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Bush: "response is not acceptable"
    #4612299 - 09/02/05 02:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/09/02/bush.katrina.ap/index.html

MOBILE, Alabama (AP) -- Facing sharp criticism, President Bush opened a tour of the hurricane-battered Gulf Coast on Friday by vowing the government will restore order in lawless New Orleans and saying the $10.5 billion being approved by Congress is just a small down payment for disaster relief.

"I'm not looking forward to this trip," Bush said as he set out for a firsthand look at the destruction in Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi.

"It's as if the entire Gulf Coast were obliterated by the worst kind of weapon you can imagine," the president said. (See video of Bush's comments in Mobile, Alabama -- 5:06)

Bush opened the day at the White House where he expressed unhappiness with the efforts so far to provide food and water to hurricane victims and to stop looting and lawlessness in New Orleans. "The results are not acceptable," said Bush, who rarely admits failure. (See video of Bush's White House comments -- 2:32 | Transcript)

The president's comments came after New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin lashed out at federal officials, telling a local radio station "they don't have a clue what's going on down here."

Even Republicans were criticizing Bush and his administration for the sluggish relief effort. "I think it puts into question all of the Homeland Security and Northern Command planning for the last four years, because if we can't respond faster than this to an event we saw coming across the Gulf for days, then why do we think we're prepared to respond to a nuclear or biological attack?" said former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

He urged Bush to name former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani as the White House point person for relief efforts. "We need to get the job done now, and I don't think anybody is better prepared to do that psychologically and otherwise than Rudy Giuliani," Gingrich told The Associated Press.

In Biloxi, Missississippi, Bush encountered two weeping women on a street where a house had collapsed and towering trees were stripped of their branches. "My son needs clothes," said Bronwynne Bassier, 23, clutching several trash bags. "I don't have anything."

"I understand that," Bush said. He kissed both women on their heads and walked with his arms around them, telling them they could get help from the Salvation Army. "Hang in there," he said.

Bush got a warm reception in Mobile from Govs. Haley Barbour of Mississippi and Bob Riley of Alabama. Both praised the federal government's response. Still, Barbour said, "We've suffered a grievous blow that we won't recover from for a long while."

Standing with the governors in an airplane hangar, Bush said, "We have a responsibility to clean up this mess."

"What is not working right, we're going to make it right," Bush said. Referring to rampant looting and crime in New Orleans, Bush said, "We are going to restore order in the city of New Orleans."

"We'll get on top of this situation," Bush said, "and we're going to help the people that need help."

Bush was accompanied by Homeland Security Department secretary Michael Chertoff. The department, which oversees the Federal Emergency Management Agency, has been accused of responding sluggishly to the deadly hurricane. On the plane ride to Alabama, Bush was briefed on plans for housing the tens of thousands of people displaced by the hurricane.

"There's a lot of aid surging toward those who've been affected. Millions of gallons of water. Millions of tons of food. We're making progress about pulling people out of the Superdome," the president said.

For the first time, however, he stopped defending his administration's response and criticized it. "A lot of people are working hard to help those who've been affected. The results are not acceptable," he said. "I'm heading down there right now."

Bush hoped that his tour of the hurricane-ravaged states would boost the spirits of increasingly desperate storm victims and their tired rescuers, and his visit was aimed at tamping down the ever-angrier criticism that he has engineered a too-little, too-late response.

Four days after Katrina made landfall in southeastern Louisiana, Bush was to get a second, closer look at the devastation wrought by the storm's 145 mph winds and 25-foot storm surge in an area stretching from just west of New Orleans to Pensacola, Florida. In all, there are 90,000 square miles under federal disaster declaration.

Friday's trip follows a 35-minute flyover of the region he took Wednesday aboard Air Force One as he headed back to Washington from his Texas ranch.

While the president was working his way along the coast, his wife, Laura, was scheduled to be nearby in Lafayette, La. Mrs. Bush was to visit the Cajundome arena to console people who took shelter there.

Amid the lowest approval ratings of his presidency, Bush has other problems besides the hurricane: Gasoline prices have soared past $3 a gallon in some places, and support is ebbing for the war in Iraq.

So Bush has tried to respond to Katrina in a way that evokes the national goodwill he cultivated after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks -- and that does not recall the criticism his father, former President Bush, endured after Hurricane Andrew slammed Florida in 1992.

But he began facing questions about his leadership in the crisis almost immediately. New Orleans officials, in particular, were enraged about what they said was a slow federal response.



even bush admits it.


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Re: Bush: "response is not acceptable" [Re: Vex]
    #4612315 - 09/02/05 02:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

While I agree that the evac and aid efforts are fucked beyond belief, to blame it on Bush is silly as hell.

The localities and states had ample time to load everyone up on school buses and shit them out. But they didn't. The preparation by the localities, states, and FEMA is a travesty, but it can't be blamed on Bush.

(I know you didn't pin the blame on him, but I know someone else will. A pre-emptive strike if you will :wink:)


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Re: Bush: "response is not acceptable" [Re: Redstorm]
    #4612327 - 09/02/05 02:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Not entirely, of course not. Bush, the mayor of New Orleans, the governor of Lousiana, the governor of Mississippi, the governor of Alabama, FEMA, all should have had a preparation plan. Four fucking days later is when things are put into motion.

Again, this is something these idiots have to learn from. Be it the next natural disaster or attack.


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Re: Bush: "response is not acceptable" [Re: bukkake]
    #4612333 - 09/02/05 02:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I can't wait till they rebuild the city in the same spot and are suprised when it is destroyed again.


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Re: Bush: "response is not acceptable" [Re: Redstorm]
    #4612339 - 09/02/05 02:25 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'd hope they at least rebuild the levees and make them stronger this time before they dare rebuild the city.


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Re: Bush: "response is not acceptable" [Re: Redstorm]
    #4612345 - 09/02/05 02:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

the fact that buses weren't used to evacuate the poor is nothing short of a colossal failure by local and state government. Especially since everyone was expecting new orleans to be under 20 feet of water by the end of it all. Also, how can you send 25,000 people to the super dome and not have enough food and water for them? it's mind boggling.

The only thing i think Bush didn't do was show real leadership leading up to the storm. He didn't even make a statement until wednesday i believe. If he had done a emergency broadcast speech and rallied everyone to flee new orleans, then that would have been some real leadership. Of course if you convince everyone to leave new olreans and then the storm goes off track and new orleans is fine, you're going to like like an ass in front of the whole country. Presidenting is so hard!


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Re: Bush: "response is not acceptable" [Re: Vex]
    #4612372 - 09/02/05 02:34 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Vex said:
the fact that buses weren't used to evacuate the poor is nothing short of a colossal failure by local and state government. Especially since everyone was expecting new orleans to be under 20 feet of water by the end of it all. Also, how can you send 25,000 people to the super dome and not have enough food and water for them? it's mind boggling.

The only thing i think Bush didn't do was show real leadership leading up to the storm. He didn't even make a statement until wednesday i believe. If he had done a emergency broadcast speech and rallied everyone to flee new orleans, then that would have been some real leadership. Of course if you convince everyone to leave new olreans and then the storm goes off track and new orleans is fine, you're going to like like an ass in front of the whole country. Presidenting is so hard!




I agree with everything you just said 100%.


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Re: Bush: "response is not acceptable" [Re: Redstorm]
    #4612383 - 09/02/05 02:39 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I believe Bush declared the area a disaster area before the storm even hit. Not sure but I heard that so I will look more.


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Re: Bush: "response is not acceptable" [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4612389 - 09/02/05 02:41 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

He did. You can still look for proof if you want but anyone watching the news before the storm heard him declare the area a state of emergency BEFORE the storm.


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Re: Bush: "response is not acceptable" [Re: Vex]
    #4612391 - 09/02/05 02:42 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

hmm... i found this interersting article that is pretty relevent to this topic. It definitely from a liberal web site, and was written by a former Clinton advisor, so it's obviously biased. But I think it brings up some interesting facts...



"No One Can Say they Didn't See it Coming"

By Sidney Blumenthal

In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.



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An aerial view of the New Orleans airport underwater.
Biblical in its uncontrolled rage and scope, Hurricane Katrina has left millions of Americans to scavenge for food and shelter and hundreds to thousands reportedly dead. With its main levee broken, the evacuated city of New Orleans has become part of the Gulf of Mexico. But the damage wrought by the hurricane may not entirely be the result of an act of nature.

A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken. After a flood killed six people in 1995, Congress created the Southeast Louisiana Urban Flood Control Project, in which the Corps of Engineers strengthened and renovated levees and pumping stations. In early 2001, the Federal Emergency Management Agency issued a report stating that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S., including a terrorist attack on New York City. But by 2003 the federal funding for the flood control project essentially dried up as it was drained into the Iraq war. In 2004, the Bush administration cut funding requested by the New Orleans district of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for holding back the waters of Lake Pontchartrain by more than 80 percent. Additional cuts at the beginning of this year (for a total reduction in funding of 44.2 percent since 2001) forced the New Orleans district of the Corps to impose a hiring freeze. The Senate had debated adding funds for fixing New Orleans' levees, but it was too late.

The New Orleans Times-Picayune, which before the hurricane published a series on the federal funding problem, and whose presses are now underwater, reported online: "No one can say they didn't see it coming ... Now in the wake of one of the worst storms ever, serious questions are being asked about the lack of preparation."

The Bush administration's policy of turning over wetlands to developers almost certainly also contributed to the heightened level of the storm surge. In 1990, a federal task force began restoring lost wetlands surrounding New Orleans. Every two miles of wetland between the Crescent City and the Gulf reduces a surge by half a foot. Bush had promised "no net loss" of wetlands, a policy launched by his father's administration and bolstered by President Clinton. But he reversed his approach in 2003, unleashing the developers. The Army Corps of Engineers and the Environmental Protection Agency then announced they could no longer protect wetlands unless they were somehow related to interstate commerce.

In response to this potential crisis, four leading environmental groups conducted a joint expert study, concluding in 2004 that without wetlands protection New Orleans could be devastated by an ordinary, much less a Category 4 or 5, hurricane. "There's no way to describe how mindless a policy that is when it comes to wetlands protection," said one of the report's authors. The chairman of the White House's Council on Environmental Quality dismissed the study as "highly questionable," and boasted, "Everybody loves what we're doing."


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"My administration's climate change policy will be science based," President Bush declared in June 2001. But in 2002, when the Environmental Protection Agency submitted a study on global warming to the United Nations reflecting its expert research, Bush derided it as "a report put out by a bureaucracy," and excised the climate change assessment from the agency's annual report. The next year, when the EPA issued its first comprehensive "Report on the Environment," stating, "Climate change has global consequences for human health and the environment," the White House simply demanded removal of the line and all similar conclusions. At the G-8 meeting in Scotland this year, Bush successfully stymied any common action on global warming. Scientists, meanwhile, have continued to accumulate impressive data on the rising temperature of the oceans, which has produced more severe hurricanes.

In February 2004, 60 of the nation's leading scientists, including 20 Nobel laureates, warned in a statement, "Restoring Scientific Integrity in Policymaking": "Successful application of science has played a large part in the policies that have made the United States of America the world's most powerful nation and its citizens increasingly prosperous and healthy ... Indeed, this principle has long been adhered to by presidents and administrations of both parties in forming and implementing policies. The administration of George W. Bush has, however, disregarded this principle ... The distortion of scientific knowledge for partisan political ends must cease." Bush completely ignored this statement.

In the two weeks preceding the storm in the Gulf, the trumping of science by ideology and expertise by special interests accelerated. The Federal Drug Administration announced that it was postponing sale of the morning-after contraceptive pill, despite overwhelming scientific evidence of its safety and its approval by the FDA's scientific advisory board. The United Nations special envoy for HIV/AIDS in Africa accused the Bush administration of responsibility for a condom shortage in Uganda -- the result of the administration's evangelical Christian agenda of "abstinence." When the chief of the Bureau of Justice Statistics in the Justice Department was ordered by the White House to delete its study that African-Americans and other minorities are subject to racial profiling in police traffic stops and he refused to buckle under, he was forced out of his job. When the Army Corps of Engineers' chief contracting oversight analyst objected to a $7 billion no-bid contract awarded for work in Iraq to Halliburton (the firm at which Vice President Cheney was formerly CEO), she was demoted despite her superior professional ratings. At the National Park Service, a former Cheney aide, a political appointee lacking professional background, drew up a plan to overturn past environmental practices and prohibit any mention of evolution while allowing sale of religious materials through the Park Service.

On the day the levees burst in New Orleans, Bush delivered a speech in Colorado comparing the Iraq war to World War II and himself to Franklin D. Roosevelt: "And he knew that the best way to bring peace and stability to the region was by bringing freedom to Japan." Bush had boarded his very own "Streetcar Named Desire."

Sidney Blumenthal, a former assistant and senior advisor to President Clinton and the author of "The Clinton Wars," is writing a column for Salon and the Guardian of London.

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Re: Bush: "response is not acceptable" [Re: dr0mni]
    #4612440 - 09/02/05 02:56 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

And we come back to the question of who should have been paying for NO levees. I say NO. Sidney the cunt says me. We disagree.


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    #4612466 - 09/02/05 03:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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And we come back to the question of who should have been paying for NO levees.




:thumbup:

Aren't you looking forward to your taxes being used to rebuild that shithole?


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Re: Bush: "response is not acceptable" [Re: Redstorm]
    #4612484 - 09/02/05 03:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Only if it all goes to resurrecting "Preservation Hall". Not one nickel for the Stupordome, everything for the Quarter. Funny thing is, the French Quarter will probably float out. The rest of the city will be the issue. Which part is really just cheaper hotels you can stay in for Mardi Gras. Or was.


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Re: Bush: "response is not acceptable" [Re: Redstorm]
    #4612648 - 09/02/05 03:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Quote:

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And we come back to the question of who should have been paying for NO levees.




:thumbup:

Aren't you looking forward to your taxes being used to rebuild that shithole?




We'll see about that. Did you read the link Anna put up about the Illinois State Senator fighting against it?

I'm not confident rebuilding will happen once the costs are examined and the people who will have to go in there wearing toxic bio hazard suits to clean up assess the danger of re inhabiting that area.

They are talking a minimum of weeks to get the water out.

The shit that is breeding in there and that will continue too is unthinkable.

I don't want to dis-respect anyone who calls NO "home". I havn't been there myself. Everyone I know who has says that it was disgusting before the storm. Why put tens to hundreds of billions of dollars into rebuilding a city, not only below sea level next to the gulf and giant lake, but for people who didn't even take care of it in the first place, from the governor, down to the mayor down to the residents.

I will leave prideful residents exempt who did.


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