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Love the packaging (atropa)
    #4615800 - 09/03/05 11:16 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)



Comes with instructions on planting not warnings though =)

Love it!


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: JaRRn]
    #4675276 - 09/17/05 10:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Never grown Dwale myself , Many species / cultivars of Datura and brugmansia, becareful handling the plants , they are powerful medicine , and can quite easily absorb into the skin through a cut or simply excessive handling... Tropane deleriants may not be what most expect, it is likely to be the most hellish experience anyone ever willingly put on themselves , but can also changes one life , if it instills any sort of respect, which if it dosent kill someone, I think it typicaly would ... The hallucinations go away eventually, the spirits dont ... keep that in mind ... - Trancedancer


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: Tranceharper]
    #4675378 - 09/17/05 10:57 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I have never experienced the deleriant properties of these plants, but I love this quote:

"The hallucinations go away eventually, the spirits dont..."

But I have handled various daturas and belladonna atropa quite a lot, without even the slightest hint of skin absorption. Maybe it could be absorbed through a cut, but I wouldn't worry about skin absorption. YMMV.

I also love the quote of someone here, which went something like "it's like riding a rotting horse into Hell."

Be careful with the nightshades :inlove:.


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: Openminded]
    #4675405 - 09/17/05 11:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

the juice in seedpods is readily absorbed. I dont think its a serious risk to handle the plants , unless someone was not aware that its possible for them to absorb, and starts to feel a bit odd . It is true, the spirits do not go away ... This is not always as fun as it might seem , if you are not one to spook easily, and are aware of the reality that is layered all around us, its at best, a mixed blessing . Not geting into a recipe as do not want to be specificly responsible, these plants are also very much medicinal in nature , a very similar, though less concentrated form of ' Salve , balm ' or ointment , from them , is my first choice when I injure myself severely, and do not have to go out of my home for a few days. 'Flying Ointments' do produce the strongest of any intoxications I know of , people dont really think about it . Just becareful with the plants in general , they are if nothing else , beautiful garden plants


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: Openminded]
    #4675416 - 09/17/05 11:08 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I also think that would-be experimenters should read quotes such as:

"The brugmansia and datura totally changed my life, not by "opening magical doors of awareness," but by slaping much needed respect into me, rather quickly, something about being brought near death, and held over the cliff, and asked 'Do you live, or do you die.'"

I just think it should be made ABSOLUTELY clear that the nightshades are not recreational. They are a VERY REAL DANGER.

(I'm not one of those people who say "I've done it, but you shouldn't." I have never done it, and I never want to.)


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: Openminded]
    #4675451 - 09/17/05 11:18 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Just to add to the absorption issue: Of course, be very careful. But I have handled all parts of hyoscyamus niger, atropa belladonna, datura metel, datura stramonium, datura inoxia and a brugmansia sp. without ill effects. IME, accidentally dosing yourself doesn't seem very possible.
But be careful, anyway. These plants can and really do KILL.

God, I can think of nothing worse than being left with nightshade spirits! Everything that I have read makes it sound truly horrible.


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: Openminded]
    #4675509 - 09/17/05 11:32 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

The filter is removed, good spirits, bad spirits , and in between are all apparent, I will say, if one is a good person to begin with , and has any faith that good is more powerful than evil, it is not the horror that people say, but then, most are not fermilar with dealing with these things when they for all practical purposes feel sober. I am not one saying' I did it, but you shouldent ' I will say, that if you do decide to , the things these plants reveal, come at very high costs, aside from the mental effects, the heart is most deffinatly effected as a result of this , as is vision for some time , eyes will 'almost randomly ' dilate , undilate , for months as a result , with no rhyme or reason , or so it would seem , It is very noticable around full and new moons ... As with any major decision in ones life, they need to make the choice themselves , I just hope people are aware of the dangers of these plants. I read somewhere of how the brugmansia are viewed in the andes , in relationship to the sacred cacti of the region, the brugmansia is considered in only the most dire circumstances , and equates to "Botanical Shock Therapy " , The fragrance of these, especialy brugmansia versicolor from my experience, is in and of itself intoxicating , I learned that some time ago, keeping half a dozen blooming plants indoor underneath my window in a 10x12' room ... ( Edit Button is my friend around the Full / New Moons :wink: - Tranceharper


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: Tranceharper]
    #4675697 - 09/18/05 12:17 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"I am not one saying 'I did it, but you shouldnt.'"

Just to be clear, I was not suggesting that you were!


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: Openminded]
    #4675872 - 09/18/05 12:56 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Its all good :wink:


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: JaRRn]
    #4677119 - 09/18/05 11:31 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

JaRRn said:
Comes with instructions on planting not warnings though =)





I figure the word 'deadly' on the package is usualy a suitable warning


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #4677175 - 09/18/05 11:55 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i think the main danger in the touch is if u handle alot of it an then go out to lunch.
wash yer hands n all that...

anyways, i think belladonna realy does have the nicest foiliage,
heres mine:


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4677488 - 09/18/05 02:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

That's a very healthy looking plant. My belladonna plants are dying back now for the winter, but they have good thick root systems, so I'll see them again in the spring :laugh:.

"I figure the word 'deadly' on the package is usualy a suitable warning"

Lol!


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: Openminded]
    #4678380 - 09/18/05 07:16 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

That is nice foliage O_O will need to grow a few in garden next year :wink:


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: Tranceharper]
    #4678575 - 09/18/05 08:14 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

thxz :smile:
i picked it as one of my forst projects because it grows in the wild here.


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Re: Love the packaging (atropa) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4678619 - 09/18/05 08:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Solanaeace has some of the more interesting plants on earth within its clan ... Only two grow in my area , Solanum Dulcamaa ( Bittersweet ) and Solanum Nigrum . No tropane nightshades :/ . They do just fine in a garden though, and I would guess if not kept in check, Datura Inoxia could become a farmers worst nightmare ... err I am a farmer , but I dont mind having them in garden :wink: just dont want them out everywhere in fields ... O_o - Tranceharper


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