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 Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina 
#4615674 - 09/03/05 10:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Friday, September 2nd, 2005
Vacation is Over... an open letter from Michael Moore to George W. Bush
Friday, September 2nd, 2005
Dear Mr. Bush:
Any idea where all our helicopters are? It's Day 5 of Hurricane Katrina and thousands remain stranded in New Orleans and need to be airlifted. Where on earth could you have misplaced all our military choppers? Do you need help finding them? I once lost my car in a Sears parking lot. Man, was that a drag.
Also, any idea where all our national guard soldiers are? We could really use them right now for the type of thing they signed up to do like helping with national disasters. How come they weren't there to begin with?
Last Thursday I was in south Florida and sat outside while the eye of Hurricane Katrina passed over my head. It was only a Category 1 then but it was pretty nasty. Eleven people died and, as of today, there were still homes without power. That night the weatherman said this storm was on its way to New Orleans. That was Thursday! Did anybody tell you? I know you didn't want to interrupt your vacation and I know how you don't like to get bad news. Plus, you had fundraisers to go to and mothers of dead soldiers to ignore and smear. You sure showed her!
I especially like how, the day after the hurricane, instead of flying to Louisiana, you flew to San Diego to party with your business peeps. Don't let people criticize you for this -- after all, the hurricane was over and what the heck could you do, put your finger in the dike?
And don't listen to those who, in the coming days, will reveal how you specifically reduced the Army Corps of Engineers' budget for New Orleans this summer for the third year in a row. You just tell them that even if you hadn't cut the money to fix those levees, there weren't going to be any Army engineers to fix them anyway because you had a much more important construction job for them -- BUILDING DEMOCRACY IN IRAQ!
On Day 3, when you finally left your vacation home, I have to say I was moved by how you had your Air Force One pilot descend from the clouds as you flew over New Orleans so you could catch a quick look of the disaster. Hey, I know you couldn't stop and grab a bullhorn and stand on some rubble and act like a commander in chief. Been there done that.
There will be those who will try to politicize this tragedy and try to use it against you. Just have your people keep pointing that out. Respond to nothing. Even those pesky scientists who predicted this would happen because the water in the Gulf of Mexico is getting hotter and hotter making a storm like this inevitable. Ignore them and all their global warming Chicken Littles. There is nothing unusual about a hurricane that was so wide it would be like having one F-4 tornado that stretched from New York to Cleveland.
No, Mr. Bush, you just stay the course. It's not your fault that 30 percent of New Orleans lives in poverty or that tens of thousands had no transportation to get out of town. C'mon, they're black! I mean, it's not like this happened to Kennebunkport. Can you imagine leaving white people on their roofs for five days? Don't make me laugh! Race has nothing -- NOTHING -- to do with this!
You hang in there, Mr. Bush. Just try to find a few of our Army helicopters and send them there. Pretend the people of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are near Tikrit.
Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
www.MichaelMoore.com
P.S. That annoying mother, Cindy Sheehan, is no longer at your ranch. She and dozens of other relatives of the Iraqi War dead are now driving across the country, stopping in many cities along the way. Maybe you can catch up with them before they get to DC on September 21st.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: mjshroomer]
#4615729 - 09/03/05 10:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like Michael Moores Documentary Bowling for Columbine but since 9/11 he is just an idiot.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: mjshroomer]
#4615735 - 09/03/05 10:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I like how he calls him Mr. Bush. I wish that would catch on.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: question_for_joo]
#4615745 - 09/03/05 10:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah it would be great if the whole country where unpatriotic pussies.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4615772 - 09/03/05 11:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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awesome i must say.
MM has no stoping him lol.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4615775 - 09/03/05 11:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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and what are you doing for this country "Mr Patriotic" *cough cough*
That is I mean besides posting of drug themed message boards defending you nobel commander in chief?
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: blu3]
#4615783 - 09/03/05 11:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im patriotic. I have a flag sticker on my car.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: blu3]
#4615787 - 09/03/05 11:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
blu3 said:
and what are you doing for this country "Mr Patriotic" *cough cough*
That is I mean besides posting of drug themed message boards defending you nobel commander in chief?
Defending the President is by definition patriotic. So im doing more than you.
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Be lonesome and you will be free
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That's what livin' is to me
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4615809 - 09/03/05 11:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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By that definition every republican was nonpatriotic from 1992-2000. Your definition of patriotism sounds like something Britney Spears would think.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: mjshroomer]
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4615817 - 09/03/05 11:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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How is defending The President the definition of patriotism? What if, hypothetically of course, the President was ruining the US? Wouldn't it be more patriotic to criticize him/her?
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4615830 - 09/03/05 11:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Here's what I believe. I believe that the great city of New Orleans will rise again and be a greater city of New Orleans. (Applause.) I believe the town where I used to come from, Houston, Texas, to enjoy myself -- occasionally too much -- (laughter) -- will be that very same town, that it will be a better place to come to. That's what I believe."
-- George W. Bush
ok.. I'll admit!! I'm not bush fan, he's my president.. I didn't vote for that.. but I lost.
I still think I can voice opinions without being dubbed "unpatriotic".
I'm living im Houston right now so I'm witnessing first hand the devastation that Katrina has done to LA. and it's population. They aren't bullshitting when the media is telling stories of people walking to Houston with New born babies in their arms that haven't eaten in 3 days. Or massive amounts of bodies lieing in the streets.
Bush launches massive attacks in other countries... we even help more for sunami victims but he can't send enough people down south to make sure that a NEWBORN CAN GET FOOD!?!? WTF? There's something wrong with that. Man, these people that are dieing are not strangers. They are you and ME.. they speak the same language we do, they live in the same country, and rely on the same president.
So, excuse me that I'm not rushing to Mr. bushes defense when I've been seeing hungry, dirty, and dieing people everyday on T.V. and spending my time with them at night. You come down here and volunteer some of your time and look in the eyes of an american who has lost everything they've ever worked for with no hope of ever getting it back, an american who had to wait 3 days on roof for someone to help them, an american who lost their wife or husband or child and YOU tell THEM Bush is a great guy and if doing everything he can. When they didn't see a single fucking helicopter or national guardsmen.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: question_for_joo]
#4615832 - 09/03/05 11:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hell I didn't like slick willy but I didn't disrespect him like you guys do Bush. I looked at President Clinton as that the President. But don't forget Bush hasn't yet used the military to murder hundreds of American citizens like Clinton did in Waco.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: Learyfan]
#4615841 - 09/03/05 11:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because he's fighting in Iraq to protect our freedoms.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: blu3]
#4615846 - 09/03/05 11:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
blu3 said:
"Here's what I believe. I believe that the great city of New Orleans will rise again and be a greater city of New Orleans. (Applause.) I believe the town where I used to come from, Houston, Texas, to enjoy myself -- occasionally too much -- (laughter) -- will be that very same town, that it will be a better place to come to. That's what I believe."
-- George W. Bush
ok.. I'll admit!! I'm not bush fan, he's my president.. I didn't vote for that.. but I lost.
I still think I can voice opinions without being dubbed "unpatriotic".
I'm living im Houston right now so I'm witnessing first hand the devastation that Katrina has done to LA. and it's population. They aren't bullshitting when the media is telling stories of people walking to Houston with New born babies in their arms that haven't eaten in 3 days. Or massive amounts of bodies lieing in the streets.
Bush launches massive attacks in other countries... we even help more for sunami victims but he can't send enough people down south to make sure that a NEWBORN CAN GET FOOD!?!? WTF? There's something wrong with that. Man, these people that are dieing are not strangers. They are you and ME.. they speak the same language we do, they live in the same country, and rely on the same president.
So, excuse me that I'm not rushing to Mr. bushes defense when I've been seeing hungry, dirty, and dieing people everyday on T.V. and spending my time with them at night. You come down here and volunteer some of your time and look in the eyes of an american who has lost everything they've ever worked for with no hope of ever getting it back, an american who had to wait 3 days on roof for someone to help them, an american who lost their wife or husband or child and YOU tell THEM Bush is a great guy and if doing everything he can. When they didn't see a single fucking helicopter or national guardsmen.
Like I said before Bush didn't make the Disaster happen nature did. There are plenty of troops here to aid the victims. But if you have ever had to deal with anything Gov. related either right or left it takes TIME. They never do anything fast. No matter who in the gov. your dealing with. Bush has no control over the response time. Actually as of right now there is a massive air lift and the rest of the people at the super dome and those suffering in NO will be in houston or other cities.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: bukkake]
#4615850 - 09/03/05 11:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because he's fighting in Iraq to protect our freedoms.
Maybe not your freedoms but your interests.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: blu3]
#4615852 - 09/03/05 11:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I did not vote for him and he is definitely not my president.
mj
I love my country but fuck the government. They are suppose to govern but they rule.
He who has the gold = Rules.
Bottom line. IT is there government, the politicians who mostly all use to be prosecuting attorneys and or other lawyers. Why else are we so fucked that they can give billions of our tax dolalrs away to every country in theo world and not give the same to millions of Americans who need new schools, better education, safe neighborhood s and schools to go to and better health care and quit feeding these large corpotrations with tax writeoffs, etc.
Governments suck. They are not my god or my parents and I will be damned it they can tell me what I can or cannot do.
They only take care of theirselves.
not us. Yweah give all our money away to their friends. Shit, the people in the countries all of that aid money goes to never get it. It s used to support their represive governments.
And Israel will probably get us allo blown to bits with their 2000 yer old war witht he palitininas and muslims anyway./
have a shroomy day. I am off to se Asia inthemorning for shroom adventures in far away jungles and rice paddies.
bye for now,
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4615869 - 09/03/05 11:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hell I didn't like slick willy but I didn't disrespect him like you guys do Bush. I looked at President Clinton as that the President. But don't forget Bush hasn't yet used the military to murder hundreds of American citizens like Clinton did in Waco.
I'm pretty sure that blind adherence to the word of the president
is the LAST thing that would ever be called patriotism in america.
Secondly, you don't seem to have ANY grasp of what actually
happened at Waco, so it's probably smarter for you to just
not try to wield those falsehoods in an argument. You'll just
wind up looking silly and without credibility.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: mjshroomer]
#4615870 - 09/03/05 11:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Man, Michael Moore is Jesus Christ in the flesh.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4615878 - 09/03/05 11:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I never meant to imply that bush wanted this hurrican to happen. I just don't think people who aren't seeing this first hand realize how bad it is. Our basic goal is to evacuate 80% of new orleans and its surrounding subdivision.
When you walk around the astrodome or arena people are holding up signs with peoples names looking for family that could very well be dead.... but we wouldnt know that because noone has even started collecting the dead.
Its hot down here... and these bodies are just laying in the street... not a pretty picture. Imagine one of those bodies could be your grandmother.
I do know that some national guard got there pretty quickly so I don't buy all this red tape crap.. I mean he is our commander-in-chief. What I think may have happened is that he didn't think it was goinig to be "that bad" which later on in a press conference he'll call "bad intelligence" (stole that  ) which is why he didn't pull troops from iraq eariler. Becuase I do know that yesterday he was order about 1,000 troops home from iraq to help with this distaster.
So yes.. he is doing the best he can do NOW, but I think it would have been best to send the order in the evening of the storm.
My mom and I watched it all night and we knew.. just from the news reports that it was going to be a really bad one.
oh well.. what ya gonna do ?? what's done it done and now all we can do is try to make everything ok for our fellow countrymen.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: afoaf]
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Quote:
QuantumMeltdown said:
Hell I didn't like slick willy but I didn't disrespect him like you guys do Bush. I looked at President Clinton as that the President. But don't forget Bush hasn't yet used the military to murder hundreds of American citizens like Clinton did in Waco.
I'm pretty sure that blind adherence to the word of the president
is the LAST thing that would ever be called patriotism in america.
Secondly, you don't seem to have ANY grasp of what actually
happened at Waco, so it's probably smarter for you to just
not try to wield those falsehoods in an argument. You'll just
wind up looking silly and without credibility.
Do you mind enlightening me on what happened at Waco? I would like to hear your take on it.
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Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: blu3]
#4615894 - 09/03/05 11:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well Blu your right the Blam game is a waste of time. There are people suffering and politics can wait.
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Be lonesome and you will be free
Live a lie and you will live to regret it
That's what livin' is to me
That's what livin' is to me"
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4615926 - 09/03/05 12:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ATF targeted the branch davidians for trumped up weapons charges.
Koresh offered to allow agents to come in and view the weapons
up close to verify that they were all legal and unmodified.
ATF was up for new budget in the coming months.
Instead of peacefully sorting it out, they instead chose to use
the compound in waco as an example of their great power and
to justify more budget for more raids using media savvy.
The night before they attacked the Branch Davidian compound,
they (ATF) actually reached out to the local news media to
let them know that something big was going to go down the
next day out there.
The Branch Davidians (I believe) were even called and warned.
When the ATF arrived, with truckloads of men in assault gear
carrying weapons, many of which lacking ANY semblance of
assault training they began to fire, almost immediately at the
building. No knock, no warrant, very little conversation, just
started shooting.
They have audio and video of this whole thing...even of someone
from inside calling the cops asking WTF, they are firing on us,
they are firing on us!
At that point, the Branch Davidians begin to return fire, a tough
choice, but considering the actions of the government, slightly
understandable.
A few casualties are confirmed on both sides, ATF retreats and
then calls in the FBI...the rest is a giant circus for however many
days it carried on until the government started to pump the entire
building, constructed largely of timber, full of a nerve gas that was
KNOWN to be flammable, was outlawed and unused in other countries
and by some domestic agencies because of this very fact.
Furthermore, they pumped that nerve gas into a solid concrete space
that they knew was full of women and children for an exorbitant
amount of time.
When no one came out, probably due to the fact that the building was
destroyed around them and they were trapped in a small concrete room,
crippled by HIGH concentrations of poisonous nerve gas, the gubment
decided to start shooting ordinance into the building with incendiary
qualities...which leads to the big fire.
You can read James Bovard's well researched write ups of the event.
If you don't like reading, you can rent Waco: Rules of Engagement
which is also pretty even handed and informative.
Or you could keep on believing the skewed and incorrect soap opera
the news media played out for us all involving kidnapped and abused
children and all those other falsehoods we were fed to help justify
the government's response.
Either way, the important thing for you to note is that Bill Clinton did
not start that fight. That was an ATF and then FBI operation.
The ATF fucked it up, the FBI made it worse.
I will concede that Reno and Clinton sure didn't step in to intervene
the way they should have.
But, if you want to play that game...I didn't see Bush break his
vacation until 3 days after the storm was over and the scene had
escalated into shear madness. I don't see him intervening on behalf
of the Plame probe when it's pretty clear that there is someone in
his Administration leaking information. I don't see him intervening
on behalf of our nation's reputation by making sure the gulag at
gitmo is handled in a way fitting for a national superpower to run
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4615930 - 09/03/05 12:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd love to hear your take now, please.
The one with Bill Clinton riding in on a white horse
firing at David Koresh and setting the building on fire.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: afoaf]
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I'd love to hear your take now, please.
The one with Bill Clinton riding in on a white horse
firing at David Koresh and setting the building on fire.
Hey dude. I didn't say that. What is wrong is that happened under Clintons watch. Like you said he didn't step in to intervene. Bush hasn't had an assualt on Americans on his watch yet. By the way it was a good sumary of events. The thing that happens usually though is that everyone blames the President at the time, much like everyone blames the Quarterback of a football team. Gitmo isn't a gulag and the thing with Bush being on vacation is bullshit. Presidents can make their decisions from anywhere now adays doesn't matter if they are from the White House or Texas.
I never said Clinton rode in on a white horse. But that bitch Reno that he appointed certainly didn't do much to help the situation and its arguable that she didn't add fuel to the fire if not give the orders.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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Please tell me what decisions bush was making to help
the disaster while he was on vacation for the whole
thing?
What was he doing to make sure things were getting
done to help aid the rescue and relief efforts?
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: afoaf]
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He says go help them. Then its up to the other channels of government to actually go act on the orders.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: mjshroomer]
#4615959 - 09/03/05 12:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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After reading this letter, I sure hope Moore has contributed alot to the aid effort. God knows he can afford it from making millions from his movies.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: Redstorm]
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He probably hasn't done shit. Just looking for the chance to bash bush and possibly make a couple more bucks. He's and oppurtunist.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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WHile Moore has made money on his films, he had no idea, anyunore than those who turned down the distribution of Mel Gibsons movie that the movie would make so much money.
Moores 9/11 made much money because half of America destests george bush.
And yes, a few right wingers made counter production films in ordetr to dismiss Michael Moore's movies and they made no money.
It goes to show we are int he stages of a civil, civil war of 50% of America likes bBush and Fifty percent hates the fucker.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: mjshroomer]
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Theres a 50-50 divide because there is only two major parties dude. No one is going to start any civil war. Especially lefties all they know how to do is cry.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
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Bush hasn't had an assualt on Americans on his watch yet.
What about the American medical pot patients that he murders every year? What about the people of New Orleans who couldn't suvive the 5 FUCKING DAYS of waiting for help?
I say he murders plenty of Americans, and he has blood on his hands
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: Smallworlds]
#4619327 - 09/04/05 02:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Bush has about 2000 dead US soldiers' blood on his hands.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: 1stimer]
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yes, add that too, what was I thinking?
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4619562 - 09/04/05 05:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Theres a 50-50 divide because there is only two major parties dude. No one is going to start any civil war. Especially lefties all they know how to do is cry.
northern soldiers backed by liberal ideals won the first civil war ....we'd win again  dont forget, while we may have a bunch of really pussy granola eaters on our side .....we've also got black people and i would venture a guess they have a some pent up aggression they wouldnt mind taking out on fat southern hicks  oh yeah and the rest of the world would be on our side, especially hugo chavez! 
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: Smallworlds]
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Bush hasn't had an assualt on Americans on his watch yet.
What about the American medical pot patients that he murders every year? What about the people of New Orleans who couldn't suvive the 5 FUCKING DAYS of waiting for help?
I say he murders plenty of Americans, and he has blood on his hands
Bush does not have control over the legality of drugs, and he shouldn't. That sort of thing is up to Congress (and unfortunately, the Supreme Court).
Also, the President does not have jurisdiction over FEMA.
Blaming Bush for this and the drug war is absurd. If you really want to get down to it, Clinton did more to hinder the progression of legalization than Bush did.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: afoaf]
#4619640 - 09/04/05 05:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good call on the Waco events. Since I'm sure that the result of the Fed's propaganda will be displayed here with questions about Koreshs ALLEGED and UNPROVEN "child molestation", and of course, their "meth lab", I'll just head those off with the question..
Why would the ATF be involved in a child molestaion case? Or with a meth lab?
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: KingOftheThing]
#4619650 - 09/04/05 05:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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northern soldiers backed by liberal ideals won the first civil war ....we'd win again dont forget, while we may have a bunch of really pussy granola eaters on our side .....we've also got black people and i would venture a guess they have a some pent up aggression they wouldnt mind taking out on fat southern hicks oh yeah and the rest of the world would be on our side, especially hugo chavez!
A bunch of baboon faced black men with their street-weapons would be turned into Afro-turf if facing armed rednecks who spend their lives hunting and shooting targets. I don't see the Bloods and the Crips doing live fire exercizes three times a week.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: MagicalMystery]
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I'd put my money on the blacks myself. There are much more of them and the most important part....they stick together.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: Sycronica]
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If these blacks are so good at uprisings and fighting whitey, why did whites have to go to war to free them from slavery? The only thing that would be bad for the white people in a 'race war' is that no blacks would fight on the whites side, but tons of morons like KOTT would be out helpin his soul bruvvas shoot people. Of course, 1500 black guys shooting they glocks sideways like fiddy be doz'in versus 20 white guys who have hunted their entire lives would be a huge black-death-fest.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: MagicalMystery]
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all this talk about being a patriot or not (only read the first 2 pages, sorry if the talk of someone being a patriot dissolved), but you seem to forget that out country was founded by people who were considered to be "unpatriotic" or what have you. Maybe they weren't classified as such, but they criticized the government, and people hated them for doing it.
I think its our duty to challenge and criticize the government in everything it does. If its doing good, challenge it to see if it is really doing good. If its doing something you dont like... CHALLENGE it! dont just sit there.
If we just sit back and let them (the government, President mainly) do what ever they want, and then support them about it, then there is no telling what will happen
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: MagicalMystery]
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"baboon faced black men", wow im amazed that such racism is allowed on this board. Actually its pretty common now that i think about it. Its funny, you can attack a race but not a person on this board.
i guess penis envy does weird things to people.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: J4S0N]
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Oh you big complainer! I bet you aren't even black..
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: afoaf]
#4620173 - 09/04/05 08:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm pretty sure that blind adherence to the word of the president
is the LAST thing that would ever be called patriotism in america.
This is certainly correct. This is not what is really the issue. What is the issue is that a bunch of left wing loonies has developed a compulsion to slander, often in the most dishonest, transparent fashion possible. When every fucking utterance is "Bush sucks" and he is blamed for everything from hurricanes (RFK Jr's rant that not signing the Kyoto accord was responsible, forgetting that it was defeated in Congress overwhelmingly and would have had no effect regardless) to deliberately dragging his feet on the rescue because there just a bunch o' nigras (various black fools and left wing enablers). It is a sad symptom of the left that they have gone completely overboard in their apoplexy and have thus pretty much completely outstepped the bounds of honest criticism into ludicrous, self-marginalizing mongering of various kinds.
I myself didn't beat Slick Willy up too badly until the consequences of his just basicly "occupying" the office for 8 years came to light. I did, however, always despise that cunt wife of his. Perhaps that's why I didn't mind the hummers too much, just the lieing about them under oath.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: zappaisgod]
#4620216 - 09/04/05 08:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't forget about how classy RFK Jr. is:
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"Perhaps it was Barbour's memo [to President Bush concerning CO2 emissions] that caused Katrina, at the last moment, to spare New Orleans and save its worst flailings for the Mississippi coast."
What a scumbag.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: chaospilot]
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all this talk about being a patriot or not (only read the first 2 pages, sorry if the talk of someone being a patriot dissolved), but you seem to forget that out country was founded by people who were considered to be "unpatriotic" or what have you. Maybe they weren't classified as such, but they criticized the government, and people hated them for doing it.
If you are a patriot, you support individual freedoms and rights. If the people today really were tired of having our Constitutional rights trampled, I don't think that they could say which party does the worst job of it. I don't think that just because someone says "I hate the government", that they are in the same boat as the men who threw off the tyranny of England and made America free.
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I think its our duty to challenge and criticize the government in everything it does. If its doing good, challenge it to see if it is really doing good. If its doing something you dont like... CHALLENGE it! dont just sit there.
If it does good, challenge it? Thats the problem, people keep trying to make the government do 'more', and it just gets bogged down with it.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: MagicalMystery]
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I feel sorry for you because of all the racial hatred you have in your heart. That's not what the beatles stood for.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: question_for_joo]
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I don't hate black people, I dislike criminals. I also hate how liberals try to cover up the truth.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: MagicalMystery]
#4620565 - 09/04/05 10:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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dude you made a post "I want to lynch kanye west"
that is extremely racist and offensive no matter how you want to spin it.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: question_for_joo]
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Why? If I wanted to lynch George Bush, would I be anti-white?
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: MagicalMystery]
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I mean it is hard to look at him on tv talk, knowing that each and every word he says means nothing. It is hard to justify the war of Vietnam style monetary usage. It is hard to justify some guy who will not help the environment with air standards like the rest of the world did. Finally it seems wrong that the guy doesn't even seem real at all, most likely having some drugs specifically engineered so he can not feel any remorse for anything he has done. But what are you going todo about it really? John D Rockefeller said that the best manager was one who could kill thousands of people with any remorse; Bush really does fit the profile.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: Fluxburn]
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If you knew anything about the Kyoto Protocol, you'd have a good idea about why we didn't sign it.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: Redstorm]
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Oh yah and the alaskan oil pipeline was good for the environment also man.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: Fluxburn]
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Way to dodge the issue. Do you know anything about the Kyoto Protocol?
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: Redstorm]
#4620904 - 09/04/05 11:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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explain or quote information
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: Fluxburn]
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The Kyoto Protocol was poorly put together b/c is made cutting made emissions for developing countries (China, India) a voluntary decision. Of course they're not going to voluntarily reduce pollution. That is just silly.
If they would have put together an agreement in which everyone has to cut emission as a mandatory part of the contract, I would have supported it. You can't just make some countries reduce and not others.
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But the USA pollutes 3 times more then any country or something crazy. After china and india developed they would have to cut emissions as well. Even so, the US even with all the pollution controls still blows more crap into the sky, ground, water then most places. At least it has gotten slightly better in the US. Besides, if the country wants to destroy its environment that is there choice. One country doesn't really after the whole of the world that much, except if we are talking about the US.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: Fluxburn]
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Micheal Moore doesn't realize that the President doesn't have sole responsibility over everything that happens anywhere. I don't think it's really fair to blame the President for such a large scale state/local/federal disaster.
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Re: Michael Moore's Letter to george Bush about Katrina [Re: mjshroomer]
#4621775 - 09/05/05 07:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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