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Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings
    #4630317 - 09/07/05 04:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings

An overflow Portland audience for the former vice president's global warming talk results in a second show
Wednesday, September 07, 2005

JOE ROJAS-BURKE
With a message about the urgent need to combat global warming, former Vice President Al Gore drew unexpected thousands of Portlanders to the Oregon Convention Center on Tuesday night.

The crowds snaked around the corridors of the convention center, and those who were denied entry chanted and pounded on the doors until Gore agreed to do a second show.

The Democratic presidential candidate in 2000, who lost one of the nation's most controversial elections, has among other pursuits been busily touring the country with a slide show heavy on charts and graphs explaining global warming and its potential consequences.


He showed photos of melting glaciers around the world. He noted how the loss of Himalayan glaciers could lead to loss of drinking water for tens of millions of people across Asia. He explained elaborately plotted scientific data of rising ocean temperatures, increasing precipitation and intensifying hurricanes. He noted that when he started doing these talks two years ago, he predicted the melting of Mount Kilimanjaro's snows within 15 years. "It's virtually all gone now," he said.

"We're entering -- have already entered -- a new phase of human history," Gore said. "The fundamental relationship between our species and our home planet has been utterly transformed."

He denounced critics who question the seriousness of the threat of global warming, comparing them to tobacco industry operatives who mustered experts to question the harmful effects of smoking.

"It delayed sensible policy for a long time," Gore said.

"There are millions of dollars spent every year by organizations that profit from not having any restraints on greenhouse gases."

And he struck a few jabs at the Bush administration for, in his opinion, not doing enough to combat the problem.

But Gore said the solutions are available, if people demand that they be put into effect.

"States like your state have taken the lead," Gore told a receptive crowd of more than 2,000. He cited Gov. Ted Kulongoski's recent overruling of the Legislature to direct the state to adopt California's tough emissions standards for cars and trucks by the end of the year.

It was a most welcome message to Oregon environmental activists, who expect a fight over the auto standards.

"If you pose a problem, it's really important to offer solutions," said Chris Hagenbaumer, with the Oregon Environmental Council. She said she hopes Gore's appearance will help raise awareness and support for local efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1126090517195010.xml&coll=7


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Re: Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4630324 - 09/07/05 04:43 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

"The crowds snaked around the corridors of the convention center, and those who were denied entry chanted and pounded on the doors until Gore agreed to do a second show. "


Gore/Clinton 2008.?.?.?


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Re: Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4631157 - 09/07/05 08:01 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

A couple of weeks ago a renouned global warming scientist Roger Pielke resigned from Bush's panel on Global Warmingtm. He was being censored because he attributes global warming more to land development and subsequent impacts on ocean and wind currents than to "greenhouse" gasses..as well as other "anthropogenic" factors.

You see, even the Bush administration knows that "greenhouse" global warming is a blockbuster political cornerstone. The public is being taken for a ride and most scientists who are not rabid environmentalists will tell you all about the current state of global warming research and the plethora of $funding$ available to anyone who tries to link it to greenhouse gasses.

Pielke's blog is here and it6 is VERY interesting.

Im not saying that warming is a phoney theory but there is MUCH to consider and it ends up being dumbed down by scientists who are understandably trying to get funding. Scientists need to eat too.


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Re: Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings [Re: Catalysis]
    #4631225 - 09/07/05 08:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

how does land development affect wind currents...even ocean currents?

is there a quick explanation?


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Re: Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings [Re: afoaf]
    #4631270 - 09/07/05 08:27 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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afoaf said:
how does land development affect wind currents...even ocean currents?

is there a quick explanation?




Basically, when humans change land by building or destroying it can shift wind and ocean currents, creating localized warming and cooling. This contributes to overall "climate change". However, Pielke does not deny *global* warming but it is his opinion that localized climate change impacts the environment much more.

This exerpt from Pielke's blog sheds some light on what he is talking about and im sure his references could provide more detail.

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On Climate Change


To add even more complication, global warming is only one component of climate change. As discussed in our July 28th blog (What is the Importance to Climate of Heterogeneous Spatial Trends in Tropospheric Temperatures?), it is the alteration of atmospheric and ocean circulations as a result of the diversity of climate forcings which have a larger impact on the climate that we experience, than can be described by the metric of the total climate system heat change. The climate forcing of land-use/land-cover change is just one example of such a climate forcing. As shown in a a variety of papers (e.g. see Chase et al. 2000 and Chase et al. 2001 ), there are large regional changes in weather patterns due to landscape change as simulated in the models with implications on whether a region warms or cools, and becomes wetter or drier over time. This occurs despite little global average heat changes associated with land-use/land-cover change, since areas of cooling balance with areas with warming. We can see the importance of atmospheric circulation changes in hurricane tracks. Whether the USA is pummeled by landfalling hurricanes such as Katrina or recurves offshore depends on the regional tropospheric wind field not a global average metric.


Thus we limit the communication to policymakers if we use climate change as a synonym for global warming. Global warming is just one aspect of a much more complicated environmental issue.




Edited by Catalysis (09/07/05 08:34 PM)


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Re: Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings [Re: Catalysis]
    #4631954 - 09/07/05 11:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I think Al Gore is correct. It's too bad he didn't do much to fix the problem during his 8 years in office.


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Re: Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4632000 - 09/07/05 11:18 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Thankfully he did not have 8 more years in office.

I agree the climate is changing. not sure if it is Bush's, or humans fault.

I remember reading this book called Pole Shift. lots of theories.

it talked about changing ocean currents and frozen mammoths. very interesting.


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We have "reckless fiscal policies"

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Re: Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4633750 - 09/08/05 02:12 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Think about all them pockets of 70 degree temperature for every single room in every single dwelling at least every 100ft in most of the world that was not there 100 yrs ago. Population has BOOMED in the recent decades. And every person wants his/her own pocket of 70 degree air during the wintertime. It is bound to have an effect sooner or later. And at the rate we are multiplying most likely sooner. There is defintely change comming, but will it be in 10 yrs or 100 is the question no one can answer for sure.


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Re: Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings [Re: Catalysis]
    #4634921 - 09/08/05 07:49 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

yeah...Reno's gotten considerably warmer in the winter
due to the valley being so developed...lots of blacktop
absorbing heat during the days...lots of cars and fireplaces.

interesting.


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Re: Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4637126 - 09/09/05 09:56 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

gore would have made a great pres...if he was a bit more charismatic he would have won by a such a large margin, the repubs couldnt even have cheated him out of it.


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Re: Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #4637135 - 09/09/05 10:08 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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gore would have made a great pres...if he was a bit more charismatic he would have won by a such a large margin, the repubs couldnt even have cheated him out of it.




The only good president is a dead one.  :evil:


Quote:

lonestar2004 said:
Thankfully he did not have 8 more years in office.

I agree the climate is changing. not sure if it is Bush's, or humans fault.

I remember reading this book called Pole Shift. lots of theories.

it talked about changing ocean currents  and frozen mammoths. very interesting.




It's obviously not one robot's fault. Climate changes have always happened and they will continue to happen. If anything global warming and land "development" will just increase the severity of the shift and overall temperature in hot climates. They're alot more entertaining natural disasters around they could study, like the Yellowstone supervolcano. When it erupts it's probably going to wipe out 3/4+ of the human population on Earth.  :evil: It's so much fun.


Edited by trick (09/09/05 10:10 AM)


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Re: Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4637154 - 09/09/05 10:18 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

what's really funny is Gore is probably like a messianic martyr
to the granola hippies of oregon.

seeing him speak must be tantamount to hearing Jerry one last time.


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Re: Crowd flocks to hear Gore's warnings [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4644056 - 09/11/05 12:38 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I think Al Gore is correct. It's too bad he didn't do much to fix the problem during his 8 years in office.




Exactly. Maybe there is more political gain in bitching about problems than actualy solving them. And like you said, he was the VP for 8 years and he realy did not do a damn thing about it while he had the power and influence to effect some kind of change on it.


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