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fathertracy
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First time trip? Some help?
#4628658 - 09/07/05 01:28 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am interested in trying mushrooms for the first time, and have a few questions/concerns. Firstly, let me give you some background information about myself?
I drink alcohol at parties and whatnot and handle it fine. I handle that altered state (although not necessarily comparable to mushrooms) just fine. I cannot, however, smoke pot. Generally when I do I get very paranoid, and just want it to be over. There have been times where I thought it would never end, and was distressed. However, sometimes I can smoke weed and enjoy it? This usually happens when I smoke reg weed, and not very much of it. I feel like my problem smoking weed is I get too high, or smoke too good of pot.
So, I don?t know if that has any bearing on the situation, but I?m not good at handling pot. Do you guys think that is in any way indicative of how I will react to a powerful psychedelic like mushrooms? I also have a tendency to over-analyze things when I?m high? To think too deep into things, which sometimes makes me scare myself. Example: ?My heart is racing. Shit. Am I going to die? Maybe I?m about to have a heart attack. Etc. etc.?
Also, I?m thinking the first time I take them I will take very little. I?m thinking 2 grams, which is just over 1/16th of an ounce. (PLEASE correct me if I?m wrong.) I don?t want a really intense trip for my first time ? I just more so want to get a feel for it. Do you all think that is a reasonable amount for my desired intensity? Also, as I am very inexperienced I don?t own a scale capable of measuring such small amounts. Generally, how many dried mushrooms would weigh about 2 grams, or 1/16th? Could a person (reasonably) freak out, or have a bad trip on such a low dose?
And lastly, I have just moved into a dorm room. I do not feel completely at home here just yet. Do you think it would be smarter to wait until I am more adjusted to take mushrooms? I have read so much emphasis on the setting, that I thought I should ask. I don?t necessarily feel safe here, because I know if I started to freak out, the people in the rooms around mine would be alerted to it, and I could possibly get in trouble with an R.A. or other things.
Thanks so much for your time, any help is appreciated.
Ryan
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: fathertracy]
#4628669 - 09/07/05 01:33 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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i dunno if i would do mushrooms just yet if i was you. if you have problems with pot, i would think you would have problems with mushrooms as well. mushrooms are way more intense and your mind racing and thinking deeply on things is way more intense on them than marijuana. thast just my opinion
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: fathertracy]
#4628674 - 09/07/05 01:34 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am working on a reply, but it'll take a while to compile all the links and stuff. Please be patient.
Good questions.
Welcome to The Shroomery...
RESEARCH is key. Don't hurry into this. Wait for replies, get a BIGGER picture, read a book or two on the subject... Follow the Tripper's FAQ link in my signature line. Look at the LINKS at the top of this forum, and make yourself at home.
Feel free to ask more questions, I'm gonna' work on that post.
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: LedHead]
#4628677 - 09/07/05 01:35 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't fair well with pot either. I mean a bowl or two and im feeling good...but past that point my body gets very very physically uncomfortable and I get somewhat of panic attacks.
But LSD/mushrooms/ecstasy/2c-i/dxm..etc...never provided that same problem. Lol, fucking Marijuana.
Just start off slow.
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: rainbowlight]
#4628723 - 09/07/05 02:01 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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[To think too deep into things, which sometimes makes me scare myself. Example: ?My heart is racing. Shit. Am I going to die? Maybe I?m about to have a heart attack. Etc. etc.?]
This can be a serious problem on psychedelics. If I were you I would start with taming marijuana. Learn how to distract yourself from unsettling thoughts. On psychedelics those demons can grow to a gigantic size. On the other hand mushrooms are friendly and helpful teachers. Thinking too much on psychedelics usually isn't to good. Best ideas and thoughts appear out of nothing when you meditate. Just lay back and try to empty your mind from thoughts and interpretations. When you think too much you are on a straight way to very fucked up situation.
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: fathertracy]
#4628747 - 09/07/05 02:14 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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fathertracy said:
I drink alcohol at parties and whatnot and handle it fine. I handle that altered state (although not necessarily comparable to mushrooms) just fine.
OK, if you are familiar with drinking alcohol, you will have the sense of the DURATION of a shroom trip. A trip lasts about as long as a less-than-puking, but-woah-I'm-fucked-up... drunk.
Once it is in your blood, it must work its way out.
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fathertracy said:I cannot, however, smoke pot. Generally when I do I get very paranoid, and just want it to be over. There have been times where I thought it would never end, and was distressed. However, sometimes I can smoke weed and enjoy it? This usually happens when I smoke reg weed, and not very much of it. I feel like my problem smoking weed is I get too high, or smoke too good of pot.
So, I don?t know if that has any bearing on the situation, but I?m not good at handling pot. Do you guys think that is in any way indicative of how I will react to a powerful psychedelic like mushrooms? I also have a tendency to over-analyze things when I?m high? To think too deep into things, which sometimes makes me scare myself. Example: ?My heart is racing. Shit. Am I going to die? Maybe I?m about to have a heart attack. Etc. etc.?
Some can toke, some can't. Although experience mellows the pot buzz significantly. If you only toke on RARE occasions, chances are you ALWAYS get VERY stoned, and that is not always enjoyable. I am not encouraging you to toke more often, just telling you what I know.
Pot shares SOME things in common with mushrooms, but not all. I know MANY trippers who HATE pot, or just don't enjoy it.
That said, I do find pot to be a GREAT way to test your MINDSET (see the set and setting #15 link below)... when you are learning to trip. As you research and study tripping, you may wish to TEST RUN with marijuana... to see if you handle it better. I assure you, PROPER TRIPPING TECHNIQUE, which is explained in great detail in many of these links provided below, will make your marijuana experiences more enjoyable... and the problems you encounter on pot, may predict some of the obstacles you might encounter during your actual trip.
You mention thinking too much, and your heart racing, fear of death. These ALL are POSITIVE things once you know what is happening to your mind.
Mushrooms, and to a lesser extent, pot, reduce the hold your EGO has over your thoughts. This is THE WORST PART, until you understand WHY this is happening (FAQ links (#31 and 32)
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fathertracy said: Also, I?m thinking the first time I take them I will take very little. I?m thinking 2 grams, which is just over 1/16th of an ounce. (PLEASE correct me if I?m wrong.) I don?t want a really intense trip for my first time ? I just more so want to get a feel for it. Do you all think that is a reasonable amount for my desired intensity? Also, as I am very inexperienced I don?t own a scale capable of measuring such small amounts. Generally, how many dried mushrooms would weigh about 2 grams, or 1/16th? Could a person (reasonably) freak out, or have a bad trip on such a low dose?
How much should you take your first time(FAQ #5 and #6)?
I think 2g is a bit TOO MUCH. Start small, if you have enough shrooms. If you ONLY have 2g, I suppose you should risk an intense trip, and take 'em all. Otherwise, get your sea legs first. .75g-1.5g is what I suggest for your first time... And no more than 1.5g until you have either FULLY tripped (at 1.5g) twice, or have NOT tripped on 1.5, 3 consecutive times.
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fathertracy said:And lastly, I have just moved into a dorm room. I do not feel completely at home here just yet. Do you think it would be smarter to wait until I am more adjusted to take mushrooms? I have read so much emphasis on the setting, that I thought I should ask. I don?t necessarily feel safe here, because I know if I started to freak out, the people in the rooms around mine would be alerted to it, and I could possibly get in trouble with an R.A. or other things.
This one is simple.
If you have a trip sitter off campus, go there. STAY indoors.
Otherwise, just DON'T FREAK OUT. MAKE IT YOUR HOME. Do your research... dose RESPONSIBLY, have some good music at your fingertips, and only leave your room in case of emergency... or after you TRUST in your ability to act, "Normal" enough.
Here are some KEY links from the Tripper's FAQ and Essential Links section.
DO NOT TRIP UNTIL YOU HAVE READ: The Psychedelic Experience
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Mushroom Dosage Calculator
Toxicology of Mushrooms
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Deepman's Psychedelic Library: MP3's Guided Trips, music and speeches by Tim Leary, Albert Hoffman, Terrance McKenna... The Grateful Dead and many other tripper friendly MP3's Deepman, Learyfan (among others) have shared a lot of classic MP3's and Video with all of us. Follow this link, if you want something to listen to, or watch especially during a trip. There are also, MANY links to great Tripping Literature.
Handbook of Therapeutic use of LSD 25 Although it was formulated around LSD psychotherapy it offers valuable insights to the aspiring psychonaut. Well, there it is... start reading! A Beginner's Approach to Psychedelic Mushrooms
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: Rose]
#4628752 - 09/07/05 02:22 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot, I really appreciate all of the information! Do you have any idea roughly how many dried shrooms would weigh in your projected safe range (assuming they were average size)? I really just do not want to take too much the first time.
Also, I'm thinking of buying an eighth, or atleast that's what's been offered. The person is saying between 25-35 dollars. Is that a reasonable rate?
Thanks so much, I appreciate all the help.
Ryan
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: fathertracy]
#4628757 - 09/07/05 02:33 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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That rate sounds average. Although you could start cultivating for the price of a quarter oz (NOT IN THE DORMS).
If you get an eighth, eat one fourth of the eighth (for a .75-ish trip), or the smaller half (for a 1.5-ish trip), and, either way, you will be within the safe range. Otherwise, use a coin to weigh your stuff. There's info on that somewhere. Try the search function... I know you can weigh shrooms with a hangar, or something... and some coins.
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: Rose]
#4628786 - 09/07/05 03:22 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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>>Otherwise, use a coin to weigh your stuff. There's info on that somewhere.
cent = 2.500 gm nickel = 5.00 gm dime = 2.268 gm quarter = 5.670 gm
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: veggie]
#4628854 - 09/07/05 05:28 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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exist in the realm of low doses for your drugs. face it, youre a lightweight. i used to be like that with pot cause i chose to quit every fall/spring for hs sports.. 1-3hits pot max. 1.5-2g shrooms max...
though im beyond those bounds by now of course
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: veggie]
#4629737 - 09/07/05 12:08 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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veggie said: >>Otherwise, use a coin to weigh your stuff. There's info on that somewhere.
cent = 2.500 gm nickel = 5.00 gm dime = 2.268 gm quarter = 5.670 gm
But how would I go about weighing them? I understand that essentially if I wanted to take 1.5 grams, or close to 1/16th it would weigh less than a penny. But, how would I weigh the cent and the mushrooms? Is there some type of makeshift scale I can put together? I dont think I could hold the penny in one hand and the mushrooms in the other and really try to make them weigh close to the same amount with any accuracy.
Thanks so much, Ryan
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: fathertracy]
#4630124 - 09/07/05 02:07 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Half of an eighth would be 1.75g... divide the eighth in half, then... pick the SMALLER half. You'll be right around 1.5g... and well under 2g.
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: Rose]
#4631181 - 09/07/05 06:05 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think pot and shrooms are very different. The difficulty with weed is paranoia and anxiety, but with shrooms it's more of keeping your thoughts from going out of control in negative areas. With shrooms you won't feel as disoriented, edgey or paranoid, but because psilocybin is a mental amplifier negative sitmuli and thoughts multiply exponentially if you dwell on them or panic. That is why set and setting are CRUCIALLY important. You will become very sensitive to your environment so be in a place away from any unpleasant things and have lots of happy things around you. You also need to know how to remind yourself to keep calm, that it's only a drug, it wears of eventually, of the dose you took (to avoid fear of the trip growing too strong), and accept whatever happens.
Anxiety is one thing, but if you let your mind play tricks on you and cannot reassure yourself or stay calm you should not trip. You need to be grounded.
Do Not Trip In Your Dorm Room!
I have a harder time feeling good with weed, especially when very stoned. Shrooms are easier for me, but I also recognize they CAN be more dangerous if I'm not careful and if I don't stay calm and rational.
With 1.75-2grams you won't have to worry about losing touch with physical reality, thinking that you body is melting or you or sick, or whatever, but the mental trip is still pretty crazy. Always remember, shrooms won't poison you, kill you or make you permenantly crazy. Even if you FEEL crazy, everything is pretty much normal back in the ordinary world (with maybe a little nausea and drowsiness). Never panic.
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: Divided_Sky]
#4631626 - 09/07/05 07:35 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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^Divided_Sky just gave some very good advice.
I'll just add that pot makes me ultra-paranoid and anxious, whereas mushrooms generally relax me, or maybe "unwind" is a better word. Of course, they also cause me to trip out. I call it a brain rinse. -Refreshing.
Ideally, find a shroombuddy, and a place to go where you have no cause to worry, and just take your time. If negative thoughts start pervading your consciousness, then I recommend that you don't think.
A whole lot of info and advice is being thrown at you, which is good--but only to the extent that it isn't perpetuating your fear of and tendency towards anxious rumination, or overthinking. You do not want to enter shroom-land with a boatload of detailed expectations or assumptions based on what other people told you about their experiences. And there's a way in which you can place too much importance on the thing.
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: Land_Crab]
#4631713 - 09/07/05 07:51 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I find that I only spiral out of control on shrooms when I smoke some weed along with them. On my straight mushroom trips, I never get out of control. Last time, I even tried to think some negative thoughts but I couldn't.
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I've seen the Pot vs. Shrooms debate in my years here, many times, and I have discovered something. Stoners like pot... others do not.
Most pot smokers even enjoy toking DURING a shroom trip. Non-tokers do not.
If you don't like pot, you don't like pot.
Shrooms are not pot.
This does not change the fact that you can practice your tripping technique and work on your tripping mindset, or even have mini-trips on pot. Set and setting HEAVILY influence a n00b marajuana experience.
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: Rose]
#4632494 - 09/07/05 11:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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man you just gotta LET GO. If you cant do that stoned you shouldnt eat mushrooms! just my opinion...
the mind questions, the spirit accepts
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: EquilibriuM]
#4632502 - 09/07/05 11:31 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Not true, my friend.
Several community members, Mods and Admins here at The SHROOMERY, do not enjoy pot.
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: Rose]
#4632673 - 09/08/05 12:07 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wow, so tonight I got really really stoned. And I started to kind of get paranoid and dis-like it, until I just talked myself into the fact that I'll be OK. And I just decided to flow with it, and let it happen, and I'm actually having a really good time. I see what you mean about practicing your mindset with pot.
I suppose I could use the same methods of "grounding" myself on mushrooms. Thanks for all the information so far.
Ryan
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Re: First time trip? Some help? [Re: fathertracy]
#4632680 - 09/08/05 12:09 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good to know it worked for you. Once you recognize mindset in action, you are well on your way to being ready.
Thanks for the update.
Oh, and if you DO trip, you better let us know how it goes.
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