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OfflineDivided_Sky
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Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ?
    #4630107 - 09/07/05 04:02 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

Will somebody give a factual explanation of this view beyond the belief that everything that Bush does is bad and everything bad that happens is because of Bush? Will somebody show me how responsibility belonged solely to him and he goofed up or was deliberately evil because he doesn't care about black people?


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4630116 - 09/07/05 04:05 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

It's Bush's fault, it's the governor's fault, it's the mayor's fault. It's an overall failure of government to prepare for a catastrophe for which they had plenty of advanced warning(much like 9/11).


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4630128 - 09/07/05 04:08 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

Pretty much


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4630134 - 09/07/05 04:10 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

Hmmm let's see, who appointed the head of FEMA, a crony with absolutely NO QUALIFICATIONS and was fired from his previous job judging horses" Whose fault was that?


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4630136 - 09/07/05 04:10 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

Paradigm, that seems like a more realistic appraisal, but does not explain why people aren't saying the Governor or Louisiana "Doesn't Care About Black People". Why is Bush the man to blame here for so many people?


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4630140 - 09/07/05 04:12 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

EVERYTHING is Bush's fault, period, since the beginning of time, til the end of time, EVERYTHING was/is/will be his fault.



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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4630143 - 09/07/05 04:12 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

Divided_Sky said:
Paradigm, that seems like a more realistic appraisal, but does not explain why people aren't saying the Governor or Louisiana "Doesn't Care About Black People". Why is Bush the man to blame here for so many people?



Because some people are simple-minded morons, much like the president they're criticizing.


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4630147 - 09/07/05 04:13 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

Don't forget all those who chose to move to New Orleans and the dumb asses who refused to leave (I don't mean those who were incapable of leaving).


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4630172 - 09/07/05 04:18 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

As Paradigm pointed out, it was an entire failure of the government, and guess who is the figurehead of the government? The figurehead will always take the criticisms, even if the failure occured at a level underneath him.


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4630213 - 09/07/05 04:25 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

I see. You attack a weak response while ducking a strong response to your question. Seems you do not truly want to discuss the issue.


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Ravus]
    #4630226 - 09/07/05 04:26 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

bush should of dammed the levies with his billions of dollars. Theres enough paper there to build an ark.


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4630329 - 09/07/05 04:44 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

http://www.blah3.com/article.php?story=20050903214041794&fark

I don't think he cares nothing about black people. I mean Rice and Powell are black.

I just don't think he gives a dam about THESE (black) people in particular.

I don't think all of this is his (Bush's) fault. More the fault of a system where all you need to be the leader of a country is have the right views on homosexuals. (Along with a slew of other equally trivial things)

I mean are any of the politicians and there rich crony's (mostly just people that are after cushy office day jobs, and power) actually the people we really want handling these situations? (Republican or Democrat)

I don't know what we could do better. But I know that this current system has alot of draw backs, and I think we are seeing alot of them manifest currently in New Orleans.


Edited by Anisotropic (09/07/05 04:45 PM)


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4630429 - 09/07/05 05:13 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

The whole mess shows how polerised and partisan American politics has become, beyond reason on all sides.

The Bush administration bares some responsibility, but not that majority, there is plenty blame to go around, the City, the state, the people, FEMA, the previous administrations, maybe even a butterfly somewhere.


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: psilomonkey]
    #4630463 - 09/07/05 05:21 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

Damn butterflys.  :pottymouth:


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Swami]
    #4630784 - 09/07/05 06:36 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

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Hmmm let's see, who appointed the head of FEMA, a crony with absolutely NO QUALIFICATIONS and was fired from his previous job judging horses" Whose fault was that?




What a dumb question.

Of course Bush bears the responsibility for that.

To address the original post, Bush is being blamed for a number of reasons.

1. Part of the blame is his to bear (rightfully).
2. As stated earlier, he is the figure-head of the government. Blame will tend to gravitate towards the president.
3. It is "in" to bash Bush. It is the new trend, and there's not anything cooler one can do.

I just hope that the majority of this blame is eventually put where it belongs, on the shoulders of Nagin and Blanco.


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4631037 - 09/07/05 07:36 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

Just what is it that you think is Bush's fault?

Louisiana is notorious for corruption. Federal funds sent there for levee improvements were redirected by the local officials. See this
http://www.mvn.usace.army.mil/pao/bcarre/pastflood.htm
for a history of levees. Note particularly this:

"The MRC's role grew with each flood, finally culminating in the Flood Control Act of 1917, which authorized the MRC to construct an extensive program of flood protection with cost-sharing by states and local interests."

Much money was sent by the feds but it was largely mishandled by the locals, when not outright stolen
http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?s=3145997

"It was just a matter of time before the bill was sent to the state following its handling of federal FEMA flood buyout monies. The government says more than 30 million was misspent by the state through the Office of Emergency Preparedness between 1997 and 2002. Three former high level employees of the office are under federal indictment for charges related to the handling of those FEMA."

And children, let us not forget our civics lessons. It is Congress that allocates funds and passes laws. The President has a certain amount of added clout but he is not a potentate. I have seen other reports, but will not go back any more to find them, that alluded to the fact that NO and the independant levee boards failed to qualify for matching federal funds which would have been available to them. I think I have linked enough.

Then we also have this to ponder. FEMA is not a first responder. Never was, never will be. Bush, to his never to be denied credit warned Nagin and Blanco that bad shit was coming and they had better get their people out. Short of invading the state he has no authority to do more until asked by the governor, who is the Commander in Chief of her National Guard. We have the reports of Nagin himself that the three of them met, Bush, Nagin and Barco on AF1 and Bush and Barco went off alone and discussed options, to which Barco responded she needed 24 hrs to think about it. Sorry I can't find the link now. Some others probably have it. I'll look later.

Just what do you want the man to do? If Bush had forcibly evacuated the town you would have decried him a fascist dictator. Fucking FEMA is not in charge until requested and then it takes some time. The fucking governor is turning out to look even worse than "school bus" Nagin.


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4631171 - 09/07/05 08:04 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

Bush DOES share some of the blame for the response of the government to the situation. First, he has delegated authority to incompetent people who do not have relevant experience or training. Secondly, Reservists and National Guard along with National Guard Equipment such as helicopters and deep water vehicles are in IRAQ, not LA. Many Reservists and National Guard are emergency personnel who were unavailable to respond because they were in IRAQ. Though there is no way of knowing what would have been available after Katrina passed, it is safe to assume that at least some of these resources would have been available had they not been performing the functions of empire (or if you want to use a euphemism, 'nation building' or 'world police agency'). Of course this does not relieve the Mayor (all those buses) or Governor of their share of responsibility. Let's face it, government on ALL levels was deficient and parasites from both wings (Democrat AND Republican) of the duopoly are culpable.

Tell me, had terrorists damaged the levees instead of mother nature, do you actually believe that your president would have been any more prepared, that your government would have actually performed it's most basic, primary function of protecting the people? I don't think so. The lessons of 9/11 and Katrina show that our government is incapable of protecting the people and those holding positions of power from both major political parties are more concerned with covering their sorry asses and the continuation of government instead of the welfare of the people.


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4631275 - 09/07/05 08:27 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

I think that the federal response has actually been good considering the circumstances. I think the major failings happened on the state and local levels. People just use it to take a cheap shot at Bush and lay all the blame on him and the feds. If anything, the Feds are the ones who did ANYTHING positive down there. They deserve credit and not blame.

Kudos to the feds for saving what was a horrible situation.


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4631401 - 09/07/05 08:56 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

Frankly I think it is the viewpoint of a child to expect complete and total protection from any eventuality. Most give up this illusion around 1st grade.

The differences between NY on 9/11 and NO is that the first responders were still there. The whole town was not wiped out. Conversely, NO had the opportunity to pre-respond. They were warned, immediately and for decades. They did nowhere near what they were supposed to do. Blanco is turning out to be more and more of a waffling retard than Nagin. This can't be good for Hillary.

Now that is an example of finding a silver lining in a cloud. I wonder how long it will take her to turn on Blanco big time.


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Re: Why is the New Orleans Crisis Bush's Fault ? [Re: JesusChrist]
    #4631412 - 09/07/05 08:58 PM (12 years, 14 days ago)

You have to admit the FEMA thing was a fucking mess. I'm still trying to figure out how some of the higher-ups got the positions they did.


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