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InvisibleAlex213
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NO rape stories urban myths?
    #4625294 - 09/06/05 01:21 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm...so some doofus fresh from Iraq was given the right to shoot and kill people in New Orleans based on nothing more than a bunch of tall tales?

Murder and rape - fact or fiction?

Gary Younge in Baton Rouge
Tuesday September 6, 2005
The Guardian


There were two babies who had their throats slit. The seven-year-old girl who was raped and murdered in the Superdome. And the corpses laid out amid the excrement in the convention centre.
In a week filled with dreadful scenes of desperation and anger from New Orleans following Hurricane Katrina some stories stood out.

But as time goes on many remain unsubstantiated and may yet prove to be apocryphal.

New Orleans police have been unable to confirm the tale of the raped child, or indeed any of the reports of rapes, in the Superdome and convention centre.

New Orleans police chief Eddie Compass said last night: "We don't have any substantiated rapes. We will investigate if the individuals come forward."

And while many claim they happened, no witnesses, survivors or survivors' relatives have come forward.
Nor has the source for the story of the murdered babies, or indeed their bodies, been found. And while the floor of the convention centre toilets were indeed covered in excrement, the Guardian found no corpses.

"There is nothing to correct wild reports that armed gangs have taken over the convention centre," wrote Associated Press writer, Allen Breed.

"You can report them but you at least have to say they are unsubstantiated and not pass them off as fact," said one Baltimore-based journalist.

"But nobody is doing that."

Either way these rumours have had an effect.

Reports of the complete degradation and violent criminals running rampant in the Superdome suggested a crisis that both hastened the relief effort and demonised those who were stranded.

By the end of last week the media in Baton Rouge reported that evacuees from New Orleans were carjacking and that guns and knives were being seized in local shelters where riots were erupting.

The local mayor responded accordingly.

"We do not want to inherit the looting and all the other foolishness that went on in New Orleans," Kip Holden was told the Baton Rouge Advocate.

"We do not want to inherit that breed that seeks to prey on other people."

The trouble, wrote Howard Witt of the Chicago Tribune is that "scarcely any of it was true - the police confiscated a single knife from a refugee in one Baton Rouge shelter".

"There were no riots in Baton Rouge. There were no armed hordes."

Similarly when the first convoy of national guardsmen went into New Orleans approached the convention centre they were ordered to "lock and load".

But when they arrived they were confronted not by armed mobs but a nurse wearing a T-shirt that read "I love New Orleans".

"She ran down a broken escalator, then held her hands in the air when she saw the guns," wrote the LA Times.

"We have sick kids up here!" she shouted.

"We have dehydrated kids! One kid with sickle cell!"






http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,,1563470,00.html


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Re: NO rape stories urban myths? [Re: Alex213]
    #4625382 - 09/06/05 01:40 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
Hmm...so some doofus fresh from Iraq was given the right to shoot and kill people in New Orleans based on nothing more than a bunch of tall tales?

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some doofus? thats just silly. did anyone actually get shot by the national guard?  and the people shooting at hospitals and rescue workers were tall tales also?    :thumbdown:


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Re: NO rape stories urban myths? [Re: roby000]
    #4625404 - 09/06/05 01:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Just makes me a little uneasy when authorities are so keen to allow people to be shot without trial.


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Re: NO rape stories urban myths? [Re: Alex213]
    #4625409 - 09/06/05 01:48 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

yeah man i understand how that could be scary, however its not the guy holding the gun hes just some kid who is barely 19 doing what hes told, its the doofus in washinton that is scary.


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Re: NO rape stories urban myths? [Re: roby000]
    #4625423 - 09/06/05 01:52 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Fair enough roby.


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Re: NO rape stories urban myths? [Re: Alex213]
    #4625439 - 09/06/05 01:56 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

How were they suppose to handle the situation where the engineers working on the levees were getting shot at?

Were they suppose to pull away from the job and wait for the police to apprehend them and put them in jail? The jail houses are flooded in NO by the way.
had they done that, then people would be bitching "Where is the government and why are they not fixxing the levees."

Fuck it, they got tired of holding back aide to not shoot at those hindering it so they started shooting back so relief efforts could keep flowing. I'm all for it.

The police didn't have to confirm the rape and arrest and jail the dome rapists. The people staying in their beat his ass to death first. Case closed and justice had been served by the people of the dome for the people of the dome.

Like they want it to come out to the public that dome evacuees were being raped and stabbed. It will just give cause into an investigastion as to why the people in their did not have police protection in the first place. The police will end up on trial. I'd bury it too if I were them, if I could, if I was responcible for keeping guard and order there.


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Re: NO rape stories urban myths? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4625452 - 09/06/05 02:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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The police didn't have to confirm the rape and arrest and jail the dome rapists. The people staying in their beat his ass to death first. Case closed and justice had been served by the people of the dome for the people of the dome. [/quot]


says you.


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Re: NO rape stories urban myths? [Re: afoaf]
    #4625482 - 09/06/05 02:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

afoaf,

If they can now find the people involved who are now scattered throughout Texas and God knows where and the bodies of the victims and put a case together, what next? Who will they try? The vigilanties for beating to death the rapist in their? They won't talk and incriminate themselves. The cops who didn't protect them in the first place? They won't talk and incriminate themselves.

Like I said and says me is right, the case was closed.


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Re: NO rape stories urban myths? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4625577 - 09/06/05 02:41 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Your response indicates that once again you
have missed the point.

Have you ever played telephone?

One person says something and passes it on
to someone else.

By the end, it's completely skewed, barely
resembling the original statement.

Plenty of reports have come out saying that
they have recovered no babies with throats
slit, no bodies in the bathroom...none of
that shit.

The fact of the matter is that during a hysteric
event like this, a bunch of shit will come out,
some real, some fake.

If it did happen that way, great, done deal. No
argument there.

But, more likely than not, it didn't even happen.

My point is that you puppeting every tidbit you
got from CNN doesn't necessarily make it any more
true or just.


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Re: NO rape stories urban myths? [Re: afoaf]
    #4625612 - 09/06/05 02:52 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

That's right!

Frankly, I think CNN is not reporting the worst of it. Some times "misrepresenting the truth" is done in the form of leaving stuff out.

I didn't see anything on the news about babies throats being slit. I think that one falls under the telephone line rumor mill. Maybe not.

I think more crazy shit happened then we will ever get confirmed once the dusts settles.

Maybe if any of it is telephone line over exageration it is serving a good purpose. Maybe it will set a fire under peoples asses the next time they are told to evacuate. Maybe next time, those with kids will move fucken mountains to get them out of such a zone "just in case, the rumors were true".


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Re: NO rape stories urban myths? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4625682 - 09/06/05 03:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I believe the story about the guy found in the convention center who had taken acid and believed he was a glass of orange juice is true.


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Re: NO rape stories urban myths? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4625684 - 09/06/05 03:11 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

for the record, OJ is guilty.


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Re: NO rape stories urban myths? [Re: Alex213]
    #4625720 - 09/06/05 03:21 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
I believe the story about the guy found in the convention center who had taken acid and believed he was a glass of orange juice is true.




:lol:

Sure is easier to beleive what we can relate too. Hard to relate to mind set some of the people would have to be in if some of these stories are true that were not filmed. I saw footage of ambulances being tippd over and I still can't relate to the mind that would do that.

Afoaf, I am enjoying these discussions with you ya know. I realise that oppositioning and further questioning brings more out and thats a good thing. I do it with myself in my own mind-challenge things and reasoning that is.

Like I said, with what I type publically, i'd rather support the side of erroring on them being true for the future preventions sake if they are.


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