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I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u!
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Go out and watch the sky for a few hours tonight.
Almost every skywatch I've been on I've seen a UFO.
I believe a portion of these to be extra-terrestrial craft or our military using E.T techynology.
Some have been in our atmosphere, i.e close to myself or on the horizon interacting with planes etc
But most often I can see UFO's in space. I've noticed that the sky activity seems to increase the later it gets. Although this could actually be a visibility trend.
I've spent a long time studying the rational arguements.
Astronomers say they are satellites, yet a sattelite goes on a slow steady course and they all travel the same direction apart from one sattelite. None of the UFO's observed, although similar to sattelites, behave entirely like sattelites should. Random speed and direction changes. I've seen them travelling all different directions.
They are not fitting the category of meteor, shooting star or asteroid. These are all fairly easily spotted.
The one fallback that the techies seem to come up with is plasma balls.
This is a very good anwser.
Except when one considers plasma balls are extremely rare. So why would rare plasma balls be visible in quantity, almost every night?
So there we have it, we still don't know what a UFO is.
My point - They are visible every night and although science loves to pretend it has an answer, it actually has none.
Of course, the other option for you so called skeptic's is disbelief. Question my integrity and you may release you anxiety. Should I be telling the truth however...
I challenge any questioners/disbelievers to actively and precisely study astronomical phenomena then go out on skywatches for a week. Then you will find it is you who has to not tell the truth.
Oh and Swarmi, saying I watched the sky alot in my younger years doesn't count (I already challenged him).
Diploid, will you accept new logic when it stares you in the face? oh wait you've already answered that...
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4622346 - 09/05/05 12:18 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Indeed. I usually see at least one every time I watch the sky. Earth is a very high traffic area at this time.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Shroomism]
#4622356 - 09/05/05 12:21 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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skywatching has got to be my favorite thing to do at night while tripping.
esp if there isnt light around so you can see everything a million times better
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Vulture]
#4622360 - 09/05/05 12:22 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yes.. away from the cities and up in the mountains is where you will get the best light show
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4622440 - 09/05/05 12:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just love it when people say they saw a UFO, but "know" what it was.. ha ha semantics! time for time! :P
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Pmog]
#4622491 - 09/05/05 12:51 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I just love it when people say they saw a UFO, but "know" what it was.. ha ha
I was thinking the same thing. Doesn't unidentified mean just that?
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4622689 - 09/05/05 01:49 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Unidentified Flying Objects are easy to find as I cannot identify many objects common to the night sky.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4623149 - 09/05/05 04:22 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I challenge any questioners/disbelievers to actively and precisely study astronomical phenomena
Been there, done that...
I was one of the directors of the largest amateur astronomy organization in the US, the Southern Cross Astronomical Society. I've spent more time under the stars during my tenure there than most people spend in their lifetime.
I've formally studied astronomy and astrophysics. I've photographed the night sky with some of the most advanced instruments available to amateur astronomers. These are my two favorites out of several hundred I've shot over the last ~20 years from the Florida Keys. The first is the Orion Nebula, the second is the Andromeda Galaxy:
Suffice it to say that I know more than a little about the night sky and know that what many people call ET are simply meteors or satellites, and surprisingly often, flocks of birds.
The balance of objects called Unidentified Flying Objects are just that, unidentified. This means that the only accurate thing you can say about them is that you don't know what they are.
Now, you say you've:
spent a long time studying the rational arguements
Let me explain why I think you are either lying or you completely misunderstood what you studied.
Astronomers say they are satellites, yet a satellite goes on a slow steady course and they all travel the same direction apart from one sattelite.
This is not true. The only satellites that would follow a steady course across the night sky are a small fraction of all the satellites in Earth orbit called Geostationary Satellites. These types of orbits occur at a distance of a little over 20,000 miles above the surface of the Earth and so most geostationary satellites are too far (too dim) to be seen, though a few of the bigger ones can be seen rarely.
The rest of the satellites are in low elliptical orbits inclined at some angle to the equator and about 150 miles above the surface of the Earth. Because the orbital period at that altitude is much faster than one day, and because their orbit is inclined to the Earth's equator, these satellites, which number in the hundreds, appear to move in all sorts of directions and at varying speeds.
Additionally, as they orbit, the angle of specular reflection of the sun off the metallic surfaces of the satellite changes. This causes them to range from invisible to star-like to very bright and back again as they move across the sky. This is like how someone's wristwatch in sunlight can suddenly become very bright if the angle it makes with the sun and your eye is just right, then becomes dim again as the angle of the watch face changes.
If you cared about the truth and took the trouble to "spend a long time studying", as you say, you might learn to calculate these orbits for yourself from the publicly available Orbital Elements (the equations that describe the orbit of each satellite) and see for yourself that everything you claim to be true in your post above is in fact completely false.
They are not fitting the category of meteor, shooting star or asteroid.
Meteors are the same thing as 'shooting stars'. This is another blunder that leads me to believe that you haven't studied anything related to the science that you claim knowledge of.
And to round out the expose on your ignorance of astronomy, I'll point out that there are a very tiny number of asteroids visible to the naked eye under ideal dark sky conditions. None of them move enough to be distinguishable from an ordinary star.
Now, how about you stop posting nonsense here and go read an astronomy book, eh?
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: LunarEclipse]
#4623211 - 09/05/05 04:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm posing a logical possibility.
I see you have none.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4623221 - 09/05/05 04:42 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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So you think sattelites too?
I didn't know sattelites had breaks.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4623333 - 09/05/05 05:13 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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My logic tells me that until something changes ET was just a movie. Why try to guess that there are aliens in the UFOs you see?
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4623336 - 09/05/05 05:14 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I challenge any questioners/disbelievers to actively and precisely study astronomical phenomena then go out on skywatches for a week. Then you will find it is you who has to not tell the truth.
I have never seen an object in the sky I couldn't explain.
I don't know what you are seeing, because I'm not seeing it. Maybe if you made a video recording of the UFOs you see I could make a guess, but it would only be a guess.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4623697 - 09/05/05 06:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: So you think sattelites too?
I didn't know sattelites had breaks.
of course they do! ten minutes for a smoke and cup of coffee same as everyone else.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4624046 - 09/05/05 08:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Since you've spent so much time identifying objects in the sky, maybe you could help me with a question I've had since I was a child.
When I was 8 or 9, I was playing with a neighbor child who lived just behind me. We were sitting on top of the jungle gym during the day (bright, blue sky), when we noticed three objects circling very high above us. Each one was silver, shaped like 3D diamonds, like two pyramids connected at the base. You could easily see the sunlight glinting off of them. Each spun on its own axis, and the three were also spinning in a circular fomation around us. They began spiraling out, then reached an apex, and began spiraling back in. When they all came together, they disappeared.
Any ideas about what those could have been?
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4624122 - 09/05/05 09:07 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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whenever i get detached from the city and am out in the boonies i love to watch the stars. I have to say ive seen countless satellites and meteorites, but nothing besides that.
That most fucked up meteors are the ones i believe that are coming straight at you. They just light up in the sky and dont really move much. I asked my dad about it, he said thats what it was.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4624128 - 09/05/05 09:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've seen those odd UFOs (in the true definition of the word) that move around at odd angles, brake suddenly and then switch direction or go at 90 degree angles, etc. I was confused as hell about them at first, but I believe that Diploid is right.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ravus]
#4625117 - 09/06/05 10:37 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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You are entitled to your belief.
We all are.
I suppose I have to accept that if I didn't see them myself up-close then I would probably be saying the same as everyone else...
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Gliders]
#4625126 - 09/06/05 10:40 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just sattelites, do not think or hypothesise any further for ridicule,fear and rejection awaits you...
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4625987 - 09/06/05 02:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just a thought...aren't UFO's more Science and Technology than Spirituality and Philosophy?
Or does the fact that we are asked to take them on faith make this a spiritual topic?
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4626049 - 09/06/05 03:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: You are entitled to your belief.
We all are.
I suppose I have to accept that if I didn't see them myself up-close then I would probably be saying the same as everyone else...
If you see them every night, then it should be fairly easy for you to take photographs or videos and post them here for us to see. Perhaps that would help you be more persuasive.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4626080 - 09/06/05 03:21 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I suppose I have to accept that if I didn't see them myself up-close...
hehe!
sorry, couldn't help myself.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4626085 - 09/06/05 03:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Nah, he would rather prattle on and start the same weak thread every other week for years.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Swami]
#4626173 - 09/06/05 03:55 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sounds familiar.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4629416 - 09/07/05 10:53 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid said: I challenge any questioners/disbelievers to actively and precisely study astronomical phenomena
Been there, done that...
I was one of the directors of the largest amateur astronomy organization in the US, the Southern Cross Astronomical Society. I've spent more time under the stars during my tenure there than most people spend in their lifetime.
I've formally studied astronomy and astrophysics. I've photographed the night sky with some of the most advanced instruments available to amateur astronomers. These are my two favorites out of several hundred I've shot over the last ~20 years from the Florida Keys. The first is the Orion Nebula, the second is the Andromeda Galaxy:
Suffice it to say that I know more than a little about the night sky and know that what many people call ET are simply meteors or satellites, and surprisingly often, flocks of birds.
The balance of objects called Unidentified Flying Objects are just that, unidentified. This means that the only accurate thing you can say about them is that you don't know what they are.
Now, you say you've:
spent a long time studying the rational arguements
Let me explain why I think you are either lying or you completely misunderstood what you studied.
Astronomers say they are satellites, yet a satellite goes on a slow steady course and they all travel the same direction apart from one sattelite.
This is not true. The only satellites that would follow a steady course across the night sky are a small fraction of all the satellites in Earth orbit called Geostationary Satellites. These types of orbits occur at a distance of a little over 20,000 miles above the surface of the Earth and so most geostationary satellites are too far (too dim) to be seen, though a few of the bigger ones can be seen rarely.
The rest of the satellites are in low elliptical orbits inclined at some angle to the equator and about 150 miles above the surface of the Earth. Because the orbital period at that altitude is much faster than one day, and because their orbit is inclined to the Earth's equator, these satellites, which number in the hundreds, appear to move in all sorts of directions and at varying speeds.
Additionally, as they orbit, the angle of specular reflection of the sun off the metallic surfaces of the satellite changes. This causes them to range from invisible to star-like to very bright and back again as they move across the sky. This is like how someone's wristwatch in sunlight can suddenly become very bright if the angle it makes with the sun and your eye is just right, then becomes dim again as the angle of the watch face changes.
If you cared about the truth and took the trouble to "spend a long time studying", as you say, you might learn to calculate these orbits for yourself from the publicly available Orbital Elements (the equations that describe the orbit of each satellite) and see for yourself that everything you claim to be true in your post above is in fact completely false.
They are not fitting the category of meteor, shooting star or asteroid.
Meteors are the same thing as 'shooting stars'. This is another blunder that leads me to believe that you haven't studied anything related to the science that you claim knowledge of.
And to round out the expos? on your ignorance of astronomy, I'll point out that there are a very tiny number of asteroids visible to the naked eye under ideal dark sky conditions. None of them move enough to be distinguishable from an ordinary star.
Now, how about you stop posting nonsense here and go read an astronomy book, eh?
This guy completely schooled the author, and the author of this thread acted like he didn't. In fact, no one even mentioned anything about this post, but they should have. This guy has spent WAY more time studying the sky than you have Dano. How would you like it if you studied a subject for, say, five years of your life, and that's all you did -- then some kid comes up to you one day and tells you that what you've been studying is wrong -- but he clearly has had less time to observe the subject than you have; would that not make you a little angry?
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: SketchyTX05]
#4629506 - 09/07/05 11:15 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've had enough alien debates to pin point and nail each persons reasoning.
Diploid is biased as he has the personal belief that they would not bother to study/visit Earth and that the laws of the universe doesn't allow organisms travel of such distances. I have met many intelectuals that think this way.
Like I said I have seen many of them up close so I don't think he out-schooled me on that. He's never seen one - hence his disbelief.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4629523 - 09/07/05 11:20 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Go download some if you want. They won't persuade anyone.
All that will persuade them is seeing for thierselves,
WHICH IS A FAT LOT OF GOOD CONSIDERING NOT ONE DISBELIEVER HERE HAS BOTHERED TO GO AND LOOK. TO QUESTION FOR THEIRSELVES INSTEAD OF BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING THE GENERAL CONSENSUS LIKE SHEEP.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4629551 - 09/07/05 11:24 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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For the final time, please explain how seeing lights in the sky have made you a better person or understand yourself.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: SketchyTX05]
#4629552 - 09/07/05 11:24 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anyone with half a brain can go and read an astronomy website. Thats what I did. I actually found a legit astronomy site stating the differences between real UFO's and known/suspected celestial activity.
This is just one more thing that made me realise these arn't satelites or celestial activity. I was trying to be objective (despite having had ships land in front of me).
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Swami]
#4629587 - 09/07/05 11:30 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Swami said: Nah, he would rather prattle on and start the same weak thread every other week for years.
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Icelander said: sounds familiar
Yes, sort of like Swamis threads on Deepka Chopra.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Swami]
#4629633 - 09/07/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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What do you mean for the final time?
You havn't asked before
Better person = Objective (what is good or bad anyway? Do bees understand good and bad?)
Understand yourself = It has helped me understand the world around me, I've learned loads about staying open-minded and the posabilities and workings of this universe. Its taught me alot about people and a lot about myself, my own ignorance, my own assumptions.
I am like you, I am logical, I am skeptical but I have seen a UFO disc land, that is the difference.
Aliens are for me a natural and simplistic answer to these discs. It may not be correct but based on current understanding it is the most likely answer.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#4629637 - 09/07/05 11:39 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Repeating a fallacy is different from exposing one.
Damn those people that have been saying smoking is bad for over 40 years until people got the message. Could they not have just said it once and then shut up?
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4629655 - 09/07/05 11:44 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I am skeptical but I have seen a UFO disc land, that is the difference.
This thread is about pinpoints lights in the sky - and now BLAM - suddenly it is about discs that have landed?
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Swami]
#4629661 - 09/07/05 11:47 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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The problem we have with the idea of aliens is essentially the same problem with the idea of ghosts. If they exist, why don't you see them on a normal basis? Ghosts have been seen by a few people here and there, but, if they are so common to some people why is there still any question whatsoever to their existance?
Alien landing SHOULD be a big thing. If you saw it, someone else probably did. Now, if enough people saw such a sight, "enough" being an important word, then wouldn't it make sense that it could be proven?
It's almost impossible for there NOT to be other life out there, but, I must say I would have a hard time going gung-ho about aliens until I either saw one myself, or heard from multiple trustworthy sources that they saw aliens. I'm sure you can respect my standpoint.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4631051 - 09/07/05 05:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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despite having had ships land in front of me
Wow! That's impressive!
You didn't happen to collect the kind of evidence that would convince pretty much everyone on Earth (including me) like maybe a bit of soil from the landing site containing bacteria without DNA?
No? Eh, I didn't think so. All you have is blah, blah, blah, and some fuzzy pics that look just like a zillion admitted UFO hoaxes.
Note to audience, these are typical of photographs dano calls 'Proof' of alien visitation. All of these are admitted hoaxes.
For the record, I am all but certain there IS other life in the universe. I am all but certain that much of it IS far more technologically advanced than we are. However, so far, there is not one shred of evidence of that life visiting Earth. Fuzzy pics and stories of abduction made up by bored house wives are evidence of nothing at all.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4631063 - 09/07/05 05:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have to agree with you Diploid. On all counts.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Icelander]
#4632447 - 09/07/05 11:19 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Damn Diploid. You knocked that one out of the park!
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4632789 - 09/08/05 01:29 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: I've had enough alien debates to pin point and nail each persons reasoning.
But not understand that reasoning in any way, shape, or form. You claimed that all of these lights couldn't have been satellites by your definition of a satellite, and he totally refuted your baseless claim by demonstrating how satellites can actually display all of the traits you described. A perfect explanation of the phenomenon you suspossedly witness and you have absolutely nothing to use agansit that explanation. Simply close your ears and scream "La la la not listening", as you have done.
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Diploid is biased as he has the personal belief...
Your biased in that you have made up your mind on shaky personal beliefs that have no basis in observable, knowable reality. We used to see all sorts of objects flying around the city at night, making eerie noises and looking suscipiously odd - then we realized they were simply airplanes and that the absence of solar light really tweaked our perceptions.
If you were truly unbiased, you wouldn't be rallying to convince others that you are right. Interesting, focused discussion where points are actually considered and ideas are formed and pondered upon might actually take place and the people involved might actually learn and grow and evolve if it wasn't for these biases.
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He's never seen one - hence his disbelief.
Rather, he's never seen one - hence his suspension of belief.
Peace.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4633615 - 09/08/05 11:37 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Dano, from what it looks like Diploid has spent years upon years studying the sky. He has had access to technology enabling him to view the universe in MUCH more clarity than you yourself using the naked eye. His argument is much more sound than yours.
I have had quite a few occurances in my life where I thought I had seen a UFO. They occured just as you yourself have described. Until I see one in clarity through a form of telescope or other technology such as Diploid used to take his pictures I don't fully believe that these things I saw were 'crafts' at all. In my own belief there is no way we are the only intelligent life form in the whole infinite universe, however we seem to be the only ones in this part.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4633620 - 09/08/05 11:39 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: I am like you, I am logical, I am skeptical but I have seen a UFO disc land, that is the difference.
Do you have any proof to this claim?
Please go into detail.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#4634129 - 09/08/05 02:31 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, bush has spent years studing politics thats why I think he has the best policies
K, u c my point?
Its interesting how you saw the credential and fell for it. Thats how a con man works just wear a police officers uniform and your the law!
Question for yourselves.
No, no proof. Just stories.
I really am an outsider to this society. I just look in and watch. I see things that others don't. People like me are few and far between but there are a few on here. To the watchers and the outsiders
All I can say is, go and watch those skies.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4634138 - 09/08/05 02:34 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: Yeah, bush has spent years studing politics thats why I think he has the best policies
When has he spent years studying politics? As I recall, he recieved a BA in history and an MBA in business.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4634174 - 09/08/05 02:44 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Alright then years in politics, hes the president
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4634181 - 09/08/05 02:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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A few people metioned about video recording some of it.
I can't find a recorder that will film the night sky!
ALL THE COMMON ONES WON'T FOCUS PROPERLY!!!
then y'all wonder why theres no real good film...
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4634182 - 09/08/05 02:46 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Are you aware that there is no training involved in becoming president? There are no professional standards that you're supposed to conform to. You just do what you think will get your re-elected.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4634193 - 09/08/05 02:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Thank you for your random fact
My point was anyone can pretend to know what they are going on about and get away with it. Nothing can be proved apart from "I think therefore I am"
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4634353 - 09/08/05 03:21 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: My point was anyone can pretend to know what they are going on about and get away with it.
Sounds like a certain UFO enthusiast who posts on this board.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4634398 - 09/08/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy there are a lot of aliens in this planet right in front of your eyes and yet they are still aliens. I'm not talking about Extraterrestial life because all is life. What difference does it make? This you seek will never satisfy your thirst.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4637670 - 09/09/05 11:55 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enthusiast's don't need to know what they are going on about.
The enthusiasm comes from me being honest and saying what I saw.
Why should I lie just so I can fit into the common conception of reality better?
Everyone ignores my good points of evidence and just focus on trying to damage character. Any character or question of trust is just a way of you labelling somebody into a catagory. That is what conmen abuse as I said before... Its idiotic as anybody on the internet can be anything they want! You can trust nobody.
I fall as prey for these vultures because I refuse to deny what I have seen.
If I see a bully beating up a little kid, I go and stop him and tell him why his logic is so wrong. I don't hide amongst the crowd for fear of being beaten myself. I stand out for what I know to be right.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4637697 - 09/09/05 12:06 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is also quite a few shroomery members who have seen the craft close up.
Amplify that to our whole population and explain why so many people have seen the craft.
People come up with crap answers that are no where near the weight of the reality of this phenomena.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4637700 - 09/09/05 12:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why do airpilots, who are highly trained and thorougly able to tell the difference, say they have seen e.t craft right next to their planes, yet we are supposed to believe it was a balloon and the pilot is prone to delusion?
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4638077 - 09/09/05 01:35 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: There is also quite a few shroomery members who have seen the craft close up.
Amplify that to our whole population and explain why so many people have seen the craft.
People come up with crap answers that are no where near the weight of the reality of this phenomena.
I'd have to see what kind of craft you're talking about, which should be easy to photograph if you see them as often as you say you do.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4638832 - 09/09/05 04:48 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: Why do airpilots, who are highly trained and thorougly able to tell the difference, say they have seen e.t craft right next to their planes, yet we are supposed to believe it was a balloon and the pilot is prone to delusion?
Ya seriously, what's up with that?
I think its clear that there are some top secret information concerning many UFO sightings that the government doesn't want for it to leak to the masses.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4639370 - 09/09/05 07:20 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why do airpilots, who are highly trained and thorougly able to tell the difference, say they have seen e.t craft right next to their planes, yet we are supposed to believe it was a balloon and the pilot is prone to delusion?
It just so happens that I'm a private pilot. This is my baby I keep at the Boca Raton airport just north of Fort Lauderdale:
I've been flying since 84. I've never shared the sky with anything that didn't come from Earth.
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dano, this is a philosophy (and spirituality) forum. We're here to discuss IDEAS, not people. Why do you take things personally when someone questions your ideas rather than take the criticism with a more constructive attitude?
In other words, if you say something and I point out why it doesn't make sense, don't come after ME and question my motivation. Diploid is totally irrelevant. The idea you put forth and the counter-idea others put forth are the only thing that's important.
If an idiot says the sky is blue, his being an idiot has no bearing at all on the truth/falsity of his statement. That statement is equally valid coming from a fool or a genius. This is why, in philosophical discourse, you should leave yourself and your philosophical opponent out of the discussion and concentrate only on the ideas being discussed.
If it's shown through the discussion that your ideas don't seem to make sense, then you should be ready to discard your ideas and form new ones. If you showed me real evidence (not fuzzy pics and stories, that's not evidence) like a piece of metal that is beyond human technology, I will immediately change my position on alien visitation; I won't say that you're biased. YOU would be irrelevant to the discussion; the humanly-impossible piece of metal would be all that matters.
Once you get this, the discussion can move forward productively. Until then, it'll be about you and me instead of about UFOs and aliens.
Peace my friend...
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4639386 - 09/09/05 07:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very well stated Diploid. You are a very cool guy!
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4639395 - 09/09/05 07:28 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid said: I've been flying since 84. I've never shared the sky with anything that didn't come from Earth.
Except the -light that lights the skies....
J/K Nice plane man, that would be one HELL of a way to spend an afternoon....! Then an evening chillin out with a few beers (I see the fridge in the pic.... )
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4639556 - 09/09/05 08:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: Everyone ignores my good points of evidence
You have provided no evidence. You have only provided theories.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4641894 - 09/10/05 12:03 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Why do airpilots, who are highly trained and thorougly able to tell the difference, say they have seen e.t craft right next to their planes, yet we are supposed to believe it was a balloon and the pilot is prone to delusion?
It just so happens that I'm a private pilot. This is my baby I keep at the Boca Raton airport just north of Fort Lauderdale
I think he was referring to military and airliner pilots, which fly at a much higher altitude. There are thousands of witnesses of unearthly flying objects made by such pilots. These guys are trained to identify all things you owuld see in the sky, including natural meteorological phenomena, but when they come out with UFO sightings, the FBI just tells them that what they have seen can easily be explained or that they were just weather balloons... Most documented UFO witnesses are kept in the top secret archives of the government. Did you know that, the Defense Department, recognizing that airline pilots have special training and are in a unique position for observation, includes them in the military system of reporting vital intelligence sightings? And of course, military pilots are restricted from discussing the sightings freely while they are on active duty. That's why alot of the times that pilots mention their UFO sightings, its when they are retired.
The question here isn't "what are UFOs" anymore, the real question is "why is there so much secrecy?".
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4641952 - 09/10/05 12:17 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know, there are some very serious ufologists out there, you could be one of them, but you just need to adopt a more scientifical approach to the whole thing. As i see you are very dedicated to the cause, but you could spend your energy in a much more benifical manner. Its just a waste of energy to try to convince people who don't want to be convinced.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: exclusive58]
#4641960 - 09/10/05 12:19 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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exclusive58 said: You know, there are some very serious ufologists out there, you could be one of them, but you just need to adopt a more scientifical approach to the whole thing. As i see you are very dedicated to the cause, but you could spend your energy in a much more benifical manner. Its just a waste of energy to try to convince people who don't want to be convinced.
Actually, I'd be much appreciative if he actually put in the effort needed to convince me. Some photographs of these nightly occurences could go a long way towards that end.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4641988 - 09/10/05 12:25 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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think about, if he took such a pic, and he showed you which was the bright dot that was moving in all directions, you would say, "that's just a star"...
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: exclusive58]
#4642013 - 09/10/05 12:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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exclusive58 said: think about, if he took such a pic, and he showed you which was the bright dot that was moving in all directions, you would say, "that's just a star"...
Perhaps. It would depend on the picture quality, and how visible the object is. If these things get as close as he says they do, then it should make for a great photo-op. If not, a video might be more suitable. In any case, he has made no serious attempt to convince anyone. He has merely screamed about the bias of others and talking about evidence that he claims he has presented(of which I have seen none).
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: exclusive58]
#4642919 - 09/10/05 04:45 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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airliner pilots, which fly at a much higher altitude
So, UFOs don't fly at low altitude even though it's claimed they crash here, abduct us, and even land in front of us all the time?
C'mon now...
There are thousands of witnesses of unearthly flying objects made by such pilots.
Thousands of witnesses of unearthly flying objects from airline pilots, eh? That's a lot. Can you provide sources? Should be easy given the large numbers.
Defense Department, recognizing that airline pilots have special training and are in a unique position for observation, includes them in the military system of reporting vital intelligence sightings
Now you're just making up bullshit. I may not be an airline pilot, but I know aviation and count dozens of airline pilots among my friends. I would know.
Geez...
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4643025 - 09/10/05 05:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Tell me what about my ideas i should discard and if you have a better reasoning and weight of evidence, I will.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#4643036 - 09/10/05 05:38 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Define evidence.
Or just go and look up...
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4643047 - 09/10/05 05:44 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4643060 - 09/10/05 05:48 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Bob, St.Albans Siobhan...calling these things rubbish is a basic form of defence, against the fear of a possibility that the phenomenon is a reality. You obviously don't want to know, and thats fine. Don't, however, make silly, uninformed and rash statements unless you've taken a considerable look at the enigma. the phenomenon does exist, of that there is no doubt at all. The problem for us as investigative researchers, is establishing exactly WHAT it is, what the nature of the enimga is...and 'rubbish' isn't one of the answers.
Nick M. from Georgia (USA) I also believe I have seen paranormal things. But in my case I think that some of it is military aircraft. My house is directly under a military aircraft route. But in other places I have seen everything from vanishing silver disks to cross-shaped UFOs that have red lights along the bottom. I am a believer.
JD, Wrexham My mum has spotted 2 UFOs, both over wrexham town centre. The 1st one was around 1983, and then again in 1992. The first sighting was around 12.30am. My mum spotted the object adjacent to St Marks multi storey car park. It was a triangle shape, with many orange lights on the under side, and two larger red discs above. After trying to wake my dad up to show him what she had seen, she turned back to the window and saw it "flash" out of sight. The second sighting was on a late autumn afternoon, and was also witnessed by my sister. An almost translucent triangle-shaped object was spotted adjacent to St Mary's Cathedral. It hovered for around 2-3 mins, and then shot out of sight. Both my mum and sister didn't tell the rest of the family what they had seen till quite a few years later as they thought we wouldn't beleave them! I think that we are definitely not alone in the universe.
Jamie from Manchester I've seen a UFO and it was very spooky. It was a big light in the sky. It was beaming and glowing green and black which made it more spookier. I also think I heard something like a buzzing sound.
Yep just satellites people, think no further.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4643062 - 09/10/05 05:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4643281 - 09/10/05 07:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danno, those are all stories and fuzzy pics, not evidence. You're just never going to get this. I give up.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4646346 - 09/11/05 02:23 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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When you study history they teach you about the available sources and the weight of evidence. Evidence can include witness testomonial.
My point is - I have seen a UFO close up, There are a million other people (many professionals) who have too. The weight of evidence hear is staggering. The phenomena cannot just be reduced to satellites and delusion. There are many incidents of people meeting aliens and being shown by police interogation not to have lied.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4646367 - 09/11/05 02:29 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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There are many incidents of people meeting aliens
Talk is not evidence.
But none of them can come up with a single alien bacteria or peice of metal or textile impossible for humans to make. Why is that?
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4646464 - 09/11/05 02:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Probably because they didn't intend on being abducted by aliens thus they didn't have their medi-swab and evidence bag to hand!?
If you abducted somebody would you give them something to take home?
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4646471 - 09/11/05 02:55 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Besides there no hotline.
If e.t abducts you and you goto the police, you are laughed at and considered a nut (societies label).
This is why several cases of people passing police interogation have occured.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4646550 - 09/11/05 03:15 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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dano, if I so much as sat in the same room with you, I would pick up bacteria from your body and exhalations and fibers from your clothing.
If I abducted you, I'd be covered head to toe in all of the above. Forensic science counts on this fact to nab criminals every day all around the world.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4647519 - 09/11/05 07:37 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid, in the pre-enlightenment period people objectified the unknown with phenomenological explanations. This was then superseded by scientific rationale, our current mode of thought.
Up until the emergence of science these explanations were widely accepted and therefore understood to be true. In seeking to find definable, physical truths scienctists were merely replacing these views with those of another. This is not to say that it is the only way of thinking and is therefore absolute, but that is the most logical and accepted viewpoint to date.
You discount danEoboy's claim on the basis that you, or somebody you know personally, has never seen a UFO. I find this incredibly amusing. I am willing to bet that much of your understanding of scientific knowledge has come from books, and although you personally may never have observed the phenomenon described you accept that it is truth because a man of science has. When the role of explaining nature was in the hands of clerics or mystics, these views were equally accepted and in much the same fashion.
Quantum physics is excellent backdrop for what I am trying to say. This branch of science deals with incredibly small particles and the ways in which they behave. However the things that quantum physicists study are so small that they are in fact unobservable, and yet although much of it is theory it is a hot topic for scientific discourse.
Don't be so quick to dismiss somebody else's opinion because it is unfounded. This is how science begins, and one day when proof is discovered of alien life than you might just have to sit down to an all you can eat buffet of your words.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: BorgFace]
#4649261 - 09/12/05 05:33 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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You discount danEoboy's claim on the basis that you, or somebody you know personally, has never seen a UFO.
Have you not read anything I've been saying?
I discount dano's claims on the basis that he has no evidence even though he claims to see these things all the time and even had one land in front of him.
although you personally may never have observed the [science] phenomenon described you accept that it is truth because a man of science has.
You clearly know very little about science. I accept the phenomena science studies because I CAN REPRODUCE THE EXPERIMENT AND SEE IT FOR MYSELF. This is one of the cornerstones of science.
However the things that quantum physicists study are so small that they are in fact unobservable, and yet although much of it is theory it is a hot topic for scientific discourse.
Subatomic particles cannot be seen, but their existence can be inferred from a huge amount of evidence that has been mounting since the early 1900s. I count the incineration of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as a pretty irrefutable piece of evidence that atoms exist.
The evidence supporting alien visitation currently amounts to some fuzzy pics, many of which are admitted hoaxes, and a bunch of stories and outright lies like the ones made up by exclusive58 a few posts back. This is not evidence; less so given how common alien visitation is claimed to be.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4650041 - 09/12/05 12:01 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid said: dano, if I so much as sat in the same room with you, I would pick up bacteria from your body and exhalations and fibers from your clothing.
If I abducted you, I'd be covered head to toe in all of the above. Forensic science counts on this fact to nab criminals every day all around the world.
This already answers, that!
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Probably because they didn't intend on being abducted by aliens thus they didn't have their medi-swab and evidence bag to hand!?
If you abducted somebody would you give them something to take home?
Besides, there have only been 3 abductions that have had extensive enquiry and in every case the system failed over and over to find a rational answer. Review some of my old threads if you wish to study further (I doubt it - your mind is already made up, it is not open to posabilities).
Also if they got the tech to get here then they probably have the tech to cleans you of bacteria. Also when has anybody ever in the history of man, checked an abductee claimant for bacteria. You answer relies on too many assumptions.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4650063 - 09/12/05 12:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid said: stories and outright lies
This is the meat of your assumptions.
I ask people which is a bigger assumption:
that all these people including civilians, airpilots, astronomers, military and NASA astronauts and military radar are telling stories and outright lies.
Or that there indeed is something physical flying in our skies which appears to be a mechanical device way beyond human technology.
To me, it is you who is delusional. To think that so many people, some highly credited, would simply lie.
The lie here is to yourself, your ego, to protect your mental security. That is all.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4650074 - 09/12/05 12:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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You also lie about grainy photos.
Theres tons of very good video footage out there. Its just you havn't seen it which isn't surprising considering you don't want too!!!
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4650075 - 09/12/05 12:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid said: dano, if I so much as sat in the same room with you, I would pick up bacteria from your body and exhalations and fibers from your clothing.
If I abducted you, I'd be covered head to toe in all of the above. Forensic science counts on this fact to nab criminals every day all around the world.
This already answers, that!
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Probably because they didn't intend on being abducted by aliens thus they didn't have their medi-swab and evidence bag to hand!?
If you abducted somebody would you give them something to take home?
You don't have to intend on being abducted to be covered with alien germs. And the aliens don't have to have the intention of giving you the germs in order for them to spread.
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Also if they got the tech to get here then they probably have the tech to cleans you of bacteria.
Why would they try to cover their tracks by cleaning off the bacteria if they already make themselves visible enough for you to see them every night?(btw, I'm still waiting for those pictures)
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Also when has anybody ever in the history of man, checked an abductee claimant for bacteria.
I can't answer with certainty, but I'm sure there are numerous cases, considering the vast numbers of UFOlogists out there looking for evidence to support their case.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4650080 - 09/12/05 12:12 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: You also lie about grainy photos.
Theres tons of very good video footage out there. Its just you havn't seen it which isn't surprising considering you don't want too!!!
SHOW US!!! The reason we haven't seen them is that we don't obsess about it day in and day out enough to search for every single photo or video, especially considering the number of frauds that are out there.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4650923 - 09/12/05 03:23 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Paradigm said:
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danoEoboy said: You also lie about grainy photos.
Theres tons of very good video footage out there. Its just you havn't seen it which isn't surprising considering you don't want too!!!
SHOW US!!!
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Le_Canard]
#4651305 - 09/12/05 05:06 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Just watch one documentary on the discovery channel!
Or go find em for yourself
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4651325 - 09/12/05 05:10 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Sup all? Man i thought i was crazy but im not alone. Last week i saw a dot just barley , way way way out there i coudnt see it if i focused to hard or moved my eyes, but the dot shot back n forth in diagnals and flew away fast as hell , im certain it was a ufo. LataZ
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4651339 - 09/12/05 05:14 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: Just watch one documentary on the discovery channel!
Been there, done that. The Discovery channel does a great job of debunking most of them.
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Or go find em for yourself
I've watched the night sky many times, and seen some very interesting things. I've seen meteor showers, satellites, military and civilian aircraft, planets, city lights refracted into the atmosphere, and even a comet on one occasion. But I have never seen anything that could not be reasonably explained by earthly or atmospheric phenomena.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4651422 - 09/12/05 05:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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What is this abortion still doing at the top of page 1!? Oh my God! My valve has sealed itself again!
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: IgnatiusJReilly]
#4651490 - 09/12/05 05:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Try a laxative.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4652643 - 09/12/05 09:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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give the guy a break... perhaps hes just coming down from a week long shroom binge.
Who knows, I've had mental telepathy with stars/aliens before, (before I'd ever even thought about trying shrooms) but I didn't jump up and down and rave about it and tell everyone to look at the stars... I just contemptly sat there dwelling in my own knowledge that it happened and existed, I didn't need everyone else believing me to prove to myself that it did happen... because it did. This world is full of sceptics and contrasting opinions in every topic known to man, even things with hard evidence are still challenged..
dano, if you believe it happened, then shutup and just have faith in yourself, not every person in these forums (as tripped out as they may be) is going to believe you. If it really happened, then you should just be happy that there is you and the 'million other people' that have had it happen to them, all the people that haven't, well too bad, I guess they just missed out.
But dude, seriously, calm the fuck down!
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: indica]
#4652949 - 09/12/05 10:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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xk3m_indica said: give the guy a break... perhaps hes just coming down from a week long shroom binge.
Nope. He's been like this for a while. I'm still waiting for the evidence he says he's presented.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4652969 - 09/12/05 10:35 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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ok ok but im not taking sides lol :P
hes not one of those Raelians, is he?
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: indica]
#4655502 - 09/13/05 02:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid
your photo of Andromeda is now my desktop i hope you don't mind thanks
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: AlienZulu]
#4655786 - 09/13/05 03:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm glad you liked it.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4656230 - 09/13/05 05:29 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yeah, like Dip has a copyright on the entire Andomeda galaxy...
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Swami]
#4656596 - 09/13/05 06:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Only the southern half. With real estate prices the way they are, that's all I could afford.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4656717 - 09/13/05 07:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: Just watch one documentary on the discovery channel!
No cable here, I'm afraid, although I've found that ain't necessarily a bad thing...
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Or go find em for yourself
Well, I've not star-gazed with a telescope, although I've been a sky watcher from way back, and honestly, I've never seen anything strange or extraordinary....
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Swami]
#4656729 - 09/13/05 07:38 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Swami said: Yeah, like Dip has a copyright on the entire Andomeda galaxy...
he has a copyright on the entire photograph that he took
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: indica]
#4659361 - 09/14/05 11:17 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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AHHH, the sea of controversy.
Point 1: I like argueing about their existance because I am studing peoples responses the phenomena. I have learned lots from the shroomery. It gives a clearer picture of the phenomena and I meet some people who understand my perspective (I'm not alone woot).
Point 2: I am not a raelian LOL. Any speculation on types of alien of looks of alien is not something I think about because it is something I will probably never know.
Point 3: I'm not far off average joe. Reasonable intelligence, like my books and reading but like my partying too.
I just happened to see a large silver craft in the sky exhibiting the ability to hover and move in a very flexible/agile manner. The craft appeared above a friends house, multiple witnesses and too close to be mistaken.
One of the witnesses wouldn't speak of what he saw, at all! The other agreed with me that it appeared to be alien or very advanced technology.
Point 4: If nobody believes me, after all the credible witnesses and all the civilian witnesses, the video's and the radar activity, the fact they are visible practically every night, then I know I will never convince these people. They will have to see it for theirselves.
Hence me saying LOOK UP!
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Le_Canard]
#4659406 - 09/14/05 11:25 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I star gaze with friends all the time.
Something else is that most of my friends can't see them, until I point them out!
Its usually always me that sees something moving first.
Course most the time it is just a satellite, until it zooms off and meets up with its two glowing red buddies...
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4659413 - 09/14/05 11:26 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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You're right. I have spent lots of time outside. I have seen 2 UFOs I couldn't explain. I keep an open mind. But! I don't distract myself from my responsibility to be my own salvation and make sure that the most important thing is what goes on inside of me.
MARS ATTACKS
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Icelander]
#4660941 - 09/14/05 03:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm off to tibet next year. I want to visit some buddists and see if they can teach me anything!
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4661010 - 09/14/05 04:01 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: Point 4: If nobody believes me, after all the credible witnesses and all the civilian witnesses, the video's and the radar activity, the fact they are visible practically every night, then I know I will never convince these people. They will have to see it for theirselves.
Many of those videos have been proven frauds, while other videos and eyewitness accounts are too vague to come the conclusion that they are caused by extraterrestrial phenomena, and in fact most of them have very rational explanations. The tiny percentage of them that remain unexplained are simply that -- unexplained. There is no reason to think that they have anything to do with aliens.
But frankly, I don't know any of the witnesses or people who've taken videos, and have no way of knowing how honest or perceptive they are. What I'm interested in is your evidence. You claim to see them every night? Get a camera or video and SHOW US! And don't arrogantly assume that anyone can see them by gazing up at the night sky. For all I know, you may simply not educated enough to discern a military aircraft from a flying saucer(don't worry -- millions of UFO eyewitnesses are the same way). They only way I'll know is if you show us.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4661027 - 09/14/05 04:04 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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About UFOs? I doubt it. But Tibet is a beautiful place, except for those Chinese guys in those boring uniforms. The Tibetans (since the invasion) have been coming to see us to find out if they can learn anything. So far I would say it's hard for them to get out of there old beliefs. But a few recognize the Universality of spirit.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Icelander]
#4664798 - 09/15/05 12:04 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Not about UFOs LOL!
About the soul, maybe...
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Ego Death
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4664825 - 09/15/05 12:10 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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THEY WON'T FOCUS!!!
As I keep saying, if somebody can tell me of a camera that can film the night sky, a large portion of it (reference points=more provable) then I would certainly invest.
I have an entire thread here asking why I can't get the common vid cams to focus on the sky.
I assume it is because they are cheap and prolly nasty. I would need some big money to get some seriouse kit, which, still prolly wiuldn't prove shit except that I see them.
Swarmi would still just claim that they are plasma balls or something.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4664829 - 09/15/05 12:10 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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My subtle sense of humor.
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Diploid
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4665922 - 09/15/05 03:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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THEY WON'T FOCUS!!!
Most cameras have a manual focus mode. Turn on that mode, then manually focus the lens on something far, like a star, the moon, or a distant building. This is the lens' infinity focus. Leave it set there and fire away.
As long as the object doesn't get closer than about 100 feet, you won't need to change the focus.
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exclusive58
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4668742 - 09/16/05 05:58 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid said:
There are thousands of witnesses of unearthly flying objects made by such pilots.
Thousands of witnesses of unearthly flying objects from airline pilots, eh? That's a lot. Can you provide sources? Should be easy given the large numbers.
do your own homework, find them yourself.
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Defense Department, recognizing that airline pilots have special training and are in a unique position for observation, includes them in the military system of reporting vital intelligence sightings
Now you're just making up bullshit. I may not be an airline pilot, but I know aviation and count dozens of airline pilots among my friends. I would know.
Geez...
The military system of reporting vital intelligence sightings called CIRVIS, is detailed in the Joint Chiefs regulation JANAP-146(D).
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Diploid
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: exclusive58]
#4668758 - 09/16/05 06:17 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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do your own homework, find them yourself
This is classic Shroomery. Make up some bullshit, then when someone asks for sources, refuse to provide any.
The military system of reporting vital intelligence sightings called CIRVIS, is detailed in the Joint Chiefs regulation JANAP-146(D)
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Did you know that, the Defense Department, recognizing that airline pilots have special training and are in a unique position for observation, includes them in the military system of reporting vital intelligence sightings?
JANAP-146(D) does not even contain the words 'airline' or 'airliner'.
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Edited by Diploid (09/16/05 07:23 AM)
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4668759 - 09/16/05 06:19 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid said: JANAP-146(D) does not even contain the words 'airline' or 'airliner'.
Peace.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: exclusive58]
#4669018 - 09/16/05 09:46 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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exclusive58 said: do your own homework, find them yourself.
Are you aware of a concept known as the burden of proof?
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exclusive58
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4673044 - 09/17/05 03:51 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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do you know something called google?
anyway, witnesses aren't considered as proof right?
so go ahead and just ignore all the witnesses you may find, had you spent only but a second looking for them.
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exclusive58
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4673062 - 09/17/05 04:10 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Diploid said:
JANAP-146(D) does not even contain the words 'airline' or 'airliner'.
So you just found a copy of the regulation on the net, and searched to see if the words airline or airliner weren't in there huh? no need to look any further huh?
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GENERAL DESCRIPTION AND PURPOSE OF COMMUNICATIONS INSTRUCTIONS FOR REPORTING VITAL INTELLIGENCE SIGHTINGS
101.? Purpose. - The purpose of this publication is to provide uniform instructions for the peacetime reporting of vital intelligence sightings and to provide communications instructions for the passing of these intelligence reports to appropriate military authorities.
a.? This publication is limited to the reporting of information of vital importance to the security of the United States of America and Canada and their forces, which in the opinion of the observer, requires very urgent defensive and/or investigative action by the US and/or Canadian Armed Forces.
????? b.? The procedures contained in this publication are provided for :
????????? (1)? US and Canadian civil and commercial aircraft.
????????? (2)? US and Canadian government and military aircraft other than those operating under ???????????????? separate reporting directives.
????????? (3)? US and Canadian merchant vessels operating under US and Canadian registry.
????????? (4)? US and Canadian government and military vessels other than those operating under ???????????????? separate reporting directives.
????????? (5)? Certain other US and Canadian vessels including fishing vessels.
????????? (6)? Military installations receiving reports from civilian or military land based or waterborne ???????????????? observers unless operating under separate reporting directives.
????????? (7)? Government and civilian agencies which may initiate reports on receipt of information ???????????????? from land-based, airborne or waterborne observers.
can you now please stop telling me i'm making up bullshit and can you stop directing smileys such as these at me? there's really no need for that.
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Diploid
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: exclusive58]
#4673741 - 09/17/05 11:02 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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That's JANAP-146(E), not (D), but be that as it may, Commercial and Civil pilots in the US are governed by the Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) part 91 and 121, not by JANAP.
JANAP apparently also applies to everything, including merchant vessels, fishing vessels, and even civilian agencies. So from this I gather that JANAP applies to the Girl Scouts (civilian agencies) too.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: exclusive58]
#4673776 - 09/17/05 11:15 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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exclusive58 said: do you know something called google?
Yes. Are you aware of the burden of proof? If you make a claim, back it up. Don't be a chickenshit and tell others to google it. YOU google it.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Silversoul]
#4673835 - 09/17/05 11:34 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yous guys cracks me ups.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Icelander]
#4674422 - 09/17/05 03:01 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ive had a very intense ufo sighting with a good friend in high school. We were on some really real acid and lots of it, but we both saw it, and ran like hell. We may have projected this at the same time because of our seemingly inevitable coarse of conversation lead to it. However, if it wasnt real, it still was a confrontation with something real inside of us both. An archetype that was fully uncovered at the time. It was in the distance for some time and then its three green lights hovered over us within ten feet and was about the size of the elementary school we had been chilling at. I ran and so did my friend but he lagged behind. I have never been so scared in my life. I can still say we may have been young, but we were definately on to something big. (and beleive that the ufo or its human archetype was checking in on us). This was probably at the same time t. mckenna was writing about this stuff in the jungle, or may have been around the time his book"true hallucinations" came out. I read this book in later life, and was stunned. I picked that book up probably about 100 times and never picked it up (right side up)(Cause I never use a book mark). We, as high school students were infact intelligent creatures and very articulate. LSd lead us into 4 years of synchronicity, the very thing T mckenna writes about in his books. This is why we saw it(the ufo), we know this, but wouldnt bother convincing anyone. Just thought this may interest some of you.
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Ego Death
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Diploid]
#4682374 - 09/19/05 02:36 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Diploid said: THEY WON'T FOCUS!!!
Most cameras have a manual focus mode. Turn on that mode, then manually focus the lens on something far, like a star, the moon, or a distant building. This is the lens' infinity focus. Leave it set there and fire away.
Yeah lol, then you get those blurry videos that are all over the Internet, you know the ones that you guys say are proof of nothing.
Try again, as we've come full circle!
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Ego Death
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: stemmer]
#4682380 - 09/19/05 02:38 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh look yet another witness. Here let me feed your ego's - He must want attention or something.
I'm sure you will all have him bullied into line soon, so that he speaks honestly no more and withholds the forbidden truths.
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: Ego Death]
#4685579 - 09/20/05 09:33 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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danoEoboy said: Something else is that most of my friends can't see them, until I point them out!
lol funny how when you tell someone they see something, they see it.
record a video clip/take a photo, should be easy for you if you see them every night
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Ego Death
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Re: I can see at least one UFO every night! & so can u! [Re: n0xious]
#4685805 - 09/20/05 11:01 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Read the thread (or page 12), I covered that already...
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