil union = segregation connection.



WOW! four pages and not one person has called me a homophobe for questioning Gay Marriage.

Thank You! Shroomery PA&L




You'd also be suspected of racism if you questioned interracial marriage.






almost made five pages!




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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4635111 - 09/08/05 06:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

What a termi-dick.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Unagipie]
    #4635353 - 09/08/05 07:51 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

When gay marriage is legalized, im thinking of starting a website that hooks up straight single men for brief marriages to evade 30% capital gains tax on home sales.  You think it will work?  Shit, we are in the whole "housing bubble" thing here.  Im smelling a fortune to be made.  :grin:

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4635356 - 09/08/05 07:52 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Unagipie said:
Prohibiting gay marriage is just as absurd as yesterday's prohibition of interracial marriage.




Not quite, marriage usually makes babies. Babies born into a marriage have shown statistically to be well-adjusted adults who further contribute to society. Since leaving offspring for another generation is important for life to continue many believe government tax incentives promotes a positive and productive country.




The world is overpopulated anyways. We should be encouraging gay marriage.




You did not just go there!


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Catalysis]
    #4635357 - 09/08/05 07:52 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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When gay marriage is legalized, im thinking of starting a website that hooks up straight single men for brief marriages to evade 30% capital gains tax on home sales.  You think it will work?  Shit, we are in the whole "housing bubble" thing here.  Im smelling a fortune to be made.  :grin:



Why not do that right now for men and women wishing to do the same?


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: looner2]
    #4635367 - 09/08/05 07:56 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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looner2 said:
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looner2 said:
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Unagipie said:
Prohibiting gay marriage is just as absurd as yesterday's prohibition of interracial marriage.




Not quite, marriage usually makes babies. Babies born into a marriage have shown statistically to be well-adjusted adults who further contribute to society. Since leaving offspring for another generation is important for life to continue many believe government tax incentives promotes a positive and productive country.




The world is overpopulated anyways. We should be encouraging gay marriage.




You did not just go there!




I did.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Silversoul]
    #4635690 - 09/08/05 09:15 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
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When gay marriage is legalized, im thinking of starting a website that hooks up straight single men for brief marriages to evade 30% capital gains tax on home sales.  You think it will work?  Shit, we are in the whole "housing bubble" thing here.  Im smelling a fortune to be made.  :grin:



Why not do that right now for men and women wishing to do the same?




Although the tide is turning, far more single men own homes than single women.  Also, there are marriage-for-convenience scams but it just seems to be more difficult to get women to go for them than men.  The reasons are pretty obvious if you think about the traditional roles of men and women in marriages.  I think full-rights, same-sex marriage could change that paradigm.

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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Silversoul]
    #4635721 - 09/08/05 09:23 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

"Catalysis said:
When gay marriage is legalized, im thinking of starting a website that hooks up straight single men for brief marriages to evade 30% capital gains tax on home sales. You think it will work? Shit, we are in the whole "housing bubble" thing here. Im smelling a fortune to be made.


Why not do that right now for men and women wishing to do the same? "

Because that wouldn't make a point about gay marriage?

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