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OfflineBehavis
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possible Psilocybe capnoides
    #4622120 - 09/05/05 12:54 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I found these mushrooms on a dead tree which has been cut down.
I've been looking around for possible matches and the Psilocybe capnoides is the one I came up with.
Oh yeah by the way I live in Belgium so that's Western Europe.
Below are a couple of pictures of the ones I found.







The strain below is a bit diffrent and might be a sortlike shroom.



Thanx in advance,
Grtz Behavis


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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: Behavis]
    #4622144 - 09/05/05 01:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I would like to see a sharper gillshot, but those closely resemble P. capnoides.


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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: Behavis]
    #4622177 - 09/05/05 01:18 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

hrmm, cool pics.  I'm pretty sure Hypholoma capnoides is the correct nomenclature for the species you suspect it to be though...  I can't verify that the mushrooms in your pictures are that species, just thought I'd point that out so no one gets the impression they're active :wink:.

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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: spores]
    #4622247 - 09/05/05 01:46 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

WoW nice Flushing Stump!

Yessup :thumbup:


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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: YESSUP]
    #4622397 - 09/05/05 02:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

i see no reason not to suspect hypholoma fasiculare


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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4622999 - 09/05/05 05:12 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, hypholoma capnoides is the correct nomenclature, but not in europe.


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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: vc77]
    #4623122 - 09/05/05 06:13 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

ok thanx for the info.

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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: vc77]
    #4623127 - 09/05/05 06:15 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

there are also plenty of european sites that list it as Hypholoma, the fact a few have it listed as Psilocybe doesn't mean much. the names are synonymous, but currently it is widely accepted by most that they belong to Hypholoma and not Psilocybe.

Current name:
Hypholoma capnoides (Fr.) P. Kumm. 1871
http://www.indexfungorum.org/Names/NamesRecord.asp?RecordID=414014

'The rule of scientific nomenclature is that the first name to be published is valid (the senior synonym); any others are junior synonyms and should not be used.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synonym

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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4624490 - 09/06/05 04:47 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Mitchnast said:
i see no reason not to suspect hypholoma fasiculare



Indeed. To me, this looks like a nice collection of fasciculare which is perhaps the most common mushroom in this region (southern Holland, Belgium).


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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: vc77]
    #4624498 - 09/06/05 04:51 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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vc77 said:
Yes, hypholoma capnoides is the correct nomenclature, but not in europe.



I wouldn't trust the site you're quoting. Look what Hendrikx thinks the fairy ring mushroom looks like:

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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: koraks]
    #4624597 - 09/06/05 05:47 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

So which strain do you guys think it is capnoides or the fasiculare or are these names synomyms?
If not do these strains contain a worth while eating amount of psilocybine?

thanx in advance,
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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: Behavis]
    #4628717 - 09/07/05 03:58 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Behavis said:
So which strain do you guys think it is capnoides or the fasiculare or are these names synomyms?



They're not synonyms, but these species do resemble each other closely. You can easily tell them apart by taste. Fasciculare tastes very bitter, while capnoides tastes a bit sweet. Your find is 99% sure fasciculare, judging from general appearance.

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If not do these strains contain a worth while eating amount of psilocybine?



Both species are inactive. Capnoides is edible, although I must stress that it's highly inadvisable (plain stupid) to eat any mushroom you're not 100% sure of the id.

If you're looking for psychedelic mushrooms, wait a bit until the weather cools down a bit and search for liberty caps (ps. semilanceata).


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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: koraks]
    #4628763 - 09/07/05 04:45 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

ok if they're inactive I'll throw them away.
by inactive you mean they don't contain any psilocybine right?


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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: Behavis]
    #4628797 - 09/07/05 05:44 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

right.


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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: spores]
    #4629137 - 09/07/05 10:52 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

DH said:


'The rule of scientific nomenclature is that the first name to be published is valid (the senior synonym); any others are junior synonyms and should not be used.'


DH





Stropharia Cubensis, then? I better not see anyone using "Psilocybe Cubensis", anymore.


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Re: possible Psilocybe capnoides [Re: psiclops]
    #4629273 - 09/07/05 11:53 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

how does that have anything to do with this thread? I gave my reason for making the distinction between hypholoma and psilocybe in this case above.

you can call P. cubensis whatever you want, but:

Current Name:
Psilocybe cubensis (Earle) Singer, Sydowia 2: 37 (1948)
http://www.indexfungorum.org/Names/GSDspecies.asp?RecordID=290107

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