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OfflineAsanteA
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What is your opinion about black people?
    #4621761 - 09/05/05 06:37 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

What's your opinion about black people? No discussion please (because we'll disagree anyway) but your uncut opinion on all aspects but especially those relating to Politics, Activism and Law.

This whole thread can go up in flames unless we remain decent to one another, but do not not hold back or infringe on your opinion.


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: Asante]
    #4621768 - 09/05/05 07:04 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I think they are trying to win their independence back the same way the whites took it: with hate.
And who wouldnt? Its a disgrace what the whites did...of course. Anyone who isnt retarded knows that. But the whites ended slavery for a reason: because its wrong and we knew it. The white culture knows what they did, and its awful. They are trying to fix it and end it..forget about it...its over like vietnam, lets get on with our lives.
It seems the black culture is a little hesitant to let it go...and who wouldnt?
What happened, happened. The whites fucked up and they know it, and the blacks arent gonna let em forget. Theyre gonna rub it in for the rest of time, which is gonna cause conflicts between the races.

Racism exists. Face it. Only time can take care of these problems.


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #4621779 - 09/05/05 07:37 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

wow, i expected some really stupid responses but you actually nailed the problem right on. cheers to you!  :thumbup:


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: eligal]
    #4621814 - 09/05/05 09:10 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Like he said, only time will fix things. We are progressing at a pretty quick pace these days, however, racism is still a large part of our society...it just isnt as much of a priority as it used to be. It seems as though people know its wrong, but they are racist anyways, so they have a public opinion, and a private one too.

Some people said that slavery is over with, and has been for a while, and people need to forgive and forget. It was not that long ago, and even after slaverly, blacks were still heavilt oppressed. Today there are more equal rights, sometimes favoring them more than white people. I dont think that is wrong, because we really need to help accellerate both cultures to the same level. White people are not smarter or more advanced, but they are the majority, and with the current circumstances, it would be foolish to say that there is no seperation umungst us.

Black people may be more willing to riot, loot, kill, etc in these poverty shit holes, but that is not their "nature" It is purely circumstancial, and while it probably is because of their race, it is because of the oppertunities that they have not recieved, and the culture they are forced to believe is theirs.

Every year that goes on, I see less and less seperation between white and black. When I live in the rich part of town, there are plenty of white / black people who would never loot. When I live in the poor part of town, there are just as many white people who would steal / kill as there are black people. The problem is not race, it is class, and it so happens that a large majority of t he lower class is black. This does not suprise me, and honestly, I dont think its their fault.

There will always be oppertunity, but who am I to say because they didnt get there, its their fault? I mean, I hate people who take the system for a ride, because they are lazy, people of any race. I could have been a billionaire by the time i was 21, I could have been the next US President, I could have, should have, would have, did not. Doesnt make me any lessser of a person.


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: Asante]
    #4621944 - 09/05/05 11:04 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I think some blacks are genetically inferior.

I think some whites are genetically inferior.

I think blacks and whites have tendancies to be geneticaly inferior in different ways.

Overall the black and white population in the us are about equal in average, maximum and minimum intelligence.


American blacks were selectively bred by the whites for many generations, and have hybridized with european genes.

I suspect that American blacks may be genetically "superior" to African blacks on average, but the African population will have higher max, and lower min.


"Superior" is of course a subjective term, So is "Intelligence". So by "superior" what I really mean is "superior by western (honky) standards".


That is how "we" breed "our" negroes.

That is how we breed ourselves.


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4621989 - 09/05/05 11:34 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Just skip the discussion, American is racist right?


For the record, I'd rather have 10 murdering, thieving blacks as friends than 1 white, pristine eurotrash.


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: Asante]
    #4622088 - 09/05/05 12:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I think they have been brought up to believe that the white man specifically but more generally society owes them something. On one hand they tend to rely on the government and thus the predominantly white man for handouts and yet at the same time hate the white man for "keeping him down".


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: Asante]
    #4622106 - 09/05/05 12:41 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

When I was kid I used to want to be black. Not in a wigger way, but in a way that probably alarmed some psychologists. I used to be obsessed with the Roots series - both the classic and the extension. I had it all on VHS. If shopping at a Cosco I would drag my mom to a particular cashier to check out simply because the cashier was black. And I was pretty young too, with no concept at all of politics or economics. There was my black neighbors. I saw them as superior to me and my family and thus I always wanted to go out there to hang out. I remember being strangely fascinated by the light skin under a black person's hand, and I remember being over joyed with euphoria when I got a dark tan one summer, and noticed the skin under my hand was later than the back of it. Eventually I grew out of my fascination of Negroids when I was 12 or so.


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: Asante]
    #4622143 - 09/05/05 01:03 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I dig them soul sistahs!!



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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #4622146 - 09/05/05 01:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

doesn't it feel like their ongoing bitterness
over history is to their own detriment?

fuck, lord knows how many different races
and cultures I should loathe for what they
did to my great great whatever.

but I'm here now, today, just trying to get
by. what good would it do?


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: afoaf]
    #4622165 - 09/05/05 01:11 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
doesn't it feel like their ongoing bitterness
over history is to their own detriment?

fuck, lord knows how many different races
and cultures I should loathe for what they
did to my great great whatever.

but I'm here now, today, just trying to get
by. what good would it do?




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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: Redstorm]
    #4622172 - 09/05/05 01:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I can certainly agree with you but I can also see a different side. I was at an event somewhere and saw how dick the cops were acting. Then I saw how shitty most people were treating the cops in the first place. If someone every day treating you like shit after a while you might start to take it out on them. Well if people treat blacks inferior all the time they might start to take it out on others. I'm not saying this always happens since I think black people are treated pretty equally buy people of my generation but I can at least understand where some of their idiocy comes from.


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: Asante]
    #4622236 - 09/05/05 01:43 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I don't mind them at all! I don't like the ones with attitude, but then again I don't like anyone with a bad attitude...


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: afoaf]
    #4622294 - 09/05/05 02:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

In many ways it is ingrained in afro-american culture to resent whites for what some white people did to their ancestors. When you grow up hearing about how white people hate you and specifically when you fall into the psychological trap of blaming all your hardships on a race/religion/group, it is hard to get out of that mindset.

It often becomes difficult to differentiate the hardships inherant to life from those directly caused by someone out to get you. This mentality also leads to apathy because when you are, say, denied a job, you tend to attribute it to your skin color and then you are less likely to try to find another interview. I know it sounds strange but many african-americans don't think that whites are ever denied jobs.

It is really the ultimate "grass is greener" mentality. I have lots of black friends where i live so i hear this stuff all the time. A lot of people don't understand that being a white male subjects you to a lot of racist and sexist hatred. Its almost as if THEY are the ones who think im better than them and they hate me for it. Kind of twisted. Im just a regular person and my life sucks, believe me. All I can do is try to work hard everyday to feed and house myself and hope others try to do the same.


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: Asante]
    #4622296 - 09/05/05 02:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I hate 'em because of the color of their skin...


haha j/k

It's never that simple, either...


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #4622329 - 09/05/05 02:14 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The white culture knows what they did, and its awful.

Slavery was practiced by the Arabs and Egyptians and black Africans long before the Europeans transported slaves to the states. Many African chieftains traded their own warriors for goods. It was hardly a uniquely white sin.


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: Swami]
    #4622400 - 09/05/05 02:30 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The Pharohs of Egypt were black and owned hundreds of thousands of slaves for almost a thousand years, so I think black people owe me something.

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I Don?t Want to be Black Anymore
By J.J. Johnson
Published 12. 17. 02 at 22:47 Sierra Time
xxx I Don?t Want to be Black Anymore
J.J. Johnson - Written: 02.28.00
It's not working, folks.

I have tried to do everything I can to be the African-American I?m supposed to be, but I just cannot continue. I am hereby resigning myself from the Black Race. And before I get death threats from my Black brethren out there, hear me out.

I have almost made it through another Black history month, in which I?m supposed to do all I can to insult White people for 28 days. I guess I should even say the Black History month is a racial conspiracy by White people since they only gave us 28 (or 29) days to rip their dignity to shreds, while the other months have 30 or 31 days. I guess it?s just another example of the Black man not getting his fair share.

Frankly, many of my Black brothas and sistas? are starting to? well... embarrass me. Can I turn on the television and not hear some Black liberal puke complaining about something?

I?ll start there ? television. First we had the NAACP (Notorious African American Communist Pigs) lambasting Hollywood for not having enough Blacks in front of (or behind) the cameras. ?We don?t see enough Black folk on TV.? An economic boycott is threatened, the ugly ?R? word is used, and Hollywood (you know, those rich White guys) capitulate. Did anyone ask were the accusations true? And if so, who really cares?

Whenever I turn my television to watch my favorite programs, I see plenty of very wealthy and successful Black men excelling in their trade/craft. But I guess the NFL, the NBA, and Major League baseball doesn?t count. It must be just me. I guess the "quota kings and queens" don?t count those folks. Then another ?study? comes out. This one says, ?While Blacks are over-represented on television, they are still given only minor roles, or are on screen for less than 5 seconds at a time.? And, of course, this too is unfair. The easy defense against this eternal whining was for anyone to just mention three letters: B.E.T

That?s right, Black Entertainment Television, where you can get all the Blackness you want, 24/7 with all those Black folks in front of (and behind) all those cameras. Gee, only about 60 million cable viewers can see that.

I guess it?s just me. Maybe Momma didn?t raise me right. Now we have that flag issue in Dixie. Most folks thought if they just took down that flag, all this controversy would just go away. After all, it?s a horrible reminder of slavery.

Strange, I can?t find a Black person in this country who can remember being a slave. I also can?t find one White person in the country who will admit to owning slaves. In fact, most of the Whites in this country (according to my investigation) had ancestors who landed on these shores long after slavery ended in North America. And I can?t repeat what some of those Irish folks told me. But, for one month I?m supposed to hate the Confederate flag. Not just waving over the South Carolina Statehouse, but on police cars in Mississippi and in front of livestock shows in Houston. I?m supposed to call for the changing of the names of bridges in Virginia, parks in Tennessee and the defacing of portraits of General Lee. I?m even supposed to support Rep. King?s (R-NY) demonizing of every Southerner in the halls on Congress. I?m supposed to support and endorse all of this because I?m a Black man.

Yes, boycott South Carolina. Boycott the entire South until they get their ?minds right.? This means, no Blacks (like me) should do any business with the South period. So, to that Black businessman in Memphis, sorry. Hope you can get some of those racist White folks to patronize your store. The NAACP says I can?t go there.

About the family reunion this year in South Carolina ? forget it. Nope, not me. Our un-elected Black leadership says we gotta boycott. Don?t worry, I?ll explain to that Black soul food caterer in Columbia that the reason he?s losing so much business this year is because of a piece of cloth hanging over the capitol building. He?ll understand.

And Florida? we?ll have to leave you out, too. You see, Governor Jeb Bush enacted a program called ?One Florida? in which anyone who finishes in the top 20% of his or her class gets a scholarship to a public University in Florida. I can?t figure it out for the life of me, but according to my Black leaders, that?s racist, too. The NAACP head (case) says we?ll boycott Florida until that?s changed. By the way, isn?t it interesting that the same people who say we should boycott everything economically are the same people who say Blacks are economically deprived in this ?White dominated? society? What they?re telling me is that Black people are too stupid to make it into the top 20% of the graduating class, and that most Black people are too stupid to see through their lies. And most of these self-appointed Black leaders probably NEVER made it into the top 20% of anything. But nevertheless, they?re my leaders. Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, Bill Bradley and Al Gore say they are, and since all these self-appointed ?oracles? are White, they must be right.

Even Secret Service is getting into the act. Some of these guys, even though they get to guard the President and the Vice President, say they haven?t got the promotions they deserve. Where?s the dignity? I guess those White Secret Service agents get to guard folks more important.

Here?s a suggestion for the Black Secret Service agents who guard those important White folks (from the south): Wanna become heroes and restore your dignity? Quit. That?ll teach ?em.

As a Black man, I?m told I should pin my hopes on making it rich when the NAACP gets their ?fair share? from suing all those guns dealers. After all it?s those gun dealers? fault for all those Black folks shooting all those Black folks. Perhaps next year, they?ll be suing bed-sheet makers, rope manufactures, and the South American drug cartels.

I have asked my Black leaders to sue the ATF, since the only product in America that ?requires? you to list your race before purchasing it is a firearm. They haven?t returned my call. But then again, the right to keep and bear arms isn?t listed under ?civil rights? anyway, is it?

It?s okay. We?ll just sue the gun-makers instead. That?ll teach them to not sell guns to us Black folks (so we can get gunned down for reaching for a wallet.) Yes, if we just sue a few more White folks, harass and slander the rest, one day ? maybe one day--we won?t have to put a prefix in front of the word ?American? anymore.

Well, I?m not waiting for that. I have done everything to try to advance the cause of personal freedom as a Black man, and to enjoy the liberty that my parents fought for, but it is just not working. These White people are just too smart for me. They made sure that I never had to wait at a Denny?s restaurant longer than anyone else does. Some of them hired me for simply having the brains to do the job. Some of them (the real sneaky ones) had the gall to judge me by the content of my character, and not the color of my skin. They?ve paid me in dollars with White slave-owners' photos on them. And, damn them, they made me earn it first.

They have allowed me to own my own business. They even went so far as to steal tax dollars from other White people to make sure I got an education ? so I could like?make it in this world.

What an evil plot. Since there is almost no reason to bitch about anything anymore, it must be?institutional racism.

I am through being used. I am fed up with trying to conform. This year, when I fill out my Census form, I will let them know that I quit. I wish to no longer be a Black American. I want nothing to do with race baiting, whining, pandering for more tax dollars; family breakdowns, and the Al Sharptons of the world.

I don?t want to be Black anymore.

I am somebody, and I don?t need Jessie Jackson to tell me that. My father already did.

I don?t want to be Black anymore.

I refuse to be used as a statistic to get more left-wing socialists into Congress.

I don?t want to be Black anymore.

There is no need to make me part of a ?protected group? as the California Governor recently stated. I can protect myself, thank you.

I don?t want to be Black anymore.

Please do not feel sorry for me anymore, White folks. That liberal pity-party really insults me, anyway.

I don?t want to be Black anymore.

You Democrats don?t have to act like you like me. I know it?s an election year. I am tired of being the Black ?sheep? of the party. Leave me alone.

I don?t want to be Black anymore.

If it means disgracing my own heritage by insulting Southern history?

I don?t want to be Black anymore.

Since making the same statements Martin Luther King, Jr. made in 1963 are now considered ?racist? and ?insensitive??

I don?t want to be Black anymore.

If it means more innocent White people are forced to go through ?sensitivity training??

I don?t want to be Black anymore.

If it means that everyone loses their freedom of speech, freedom to peaceably assemble, and their right to keep and bear arms?

I don?t want to be Black anymore.

If it means being a ward of the State, rather than a Child of God?

I don?t want to be Black anymore.

I?ll sign the papers, dammit. I?ll file the lawsuit. I?ll start the boycott this time. I have every right. I am sick of these media-selected Black prostitutes making a mockery out of my country, out of everything America stands for. I?m sick of them giving everyone else a reason to hate me.

I quit.

I no longer want a prefix in from of my label. From this point forward, I, J.J. Johnson, DEMAND that I be simply called?

?American.


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4622574 - 09/05/05 03:11 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

OK, you are no longer black. Now you are American. African American to be precise. Feel better?


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4622636 - 09/05/05 03:32 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Black on white racism is a joke, as is white on black racism. We're all American now. Segregation is gone. I digested the looting and murdering as Americans doing it, not "filthy dirty poor blacks", as most on the board seemed to. Idiots like Kanye West calling Bush a racist is ridiculous.


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Re: What is your opinion about black people? [Re: Asante]
    #4622655 - 09/05/05 03:39 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not sure where you're going with this, but what the hell...

My opinion of black people people is the same as my opinion of white/hispanic/asian people. Despite the physical differences (it would be interesting to theorize how larger/smaller dick size affects political and social views), I haven't seen anything suggesting our minds are genetically different. For the most part, all of our brains evolved in Africa. For a while, I followed a theory that brains of whites/asians have a better ability to concentrate on a given task and organize, while the brains of blacks have a better ability to improvise. It seemed promising for a while, but I don't know if it ever panned out past basic musings.

My opinion of black culture is a bit different. At least in western societies. But I don't know if that's what you're asking about... My upbringing has made me sheepish when it comes to assigning judgments on the many many things outside of what I'm intimately familiar with. I'll just say this: While I do think some of the black community has been shaped by past abuse inflicted upon it, the major issue, as it is in all cultures, is the love, education and abuse passed down through generations.

Racism, from any and all directions, doesn't help us as a society/nation/group/whatever. Yet I think that we're all predispositioned to fear, shun and keep our distance from those that are plainly different from us. Coming to terms with that is a must.


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