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InvisibleAlex213
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Looters "redistributing wealth"
    #4622365 - 09/05/05 02:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The devastation wrought on the Gulf Coast by Hurricane Katrina is clearly evident three days after the winds started blowing and the journalists scampered out from their hotels. Most of New Orleans is under water. The Mississippi and Alabama coasts are obliterated. The situation in New Orleans is dire as thousands of people struggle to survive and get out of the worsening toxic cesspool that the city is becoming.

In the midst of all of this pain and misery, the media and the authorities have decided that the central story now is the looting and "lawlessness" that are taking place around the city. The poor, mostly black, victims of Hurricane Katrina are being blamed for their response to the situation. Their logical response to having the homes and neighborhoods destroyed is understandable given that this disaster has been happening for a long time in their neighborhoods and lives. The ongoing disaster that they are reacting to is the catastrophe known as capitalism.

The media knows that playing up the looting on TV plays well in Peoria. Comfortable middle class white people watch the New Orleans situation on TV and resort to simplistic Christian judgments about right and wrong. Some of them understand that the "looters" have a moral right to take food and medicine, but they seize on news that looters have taken guns and TVs as evidence that the looters are bad people. The authorities help reinforce these beliefs with their constant pontification about how looters will be punished. This morning the authorities are further demonizing the poor people of New Orleans by suspending rescue efforts because some person fired at a Coast Guard rescue worker. We all know that if some white dude in a rich neighborhood that was under water fired at rescue workers the rescue effort would continue uninterrupted.

What exactly is so evil about taking a package of Pampers or some cans of food from a Winn-Dixie or a Wal-Mart store? These people are trying to survive in neighborhoods that are under water, with no services of any kind. Are the rescue workers, the media, or the state dropping pampers and bottled water into the flooded neighborhoods of New Orleans? Are the on-the-scene Fox News anchors putting down their microphones, rolling up their sleeves, and helping rescue people?

The media and authorities' obsession with looting is racist, capitalist and simply inhumane. What difference does it make what people take from the stores near their neighborhoods? They have no access to food, clean water, diapers, medicine, shoes, liquor, cigarettes and all the things that they need to get through this crisis. It's not like these corporate grocery stores are going to go bankrupt because hungry people clear out an inventory that will have to be destroyed once the waters recede. People are "dumpster-diving" from stores who are insured, well capitalized, and which will have to throw away all of their stock anyway.

The Government Can't Help You

The failure of the American state to respond to this tragedy is abundantly clear at this point. In its typical fashion, the state will turn the situation into a circus before the capitalist profiteers move in. On Friday, American president George W. Bush will fly into New Orleans to perform a photo op while some residents of New Orleans are still trapped in their attics. Many poor residents will be dying as Bush speaks useless words about the catastrophe. The hungry and wet people won't be fed by Bush's visit, but perhaps if he falls out of a helicopter while surveying the damage, the residents can make a good jambalaya with the presidential corpse. Meanwhile, there are reports that Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice was laughing it up last night at a production in New York City of 'Spamalot'.

The catastrophe in New Orleans once again demonstrates the inability of the state to take care of its subjects, especially its poorest citizens. For all of the talk about "homeland security" over the past few years, very little homeland security was available for the residents of New Orleans. There are reports now about how the government cut back on programs that would have helped New Orleans weather this disaster. The immediate response by rescue workers was hampered by the fact that the Louisiana National Guard is stuck in Iraq, fighting and losing an imperialist war staged by Bush and his Halliburton cronies. The evacuation plan worked for middle and upper class people with cars, but apparently there was no effort to bus poor people out of the city as Hurricane Katrina approached.

If there is a silver lining in this ongoing tragedy, it involves the small acts of mutual aid being done by New Orleans residents for each other. This includes people rescuing people from flooded houses, people helping move sick people to dry ground, people sharing food and materials with each other, and much more. In times of natural or manmade disasters, humans have shown time and time again their ability to help each other out via mutual aid. These responses play out organically and can't be organized by the state. In many instances, the state's efforts interfere with this mutual aid and make situations worse. It's pretty clear in New Orleans that the state totally failed the poor residents of the city.

Looting is not a problem in New Orleans right now. People have a right to take what they need to survive. Even if they take things that aren't needed for survival, those of us watching from the comfort of our dry homes have no reason to complain about these actions. Finally, let's remember that looting is a form of wealth redistribution. When rich people loot, they call it capitalism, good business practices, third quarter dividends, the new economy and "giving people job." When your neighborhood is under water and there are no relief services in sight, taking diapers from a Wal-Mart is not a criminal or immoral act.

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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: Alex213]
    #4622489 - 09/05/05 02:50 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
The poor, mostly black, victims of Hurricane Katrina are being blamed for their response to the situation. Their logical response to having the homes and neighborhoods destroyed is understandable given that this disaster has been happening for a long time in their neighborhoods and lives. The ongoing disaster that they are reacting to is the catastrophe known as capitalism.





I can sense an impartial and fair article coming up that has absolutely no ideological bias...  :rotfl:

Whenever something like this happens, ideological windbags from every corner are going to come out and try to spin things to support their view of the world.  The racists are screaming, "Look at how uncivilized black people are!".  The Leftists are screaming, "It's all the fault of capitalism and a racist government!".  When these commentators use this tragedy as a platform to push shrill, tired, and cliche dogma, it just turns me off.

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The media knows that playing up the looting on TV plays well in Peoria. Comfortable middle class white people watch the New Orleans situation on TV and resort to simplistic Christian judgments about right and wrong.





God...this person doesn't even try to disguise their acidic Leftism do they?  How predictable was it that they would resort to "middle-class white people with SUV's living pampered lives are terrible" class warfare attacks?  They also didn't forget to throw the anti-religious statement in there to prove their extreme Leftist street cred.

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The media and authorities' obsession with looting is racist, capitalist and simply inhumane.





I disagree.  The looting and the violence happened.  Why not admit that and try to stop it?  I view the men that raped women and the armed gangs that victimized innocent people as being inhumane.


Edited by RandalFlagg (09/05/05 03:12 PM)


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4622609 - 09/05/05 03:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

can sense an impartial and fair article coming up that has absolutely no ideological bias...

You're getting warm... :smile:

God...this person doesn't even try to disguise their acidic Leftism do they?

Nope, I kinda like the kid.

I view the men that raped women and the armed gangs that victimized innocent people as being inhumane.

Me too. I don't view the looters as inhumane tho.


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: Alex213]
    #4622685 - 09/05/05 03:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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This morning the authorities are further demonizing the poor people of New Orleans by suspending rescue efforts because some person fired at a Coast Guard rescue worker. We all know that if some white dude in a rich neighborhood that was under water fired at rescue workers the rescue effort would continue uninterrupted.







umm... no.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: Alex213]
    #4622815 - 09/05/05 04:16 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, there was no-one in the stores to take their money for food, no food stored for them for the hurricane, no food being delivered.

So they were supposed to sit there and starve because it's the "official" thing to do?

Fucking governments are so blind to reality..


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: roby000]
    #4622872 - 09/05/05 04:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

anybody here actually click this link? You know the title Pinocchial left out? That's OK, I'll give it here.

In Praise of Looting
Blaming Katrina's victims for not being rich

By Harry Looter
For Infoshop News
(news.infoshop.org)
September 1, 2005

Further we have this beginning that Pinocchial left out

"The Iberville Housing Projects got pissed off because the police started to "shop" after they kicked out looters. Then they started shooting at cops. When the cops left, the looters looted everything. There's probably not a grocery left in this city."
http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

As has been stated in numerous threads in this forum nobody gives a fuck if they take food. Hell, it's all going to shit anyway. It's the fuckers stealing jewelry and TVs and Gameboys etc. that need to be shot. And the rapists. And the killers. And the cops that did the same.

A note of hilarity, the projects got pissed off because the cops got there first. Like the fucking losers hadn't been given everything they ever had anyway.

A further note, white black pink blue, you name it, the behaviour is what's at issue. To condemn it because a black did it is not one whit less racist than to excuse it because a black did it. Get it?


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4622952 - 09/05/05 04:53 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The governor of Louisiana said something like "I don't condone looting of groceries, but I understand it."

That's stupid. If no food was otherwise available then it's just basic survival to take food that IS available.

The governor should have condoned it as well.


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4622961 - 09/05/05 04:56 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

oh and the cops that turned in thier badges should be treated as deserters


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: roby000]
    #4623012 - 09/05/05 05:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

As a palliative to the relentless bile of Pinocchial and his gang of nitwits I offer Bill Wittle

"Only a few minutes ago, I had the delightful opportunity to read the comment of a fellow who said he wished that white, middle-class, racist, conservative cocksuckers like myself could have been herded into the Superdome Concentration Camp to see how much we like it. Absent, of course, was the fundamental truth of what he plainly does not have the eyes or the imagination to see, namely, that if the Superdome had been filled with white, middle-class, racist, conservative cocksuckers like myself, it would not have been a refinery of horror, but rather a citadel of hope and order and restraint and compassion."

Read it all here

http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000129.html


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4623106 - 09/05/05 06:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day." -from the link above


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4623163 - 09/05/05 06:27 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

It's the fuckers stealing jewelry and TVs and Gameboys etc. that need to be shot.

Calm down. You don't need to need to talk about "shooting people" on a shroom board to try and convince everyone you're some kind of tough guy.

Like the fucking losers hadn't been given everything they ever had anyway

I wonder how long you'd last in the projects. 20 seconds? Or just 10?


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: Alex213]
    #4623177 - 09/05/05 06:31 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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It's the fuckers stealing jewelry and TVs and Gameboys etc. that need to be shot.

Calm down. You don't need to need to talk about "shooting people" on a shroom board to try and convince everyone you're some kind of tough guy.

Like the fucking losers hadn't been given everything they ever had anyway

I wonder how long you'd last in a tough neighbourhood. 20 seconds? Or 10?




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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4623187 - 09/05/05 06:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Ok man, just cool it with the psycho shit about shooting people. It makes you sound like a 10 year old wigga.


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: roby000]
    #4623652 - 09/05/05 08:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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oh and the cops that turned in thier badges should be treated as deserters




Depends on what they deserted and why.

If they deserted guarding some stores to help save lives, then they should be paraded around as heroes.


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: Alex213]
    #4623658 - 09/05/05 08:44 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"A moral right to take..." <---- hahaha.


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4623771 - 09/05/05 09:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The commies killed more people than Hitler. That's proves forever that socialism in any form is evil and must be destroyed.

So society has broken down. People are fighting each other for food because they're starving. People show their true nature. People will even eat dead bodies when starving. No surprise there.


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4623797 - 09/05/05 09:18 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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The commies killed more people than Hitler. That's proves forever that socialism in any form is evil and must be destroyed.



You are a pillar of logic. My hat goes off to you, sir.


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: Alex213]
    #4623929 - 09/05/05 09:51 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Brilliant, I never thought of Looting to be a form of Economics; go figure!


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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: Silversoul]
    #4624198 - 09/06/05 02:26 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Los_Pepes said:
The commies killed more people than Hitler.  That's proves forever that socialism in any form is evil and must be destroyed.



You are a pillar of logic.  My hat goes off to you, sir.




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Re: Looters "redistributing wealth" [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4625354 - 09/06/05 01:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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oh and the cops that turned in thier badges should be treated as deserters




Depends on what they deserted and why.

If they deserted guarding some stores to help save lives, then they should be paraded around as heroes.





yeah i could see it to be alright to say "hey i dont want to prevent these people from having food so i quit", but i think what they did was they turned in thier badges cuz it was a shit storm down there and they werent shaking highschoolers down for pot anymore. they took an oath to serve and protect if that means hell and high water so be it. if a soilder said "oh hey war sucks so uh heres my two weeks notice", he would be shot.


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