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Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition
    #4614052 - 09/02/05 10:47 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

A while ago I e-mailed "Ask Dr Shulgin" about the indolic 4-hydroxylation of n,n,-DMT by mycelia to form 4-HO-DMT. He replied to me yesterday and here is what he said, just one excerpt.
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As to your interests in the mushrooms that love putting hydroxyl
groups onto the four-position of indoles, are you aware of the
research of the East German mycologist Jochim Gartz? He discovered
that if he put synthetic (and legal) dialkyl trypamines into the
mycelial broth of one of the Psilocybe mushrooms, it would be
4-hydroxylated and transported to the adult fruiting body. The
products proved to be psychoactive and are not man made, and yet not
really natural. Things like 4-hydroxy-N,N-diisoproipyltryptamine.
Made by a mushroom, not a chemist! Check his publications in the
scientific literature. A good man.





I replied asking him about saturation levels of tryptamines in substrates and i'm anxiously awaiting his return. He was in the hospital recently so I think any good healthy vibes we can send his way would be helpful.

In another e-mail from him he states that adding n,n,-DMT should produce the psilocin in the fruitbody. I think that I'm going to order a kilo or five of MHRB and get to work.


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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4614827 - 09/03/05 01:24 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

He's scheduled to speak at the medicinal mushroom conference next month in Washington State. I'll be there. Anyone else going?
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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #4615436 - 09/03/05 05:52 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Nah, I might try to go out and meet with him 1:1 and get some chemistry nerd talk going :smile:


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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4619009 - 09/04/05 12:08 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

a picture from mj's site...



John W. Allen, Sasha Shulgin and Jochen Gartz, Chapman University, 1994


So you can see the people that are being mentioned in this thread.

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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: Roadkill]
    #4619457 - 09/04/05 02:58 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Damn.  There was a time when I thought hippies were going to stay young forever.  Guess not.  That's even an eleven year old picture..lol  :tongue:
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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #4620191 - 09/04/05 08:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

damn... kinda sucks that all these old people that are famous are close to death or died. U hear about the supreme court main justice reinquist just died!


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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: Fluxburn]
    #4621111 - 09/05/05 12:50 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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synthetic (and legal) dialkyl trypamines




while adding MHRB might be just as easy, where would one find this legal tryptamine?


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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: yousuck]
    #4621167 - 09/05/05 01:11 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Thats a good idea, and I have no clue! :smile:


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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4624880 - 09/06/05 10:53 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

could the adding of n,n DMT potentially cause a dangerous shift in the pH of the substrate?

what do you guys think would be the best way to administer extra tryptamines into the mycelium? dissolve into water and moisten soil? use the crystal form and disperse throughout the soil by mixing?


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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: TheHook]
    #4625086 - 09/06/05 12:18 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Seaweed is extremely high in natural tryptamines. I've noticed nothing but good from collecting seaweed on the beach and adding it to my compost recipie. Try it.
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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #4633748 - 09/08/05 02:12 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

when you say seaweed, your referring to the stuff on the beach, or some special store-bought stuff? how is the store bought kelp related to the seaweed your referring to?


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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: 001]
    #4665007 - 09/15/05 02:44 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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001 said:
when you say seaweed, your referring to the stuff on the beach, or some special store-bought stuff? how is the store bought kelp related to the seaweed your referring to?




does anyone know the answer to 001's post? id like to know this too.


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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: Puppet1]
    #4668707 - 09/16/05 07:12 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I dout that RR is talking about Kelp
The fertilizer seaweed, ascophyllum nodosum, is a wounderfull addition to a compost pile, when using mushrooms to recycle the compost waste.
Kelp contains Iodine 127 which prevents the body from absorbing the radioactive Iodine 131. In the wake of a nuclear disater, youll be glad youve eaten your Kelpcakes!


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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: noxy]
    #4669320 - 09/16/05 01:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

and this can be aquired in a grocery store?


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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: Puppet1]
    #4673126 - 09/17/05 07:26 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sure the kelp you'd buy in a store would have all the same properties. Ditto for the dried seaweed you can get in asian food stores to wrap sushi with, although quite spendy. You can get a pickup load on the beach in an hour or two, provided one lives close to a coastline.
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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #4673413 - 09/17/05 11:04 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I think the stuff they wrap sushi with isn't seaweed. It's algae that's been pressed into sheets. I heard this on "good eats!"


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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: nycomyco]
    #4674568 - 09/17/05 05:59 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm pretty sure it's seaweed.


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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4674595 - 09/17/05 06:11 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

dumb Q, can someone clarify the difference between kelp and seaweed? whats the stuff thats washed up all over the beaches in long strands?


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Re: Shulgin on tryptamine addition / DMT addition [Re: Puppet1]
    #4675634 - 09/18/05 12:01 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I believe kelp and seaweed are synonomous. The long brown and green shit that washes up on beaches makes excellent additive to any substrate once you rinse it well and dry it. Chop it up like straw and add it to your compost or manure/straw recipie. Keep it to ten percent or less of the total.
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