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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: MagicalMystery]
#4615327 - 09/03/05 02:45 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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MagicalMystery said: If you walk 2 miles per hour, which is very slow, for five hours a day, for three days, thats thirty miles in any direction that you could be. I'm not saying that they'd be walking to Shangri-la, but it would be better than where they are now. I saw thousands of cars leaving the city, so you can't tell me that a lot of people down there don't own vehicles. Also, it's hard to imagine someone being so poor that they don't have a car.
I'm just telling you what I know. New Orleans has about half a million people down in there so yea, you must've saw a shitload of cars.
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FEMA can do way more than martial law. FEMA has the power to suspend the Constitution. However, I think that martial law is required now. Your sentance is exactly right; first people are walking around with weapons, and second,in response to that, I say shoot to kill. It's not as if I were saying "Kill 'em all!" the day before it happened. I don't think that "survival looters" should be shot. I think that people who have made the decision to go out armed and shooting at innocents brought it upon themselves. You can't throw a Care Bear doll at them and expect them to drop their guns. If they start it, we'll finish it. The National Guard versus gang members. Should be a pretty quick fight.
These people live in New Orleans. That's probably an upper-hand.
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If stopping rapes and snipers who take potshots at firemen and doctors is "warfare"', I don't see how it's evil. It's a cleaning process.
I just used the evil face for fun. They have permission to shoot and kill all looters, not just "survival" looters.
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So you are basically saying that you don't want the national guard / police to put down the violent looters in the city because it's bad for America, and you want us to have to endure that? That ALMOST was enough to convince me to change my mind, but no.
I'm saying I don't particularly care what happens. I just hope maybe the citizens will do some "cleaning up" as well but, vica versa of course .
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: trick]
#4615375 - 09/03/05 03:08 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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trick said: I'm just telling you what I know. New Orleans has about half a million people down in there so yea, you must've saw a shitload of cars.
They can still walk. Not to be harsh, but sometimes you just gotta suck it up and do watcha gotta do.
 Thats just one picture out of the hundreds.
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These people live in New Orleans. That's probably an upper-hand.
Hardly. The National Guard will destroy them. We aren't talking about who has the upper hand, we are discussing the morality of it and the selection of these people to be shot. It's THEIR actions that initiated it. If it weren't for them shooting people and helicopters, the NG wouldn't be in there shooting at them.
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I just used the evil face for fun. They have permission to shoot and kill all looters, not just "survival" looters.
No they don't, thats absurd. They can't shoot someone for theft, thats just beyond bullshit. They are shooting ARMED criminals.
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I'm saying I don't particularly care what happens. I just hope maybe the citizens will do some "cleaning up" as well but, vica versa of course .
Who do you hope the armed looters "Clean up"? What the hell are you talking about
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: MagicalMystery]
#4615392 - 09/03/05 03:24 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Also, it's hard to imagine someone being so poor that they don't have a car.
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: Asante]
#4615426 - 09/03/05 03:46 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seriously, a buy-here-pay-here car dealer asks for about 1,000$ down, and you can even pay on that till you have it down. horrific credit wouldn't matter because they don't do a check. After that 200$ a month is nothing. If you can't get a job where you can afford a car, it's sure as hell not America/bush/anyone-but-your-damn-self's fault.
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: Swami]
#4615428 - 09/03/05 03:48 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Swami said: Curious as to your views on the social breakdown in New Orleans. Does this seem "normal" or expected for such a disaster or yet another sign of decay?
Non-US citizens only please!
i don't think it is normal there has been disasters in the country that i live that has lasted for weeks and everybody ends up helping one and another and respecting laws and such all the way through the disaster. is it just America that is fucked up or is it just certain countries that like to look out for one and another?
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: MagicalMystery]
#4615451 - 09/03/05 04:02 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Seriously, a buy-here-pay-here car dealer asks for about 1,000$ down, and you can even pay on that till you have it down. horrific credit wouldn't matter because they don't do a check. After that 200$ a month is nothing.
You are oblivious to the realities of poverty. Oblivious people tend to deny a lack of informedness but take it from me: you are oblivious to the realities of poverty. And now back on topic.
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: Asante]
#4615458 - 09/03/05 04:10 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry man, it's not like I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth. Iwas washing dishes when I was 14 saving money so I could buy a car when I was 16, and I did.
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: MagicalMystery]
#4615583 - 09/03/05 06:37 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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What the hell does you washing dishes have to do with being poor?
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: MagicalMystery]
#4615635 - 09/03/05 07:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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MagicalMystery said: Sorry man, it's not like I was born with a silver spoon in my mouth. Iwas washing dishes when I was 14 saving money so I could buy a car when I was 16, and I did.
Now THAT'S poverty! 
Anyway i stand by my feelings on this. I think that the events in New Orleans wouldn't happen just anywhere, and both civillian and governmental reaction are indictments of American culutre.
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: Asante]
#4615654 - 09/03/05 08:08 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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You are oblivious to the realities of poverty. Oblivious people tend to deny a lack of informedness but take it from me: you are oblivious to the realities of poverty. And now back on topic.
"Survival of the fittest" and the myth of entrepreneurism still run wild in the United States. It's very easy to say these were "just a few ignorant blacks" who decided to take advantage of a lawless situation and load up on a few material possessions, but it's much deeper than that. I didn't consider them "blacks," when I read and saw the looting; I considered them American. Just as everyone else around the world does. When you are born into poverty, poor economic conditions, violence, drug addiction, it's very difficult to rise above it. Many people refuse to acknowledge American history when taking into account the current living conditions of most African Americans in urban areas. It's much easier to just call them "lazy" and ignore it.
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: bukkake]
#4615719 - 09/03/05 08:38 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Licoln Freed the slaves in the 1860's what the fuck have black people done since then? Nothing. The perpetuate this bullshit victim syndrome. I mean seriously life goes on so what there great gran-dady was a slave they have to live their life now. They get all kinds of free medical care, education, college grants. What do they do with that nothing. Like RF said theres alot of white trash but theres alot more black trash. Just ask Bill Cosby.
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4615789 - 09/03/05 09:11 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I wasn't suggesting we pay reparations, nor was I suggesting I suffer from "white guilt." I must emphasize, when slavery was illegalized, blacks were given nothing. White, indentured slaves, on the other hand, when freed, were given some land, cattle, money. After slavery was abolished, blacks could find very little work. What the hell is a black man to do when he cannot find a job because racism is still running rampant or when he has nowhere to live? Yeah, he's "free." That's about it.
The root of that poverty has since festered in rural/urban areas. That is and was the government's fault because they were ignored and oppression still continued despite abolition. You can compare it to a third world country, for instance. Where the the poor outweigh the rich by ridiculous numbers. The difference is, racism still isn't a huge problem in those countries and they have no welfare system. Whereas, we have a welfare system that's fucked and constantly abused.
I look at it as more to do with economic struggle than racism. Racism was non-existent the first few hundred years in the United States and white and black slaves commonly rebelled against their lords.
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4615791 - 09/03/05 09:13 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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im with you man. fuk them blacks. they should go back to africa if they don't like it here. maybe they can get aids. AIDS proves that god hates black and gays, because he does. all blacks are on welfare, lets see how they can get welfare in the jungle back in africa. besides the holocaust never actually happened.
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: exclusive58]
#4615865 - 09/03/05 09:39 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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exclusive58 said: haha, you're saying order needs to be restored by force in an already chaotic place...killing more people is only going to make the place more chaotic. you don't reinstall order with chaos.
and i don't get your reasoning, you'd rather have someone's death than someone's material possession being taken away?
I disagree. If we let thugs run around without doing anything, they will continue to do shit like firing on aid workers and victimizing other people. Force must be met with force. Certain people have stepped outside of the normal boundaries of social behavior and they are causing chaos because of it. I say blow their brains out.
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exclusive58 said: and the government and the insurance companies are going to finance what has been lost and destroyed (i think)..so who really cares about a few thousand dollars worth of clothing or jewelry being stolen?
And where do insurance companies and the government get their money? From me! A bunch of insurance claims will mean that my (and everybody elses) premiums go up. My money will also be spent by the federal government to rebuild that city. So, the more destruction and mayhem that happens the more of my money that is going to be spent to fix it.
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exclusive58 said: in the end, the question is "how much is a man's life worth?" and just by me having to ask this question, it pretty much shows the gravity of it all.
How much is someone's life worth who is running around thieving and victimizing people? Nothing in my opinion.
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exclusive58 said: i've also heard someone say how the "cowboy" mentality shows up once again through all of this.
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#4615882 - 09/03/05 09:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: I do however think that "trash" is more likely to be confined to poor people because people who can't get their lives together financially oftentimes cannot get their lives together morally or socially.
This whole situation is a symptom of how fucked up the black community in America is.
You my friend are very misled. You honestly believe that ""trash"" is confined to poor (and most of the time black) citizens???
You misread me. Trash exists in every socio-economic class; rich white men included. But, I think that trash is more likely to exist amongst poor people. I know this for a fact because I used to live in a housing project. Most of the people around my mother and I at that place were trash.
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mattzdope said: RICH white men and men of races other than black are responsible for far more murders (most unsolved and never talked about) than any PETTY street level gang.
Leftist class warfare talk is never based on fact, it is always based upon ideology.
Black males are eight times as likely to commit homicides as white males in America.
The only rich white man that I can think of who is complicit in a bunch of deaths is the President. I personally think that he should be tried in a court of law and executed.
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Re: How do non-Americans view the anarchy? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#4615919 - 09/03/05 10:05 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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The only rich white man that I can think of who is complicit in a bunch of deaths is the President. I personally think that he should be tried in a court of law and executed.
and make dick cheney POTUS??...i dont think so...
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