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Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill.
    #4631708 - 09/07/05 09:50 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

The Terminator, terminates marriage for girly men.


Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill
AP ^ | 9/7/5


Posted on 09/07/2005 6:06:36 PM PDT by SmithL


SACRAMENTO - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger announced Wednesday that he will veto a bill seeking to allow gay marriages in California.

Schwarzenegger said the legislation, given final approval Tuesday by lawmakers, would conflict with the intent of voters when they approved Proposition 22. That measure was put on the ballot in 2000 to prevent California from recognizing same-sex marriages performed elsewhere.

"We cannot have a system where the people vote and the Legislature derails that vote," the governor's press secretary, Margita Thompson, said in a statement. "Out of respect for the will of the people, the governor will veto (the bill)."

Despite his promise to veto the bill, Schwarzenegger "believes gay couples are entitled to full protection under the law and should not be discriminated against based upon their relationship."

"He is proud that California provides the most rigorous protections in the nation for domestic partners," the statement said.

The Republican governor had indicated in previous statements that he would veto the bill, saying the debate over same-sex marriage should be decided by voters or the courts.

A state appeals court is weighing an appeal of a San Francisco judge's ruling striking down state laws barring gay marriages. Meanwhile, opponents of same-sex marriages are planning measures on the ballot next year that would place a ban on gay marriages in the state constitution.

The announcement dampened a celebratory mood among the bill's supporters, who only the night before cheered, hugged and kissed as the state Assembly narrowly sent the bill to the governor's desk.

Assemblyman Paul Koretz, D-West Hollywood, had called bans on gay marriage "the last frontier of bigotry and discrimination."

The bill passed the Legislature through the persistence of its sponsors, Assemblyman Mark Leno, D-San Francisco. His original bill had failed in the Assembly by four votes in June, but he then amended it to another bill in the Senate, which voted to approve it last week.

It was that amended bill the Assembly passed by a bare majority on Tuesday. Four Democrats who did not vote on the bill in June provided the winning margin this week.

The vote made the California Legislature the first legislative body in the country to approve of same-sex marriage. Gay marriage licenses in Massachusetts and civil unions in Vermont were granted through court rulings.
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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4631717 - 09/07/05 09:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

What an asshole.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4631723 - 09/07/05 09:53 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

smart asshole.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4631729 - 09/07/05 09:55 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I hope he gets gangraped in an alley on the way home from work. Then he realizes he enjoys the sexual stimulation and decides to endorse the bill.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4631730 - 09/07/05 09:55 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Probably nice and tight too.

That's too bad, as I believe gay marriage should be approved so gays have the same rights as everyone else, but in reality it should be approved by the voters of California first.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4631734 - 09/07/05 09:56 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

True. To desperately muster up votes for himself. Still an asshole. A roided up smart asshole.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4631758 - 09/07/05 10:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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I hope he gets gangraped in an alley on the way home from work. Then he realizes he enjoys the sexual stimulation and decides to endorse the bill.



I don't think he'd endorse the bill if he was gay. It's about what the voters think of gay marriage, not what he thinks. I doubt he personally cares.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4631776 - 09/07/05 10:09 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

A governor who actually follows the wishes of voters participating in a state-wide referendum? How undemocratic!



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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Phred]
    #4631822 - 09/07/05 10:22 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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A governor who actually follows the wishes of voters participating in a state-wide referendum? How undemocratic!



Phred, you know as well as I do that democracy is not the beacon of freedom that politicians pretend it is, and that it can frequently descend into a "tyranny of the majority," as is the case here. This is one of those cases where doing the democratic thing and doing the right thing are very different.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Phred]
    #4631829 - 09/07/05 10:23 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

If what the majority of people thought was what we all should think then I would have fallen off the edge of the Earth long ago.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: trick]
    #4631838 - 09/07/05 10:26 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Schwarzenegger vows gay marriage bill veto
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SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger announced Wednesday that he will veto a bill that would allow gay marriages in California.

Schwarzenegger said the legislation, given final approval Tuesday by lawmakers, would conflict with the intent of voters when they approved a ballot initiative five years ago. Proposition 22 prevents California from recognizing same-sex marriages performed in other states or countries.

"We cannot have a system where the people vote and the Legislature derails that vote," the governor's press secretary, Margita Thompson, said in a statement. "Out of respect for the will of the people, the governor will veto (the bill)."

Despite his promised veto, Schwarzenegger "believes gay couples are entitled to full protection under the law and should not be discriminated against based upon their relationship," the statement said.

"He is proud that California provides the most rigorous protections in the nation for domestic partners," it added.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Silversoul]
    #4631876 - 09/07/05 10:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Damnit, you beat me to the "majority tyranny" call.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4631927 - 09/07/05 10:58 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Damnit, you beat me to the "majority tyranny" call.




so if the "majority" .... (me included)
tolerate civil unions but do not accept gay marriage/rituals.

fuck us??? we are wrong...... the minority knows best...

what if the minority wants pedophiles to have marriage rights???


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4631963 - 09/07/05 11:07 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

In this case, you are wrong. Things which do not affect you in the slightest bit should be of no concern to you.

Pedophilia as compared to homosexuality is absurd, and you better damn well admit it. Pedophilia is illegal while homosexuality is not.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4632018 - 09/07/05 11:25 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

was homosexuality always legal?

yes i may be wrong. and i predict gay marriage will eventually pass....

just debating the topic.





tol?er?ate (tŏl'ə-rāt')

To allow without prohibiting or opposing; permit.
To recognize and respect (the rights, beliefs, or practices of others).
To put up with; endure.





ac?cept (ăk-sĕpt')



To receive (something offered), especially with gladness or approval: accepted a glass of water; accepted their contract.
To admit to a group, organization, or place: accepted me as a new member of the club.

To regard as proper, usual, or right: Such customs are widely accepted.
To regard as true; believe in: Scientists have accepted the new theory.
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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4632034 - 09/07/05 11:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Tolerate- To allow without prohibiting or opposing; permit.

You don't need to "accept" homosexuality in any way to realize that it's a civil rights issue. What if the majority didn't tolerate interracial marriage? Does that mean the majority is right, and that the politicans who opposed interracial marriage would also be right, since it is the majority's will?

How is homosexuality any different? In either case it's two consenting adults wanting to get married; in both cases the only thing stopping them was/ is the social attitude.

As shown by the definition of tolerance, you don't have to "accept" what goes on behind closed doors after the happily married couple goes home, but the marriage can nonetheless be allowed without you accepting it.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4632036 - 09/07/05 11:31 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

No, it was not always legal.

Back in Greek and Roman times, though, it was heavily accepted.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Redstorm]
    #4632063 - 09/07/05 11:39 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

"You don't need to "accept" homosexuality in any way to realize that it's a civil rights issue. What if the majority didn't tolerate interracial marriage? "

or what if the majority did not accept interracial adoption?

believe it or not i have black friends who think it is wrong for whites to adopt black children.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4632076 - 09/07/05 11:42 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Whether it's race, sexual orientation or religion, discrimination is discrimination. Luckily those black friends of yours are not the voting majority, but for gays, the voting majority is against granting them equal rights.


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Re: Schwarzenegger says he will veto gay marriage bill. [Re: Ravus]
    #4632112 - 09/07/05 11:50 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

its changing. (slowly)


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