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MJF said:
Ok so there is no meaning?

Now what? Nihilism goes nowhere....finding a meaning...even if it is not real....lets us go somewhere.

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Let us go somewhere indeed! Why not go get high? Or we can look for God.

But it doesn't matter, because no matter where we go, in the end humans almost always fall into the same grain of conformity. As long as you follow others, and believe what others say without questioning it, meaning will be all around you. You can find meaning in any cult or any street corner if you're thirsty enough for it; those with higher taste will go to Kabbalah and dead sects of modern religions.

Where would you go anyway? Where do you expect your thoughts to take you? Nihilism has no purpose, it's true; the primates around us will make up enough purpose to clog the air with its stench even in the most remote areas of the human mind.

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Ravus said:
Sometimes I feel like I've been dropped into a world of mindless sheep. They say to me, "Why not worship the Great Sheep in the Sky? We are more than animals, after all!"

Life is really amazing, isn't it? Billions of years of Darwinism in the making, and from this we get a brain and a short-lived experience. People squander this short-lived experience, like going down a grocery list: 20 years of schooling filled with teenage angst, 40 years of working filled with Zoloft and Viagra, 15 years of bitching about holes in failing organic structure of the animal, and then it ends. They've wasted their whole existence; not that it matters, as there's no way not to waste it, because it has no meaning. There's nothing we're supposed to be doing here besides reproducing, and as long as the human species continues, we can be as unhappy and miserable as we want, but all that matters is that new unhappy maggots will soon roam the planet.

People try to fill the void with "meaning", despite the fact that they lack any evidence. For any mind even liberated with a small drop of Nihilism, the minds ask the people for evidence. "How do you know there is a Great Sheep in the Sky with sheep-like emotions? Isn't that a coincidence, to the extent of being a major lie?" They make up an answer, and continue to not care about evidence; this will at first baffle the Nihilist until he realizes what the purpose of the Sheep's delusions are. The Sheep doesn't want evidence, or logic, or science; he has enough of that in everyday reality, and all it does is create hopelessness in his primate mind. The only thing the Sheep wants from spirituality and God is a permanent fix; when you begin to realize this, religion will make a lot more sense. The heroin addict will defend his addiction to the bloody end, because what does he have to go back to anyway? Real life? As if that matters! He's found an answer, despite any lack of evidence; and to him, the answer of heroin is completely real, and when others criticize it, he'll react arrogantly. "You don't understand! Live with me a month, see the beauty of heroin and you'll change your ways, Nihilist!"

But it's not just religion; this fix extends to almost all endeavors of the Sheep. The Sheep will constantly put "meaning" into everything, because the only true purpose of their lives otherwise is short-sighted reproduction for natural selection. They say, "Evidence has shown us evolution! Death to evidence! I want happiness!" And then the Sheep will often create art with messages of hope, create philosophy that doesn't adhere to logic or reality, but still tries to give the other sheep hope. But humans are animals, and I wouldn't expect much more from animals; animals don't need knowledge as long as they have an answer, no matter how pseudoscientific and illogical it may be.

No matter how much these hairless monkeys progress, I think all the Sheep will look for a fix or two. A Nihilist is probably also looking for a fix in Nihilism; it's not like there's any meaning beyond it. There's nothing wrong with killing people, or destroying the earth, or letting the universe die, because anything that can be done is right and regulated by reality. No one's going to stop the gun from going off if you want to kill your enemy because it's entirely permissible, even natural, for the human condition. The fact that we can do something makes it entirely right! What would that do for the discussions on good and evil?

Isn't it odd to some people that religion even needs "Commandments" and "Laws" for their Sheep to follow? I mean, if there is a Higher Power, then something should happen when we try to kill another temporary monkey. Instead, all that happens is a flash of light, a loud bang and spurt of water filled with solutes. Is this "wrong"? If it's wrong, how come we can do it, and the only penalty we receive is from other Sheep like us? Not even the non-hairless monkey animals care; they seem to have realized, in their more primitive brains, that right and wrong don't exist. All that matters is whether you can do an action, and if you can do it, then it is wrong only by Sheepish standards.

Just my take on life. 

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Ravus said:
I usually don't assume I'm a sheep not because I'm really any different, but because to my knowledge I'm not actually following anyone as a sheep. I find Nietzsche and other's interesting, but I disagree with the majority of what these philosophers say, and in actuality I have no Jesus or Buddha that I look to for guidance.

I look at most humans as sheep who get distracted from our pointless existence by religions and spiritualities lacking evidence; I'm simply a human who gets distracted a human's pointless existence by looking into evidence and the simplest explanation (which is Nihilism). Either way, as I said in my post, I don't think they're wrong because if they can take that path, they will take that path; religion and spirituality are possibly the easiest paths to happiness out there. There's no more of that pesky logic needed; all you need to do is put faith in a Higher Power and voila! Life gains meaning like never before! You can even go through torture and crufixion and still forgive your enemies if you're deeply enough entrenched in this suspension of reality; the deeper the suspension of reality, the more shocks you have to absorb the impact when reality really starts to hit you.

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Is this "wrong"? If it's wrong, how come we can do it, and the only penalty we receive is from other Sheep like us?

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Ravus said:
There's nothing we're supposed to be doing here besides reproducing, and as long as the human species continues, we can be as unhappy and miserable as we want, but all that matters is that new unhappy maggots will soon roam the planet.

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MJF said:
Ok so there is no meaning?

Now what? Nihilism goes nowhere....finding a meaning...even if it is not real....lets us go somewhere.

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MJF said:
Ok so there is no meaning?

Now what? Nihilism goes nowhere....finding a meaning...even if it is not real....lets us go somewhere.

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Move on to Epicureanism. Enjoy the void.

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