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Phalaris arundinacea ... canary reed grass question
    #4613506 - 09/02/05 08:01 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

i decided to pick some Phalaris arundinacea (reed canary grass) from a nearby creek and i picked some that was already dead and dryed out (a trash bag stuffed full)about 5 pounds. i have very little money as it is and i dont want to waste money for chems to use on plants that may not contain alkaloids. any way my question is: Will the grass still contain alkaloids even though it has dyed and dryed out ? do the alkaloids evaporate?


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea ... canary reed grass question [Re: guitarguymb]
    #4616050 - 09/03/05 01:08 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Naptha and muratic acid quite cheap, but I have yet to read a believable trip report.  This stuff is everywhere, why don't more people...?

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"DeKorne says he discovered that you could make a smokable extract by accident, after leaving an extract intended for ayahuesque use out where the alcohol evaporated, leaving "a gummy tar" which he "on a sudden whim" decided to smoke. "I took one inhalation of this essence and found my mind immediately blasted into a cerebral hurricane of rapidly pulsing white light. Fortunately, I already knew what a DMT flash is like, so I was not totally taken by surprise."

His idea of extraction is this:
Pulverize the grass clippings
Add water, "enough... to make a pourable soup"
Acidify to pH 5 or so
(Optional) Simmer the acidified soup in a slow cooker overnight, not allowing the liquid to evaporate. ("It may take two or three such operations to get all of the alkaloids into solution")
Strain the plant matter through cheesecloth, then through a paper coffee filter
Add 10-15% of the mass of the solution in a "defatting solvent" such as methylene chloride, ether, chloroform, or naptha. [Be extremely careful about the use of naptha]
Shake vigorously
The crap will go into the solvent, leaving the good stuff in the water.
Separate the water from the solvent.
Add a base to the aqueous solution in small increments until the pH gets to about 9 or 10. This converts the alkaloids into their free base.
Extract with 10% of the mass of the solution of an organic solvent four times, at one 24-hour and then three weekly intervals. The solvent layer will take on a darker tint, usually yellowish or reddish-brown. It will take almost a month to extract all of the alkaloids, and the solution should be shaken at least twice a day between extractions.
Evaporate the solvent off from the combined extract fractions. You now have the alkaloids.
He was smoking 50mg of this goo at a shot." 

phalaris

I really don't think smoking 'goo is something one should do often either.


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea ... canary reed grass question [Re: namaste]
    #4617283 - 09/03/05 09:33 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

ive not used that exact extraction method, but pharis grass does contain DMT in a relative proportion. and DMT when smoked is like an intense acid trip for about 10-15 minuits with a few minuites of after effects.


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea ... canary reed grass question [Re: guitarguymb]
    #4619591 - 09/04/05 05:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

thanx. this is gonna be my first extraction soo im pretty psyched.


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea ... canary reed grass question [Re: guitarguymb]
    #4622370 - 09/05/05 02:24 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Make sure you know for a fact that this is the right grass....I wouldnt be smoking anything that came from an unidentified plant....sounds like it could be dangerous.


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    #4623327 - 09/05/05 07:12 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Phalaris arundinacea ... canary reed grass question [Re: pod3]
    #4628822 - 09/07/05 06:28 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

i have some phalaris aquarica going, what is a good time to harvest?
and how long does it take to flower?


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea ... canary reed grass question [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4629564 - 09/07/05 01:27 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmmm i was reading that the best time to harvest it is when temperatures drop low...Search the internet for the article ,i think there is a very nice study on what makes phalaris more potent,done by an institute trying to combat its bad effects on animals


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    #4683153 - 09/19/05 08:03 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Phalaris arundinacea ... canary reed grass question [Re: pod3]
    #4684909 - 09/20/05 02:10 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

kewl thxz :smile:


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea ... canary reed grass question [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4708749 - 09/25/05 08:44 AM (11 years, 2 months ago)

yes, if you care erowid also has some realy good info extracting DMT from any plant scource to a moderatly pure form and you can also locate a certin guid that shows how to extract it to a pure crystaline format(absolutly wonderfull). just some other ideas.


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea ... canary reed grass question [Re: ssjwizard]
    #5404423 - 03/15/06 06:36 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

You should be aware that the material you are about to ingest causes "gross lesions" of brain tissue and movement disorders in sheep. This might be caused by alkaloids that will remain in the extract you make, and there is no reason to believe that humans react differently than sheep... so...

Phalaris would be very interesting (especially via the cold-shock and wheat grass juicer - method described elsewhere), but the risks of adverse health effects are not worth it. Maybe sometime someone designs or breeds a strain of phalaris that has a really high concentration of the desirable ingrediants, or at least a guaranteed absence of the undesirable ingrediants. That day will be the final victory for the entheogenic community. But until then, it's better to stay away.


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Re: Phalaris arundinacea ... canary reed grass question [Re: heidegger]
    #5404595 - 03/15/06 07:08 PM (10 years, 8 months ago)

If we ingested as much grass as a sheep can in half a day we'd die too!! No reported case's of human casulties.
Still care is required, DMT is a powerful drug!


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