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OfflineMagicalMystery
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Under what ocnditions would you support warfare / killing
    #4616894 - 09/03/05 06:19 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

MJShroomer (Is that the REAL mushroom john? If so, thanks for the spore-hunting!) posted about War and how he was tired of it. I totally agree, but I'm not against killing per se. Their are times when you need to defend yourself against an aggressor. For those of you opposed to the Iraq oil-hunting expedition, when would you accept using US troops to kill others? When would you kill another?


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Re: Under what ocnditions would you support warfare / killing [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4616923 - 09/03/05 06:33 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Considering the world attitude that we have created that is a tough question. A hitler style military is something that has to be prevented. But in 99% of all cases I would say only to use military force to protect our homeland from a direct attack. Soldiers never leaving our soil. Just because another country has some problems doesn't mean we need to drop bombs and send troops. One country cannot be the worlds police.

We have created such an atmosphere around the world that war is almost unavoidible in the majority of public mindset. Though I am not apart of that majority. I think if we held our leaders accountable for the war crimes they have commited that would be an exellent start to showing the world we want to work peacefully with them. But since that is never going to happen the rest of the world is never going to believe that we really intend to do what we say. Since all we do is lie over and over. Can't make friends like that.


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Re: Under what ocnditions would you support warfare / killing [Re: Sycronica]
    #4616930 - 09/03/05 06:37 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

^^^^ i agree with what you said ^^^^


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Re: Under what ocnditions would you support warfare / killing [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4616937 - 09/03/05 06:41 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

i fully supported afganistan after sept11. i did buy that it was totally committed by muslim extremists then...maybe it was. anyway yeah id say afganistan was needed. somalia helping the starving folks was the right thing to do. i didnt mind airstriking bosnia when the serbs were trying to commit genocide. as long as there is actually a good reason behind the action. other then lets say oil, or a personal family vendetta against an enemy leader.


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Re: Under what ocnditions would you support warfare / killing [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4616965 - 09/03/05 06:54 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Self-defense.


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Re: Under what ocnditions would you support warfare / killing [Re: Redstorm]
    #4616986 - 09/03/05 07:00 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I support warfare and killing when it is necessary. Necessity is not clearly defined, and never will be, but it is the fact of our existence and to sway from it in the name of a philosophical flavor of the week is dangerous and foolish.


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Re: Under what ocnditions would you support warfare / killing [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4617019 - 09/03/05 07:18 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

When warfare and killing will not only help those doing the deeds, but when it is also noticeably beneficial for the survival or expansion of that side. This happens in war, but war is not the only time these criteria are met.


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Re: Under what ocnditions would you support warfare / killing [Re: Ravus]
    #4617029 - 09/03/05 07:23 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

So expanding our lands would fit that model?


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Re: Under what ocnditions would you support warfare / killing [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4617048 - 09/03/05 07:35 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

If the profit gained from the expansion overcame the problems caused, including the warfare, killing and energy and time expended, then yes.


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Re: Under what ocnditions would you support warfare / killing [Re: Ravus]
    #4617058 - 09/03/05 07:43 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

So taking over Iraq, Iran, Saudi and Venezula would be ok?


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Re: Under what ocnditions would you support warfare / killing [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4617064 - 09/03/05 07:45 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

I doubt it. The negatives from such an invasion would be monumental; we'd have dead troops, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, terrorists to deal with, etc.

Most of the time, war does not fit my criteria, and we end up losing a lot more than we gain. Both the Iraq War and the Vietnam War are pretty good examples.


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Re: Under what ocnditions would you support warfare / killing [Re: Ravus]
    #4617067 - 09/03/05 07:46 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

And massive amounts of oil. We'd just fence in the oil fields and let everything else go.


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Re: Under what ocnditions would you support warfare / killing [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4617096 - 09/03/05 08:01 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

MagicalMystery said:
Their are times when you need to defend yourself against an aggressor. For those of you opposed to the Iraq oil-hunting expedition, when would you accept using US troops to kill others? When would you kill another?




i would say i personally would never kill another unless i was trapped in the heat of the moment and facing life or death. that would come as more of a fight or flight response we all have wired in. i would never put myself in the position of having that option though. although that doesn't mean that situation doesn't find me. i would never say it was justified for anyone to kill except for the purpose of defense. defense isn't traditionally defined as preemptive or unprovoked attacks (Iraq), but it seems the view of self defense is all in the eye of the beholder.

say our country did turn in to a war zone and we were given only a few choices, what would i do then?
stay and fight?
wait it out and do nothing?
or just flee?

i would select the flee option. there is always a way out, most usually off the beaten path. i am not one for fighting or dying, let others kill themselves and revert to caveman mentality in a third world cesspool ( New Orleans), i would rather stick it out somewhere else where i can continue as i always have.
i have no problem leaving everything behind and living in the land like Buddha until the smoke clears. it would be much better to live in peace happily then it would to fight.

i guess it is as the wheel of life represents. escaping the circle...
i guess i am off point though..
i would not kill.. i would try to find a way out first.


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