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#460927 - 11/16/01 09:59 PM (23 years, 24 days ago) |
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i read recently that this period of human evolution, where we manifest in advanced monkey bodies is a hairline notch on the yardstick of time.
its easy to see where we have been, but where are we going? are there many theories flying around about this, or should we come up with our own?
i feel we are being evolved for our capacity to amplify emotional energy, love in particular, but also to become creators of something.
trainee gods, perhaps?
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 Re: after the skinsuit? [Re: mr crisper]
#460940 - 11/16/01 10:13 PM (23 years, 24 days ago) |
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"i feel we are being evolved for our capacity to amplify emotional energy, love in particular"
YES! someone asked me recently what i liked best about humans - actually it was my girlfriend asking me which part of the body i liked best but i didn't realise that until long after i'd thought for a minute and came up with what you just said in that post. that the human potential for pure universal compassion and LOVE, and the ability to focus this love or radiate it in all directions (across space and time?) is surely the most amazing thing....that I think is one power that we humans have which other creatures do not SEEM to possess.
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Re: after the skinsuit? [Re: mr crisper]
#464260 - 11/20/01 06:26 AM (23 years, 21 days ago) |
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I think after our skin of flesh comes the skin of technology. We might eventually download ourselves into computers. Certainly not all of us, at least not to begin with, but I think it is inevitable if mankind is to explore space in a physical fashion.
I do not object to this idea as most people Iv'e spoken to do, for most people are not very educated on technology and/or the human nature (at least not the physiical/biological part of it). They think it would be cold and impersonal to "become a computer", but that is because they are not able to think past their idea of todays computers.
I believe everything is possible with technology. That is not to say I glorify technology as it has progressed until now. We have been using it irresponsible. There is much potential to develope technology that is compatible with our spiritual evolution.
As for doubts for how far technology can go I reccomend you to go and read some science fiction, then get a history book and try to find what piece of technology that was concieved of in SF has not come true today.
many people view look upon the the world of technology in a way not so remote from the way most people look upon the world of psychedelics. A force that corrupts the human soul, mind and body. But most of us know what great potential that lies within the *responsible* use of entheogens.
>Trainee gods, perhaps?
It might be that my notion is wrong, and that humankind will not evolve into primarily technological beings. If that does not happen I am sure we will create a new species. A new form of life. With AI, however primitive it is at this point, it would be possible to create "robots" that became aware of themselves and would be have to be classified as a new species. We will of course create them in a human form. We will create them in our image. So the circle is closed. We have passed our second test in being gods.
It all depends on the first test though, if we can take care of a micro-universe in a responsible way, the earth.
This was all written down as I came to think of it, so I apologize for any lack of clarity. I realize I would have to write half a book to articulate my ideas properly
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Re: after the skinsuit? [Re: mr crisper]
#464335 - 11/20/01 08:45 AM (23 years, 21 days ago) |
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Let's pray we evolve, just enough, to take care of everybody on the lands, air, and seas. Seven billion we are and growing.
Shall we continue in our current sluggish 'hairline on a yardstick' monkey manner, or shall we transform ourselves into "trainee gods" for ourselves and for our world?
What course of events are predicted through creating love?
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#466113 - 11/21/01 10:35 PM (23 years, 19 days ago) |
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`What course of events are predicted through creating love?`
- lots more babies!
its funny but when i think of humans evolving in a technological direction the phrase -descent into technology- comes to mind.
i sometimes ponder if the internet is a training tool to teach us the ins and outs of existing in a non-physical environment, existing as minds within a mind(!). fish in the sea. we learn how to keep some thoughts to ourselves, how to focus upon different sources of information, message boards are the physical/digital equivalent of points where like-minded souls gather...
dont think ive expressed myself very well, hope y`all get my drift.
what will all the hairdressers do if we dont have bodies?
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Re: after the skinsuit? [Re: mr crisper]
#466145 - 11/21/01 11:06 PM (23 years, 19 days ago) |
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ahaha! I guess use graphical scissors to cut pixels... hehehe
Yes, like here - it's a virtual community with REAL people. I have a friend, to be very judgemental on him for a moment in reflection, who likes to condescend me for spending so much time on what he calls "drug websites". Actually he's quite the hypocrite in real life (if you know what I mean). I find this rather common amongst everyday folks. They are, to use a corny analogy, "a chapter behind the class and aren't doing their homework".
Can you image what full-emersion 3D virtual reality is going to be like? Maybe that's where we'll live part of the day. Sorta, on a small scale, like you and I having a REAL conversation across miles and miles... ooo, "I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles" - the song. 
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Re: after the skinsuit? [Re: mr crisper]
#466660 - 11/22/01 02:03 PM (23 years, 19 days ago) |
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To live in a society of total compassion and understanding, where all beings are treated as a part of God, and we understand where we stand in the scheme of the Universe. We create our reality through thoughts, and live consciously through this.
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#467495 - 11/23/01 11:37 AM (23 years, 18 days ago) |
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Hey, my friends do the exact same thing.
Maybe the next step is inside the machine? Luminus beings of light running around in fiber-optic networks?
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#467806 - 11/23/01 08:30 PM (23 years, 17 days ago) |
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i once had a lesson from a spider about how we weave a web with our own thoughts and trap our minds within it, indeed we do create our own realities and if we dont know what we are doing we end up tangled in the yarn, trapped in absurd situations of our own making.
the spider demonstrated this to me by lifting these veils of interconnecting thoughts off my mind and then gently dropping them back down again. as each successive veil fell i felt myself becoming more and more blinded by the 10000things.
i wonder if there will be a split in human evolution, those that take the machine path and those that take the one into their own minds? which would you choose?
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Re: after the skinsuit? [Re: mr crisper]
#468582 - 11/24/01 06:09 PM (23 years, 16 days ago) |
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I got this lesson on a social scale. I was shown how whole cultures create boundaries, and the members of that particular culture have great difficulties in crossing those boundaries. It is next to impossible. Particularly so because they are not aware of the borders. And those who know of them are mostly too afraid of the repercussions of crossing them, too concerned about how the rest of society will react.
>wonder if there will be a split in human evolution, those that take the machine path and those that take the one into their own minds? which would you choose?
This is *exactly* what I have been thinking about lately. I just wonder when/how the bifurcation will be, as I intend on joining the non-technological path. I wonder though, seing that I am so embedded in this technological mumbo-jumbo as I am, if it is not too late already?
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Re: after the skinsuit? [Re: Timeleech]
#468666 - 11/24/01 08:21 PM (23 years, 16 days ago) |
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ive been pondering recently on how much more time i spend with machines than i do with people.
i ride a motorbike for 3-4 hours per day, pretty much every day. the days i dont ride i will be cleaning or maintaining it.
i love riding the bike, its adrenalin aggression and music in one addictive package and blasting tokyo`s expressways is the ultimate live vid-game experience, sounds like an ad, doesnt it?
at home i spend up to 8 hours a day on the pooter and my sampler/synthesizers. plus using pooters at work. getting way over 50% here.
something ive noticed on trips, comparing synthetics to organics. especially 2ct7, i had a feeling of a mind/aura/atmosphere behind the trip, a puppetmaster if you like, the mind behind 2ct7 was simply without love, it wasnt good or bad. it seemed to demand increasing density and complexity....a baby archetype, perhaps. a new creation hatched in the mindscape of humanity. what will it grow into?
as opposed to a solid dose of rue/shrooms, which usually kicks in with a vision of insect like beings inserting large tubes down my spine thru the back of my head, plugging into the mind of the hive.
this is a very fleeting grasp i have of this concept, it is kind of on the edge of language and awareness for me.
i think i want both
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 Re: after the skinsuit? [Re: mr crisper]
#468676 - 11/24/01 08:40 PM (23 years, 16 days ago) |
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Ah, could the 10000things be words? And what it means to reach deep meditative levels of silence? Or otherwise just *exist* in action (in a Zenny way)? Actually there's probably alot of enlightened people in the world - they simply don't make a big deal out of it, so if you where to meet one, you'd probably just get along with a hint of, "something's incredibly awsome about this person's ability to go with the flow..."
I've been working in technology for 20 years, drawing my fist paycheck as a computer programmer and taking a junior level FORTRAN class for university credit at the same time (aged 15). In all those years I can vouch technology is neutral, no matter how sophisticated.
I don't see anyway around technology itself, and even the most remote tribes and villages of the world will eventually integrate it into their cultures.
We use 1966 Star Trek communicators everyday like it was nothing. Just trying the get the best rate and avoid "dead zones" in some areas for cellphones.  We've been to the moon in person via Spaceships a few times and sent autonomous Robots to Mars.
What I'm getting at is technology is become more far-reaching in any sense of the meaning. The information for nearly anything is becoming accessible. We are approaching a level of technology where physical labor will be about 2% of EVERTHING done - and that will mostly be mantainence of the technology itself.
This actually allows attention for the Mind. Time to learn about it. Time to make it better. Time to fix ourselves. I'm rather optimistic creating love (agape, scoge, philia, eros, you name it) will predominate us eventually.
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Re: after the skinsuit? [Re: mr crisper]
#468752 - 11/24/01 10:37 PM (23 years, 16 days ago) |
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mr crisper: I have also thought about what archetypes/entities are spawned by the use of new psychedelics, and how they will grow as time passes and more people add their bit to it. Iv'e only thought about it in relation to LSD though, but of course it would be valid for the others too.
And I wonder how the ancient ones (like shrooms & salvia) are affected by us modern people. There's a new question to explore on my next trip...
Oh, can I ride with you on your bike if I should be in the neighbourhood sometime? It sounds like fun
1/0: I find technology to be neutral too. It is what we make of it, and therefore I don't think it would be an inferior evolutionary path to traverse. Technology permeats our society in such a way that a lot of it has become transparent. I guess our fusion with technology has become total when *all* technology is transparent.
Our enviroment will be technology, you will be technology, I will be technology, everything is technology. I suppose the two paths will both be trancending the human body, and even the physical plane alltogether. Technology, in my vision, will do it by diving further and further into matter. This is based on my limited knowledge of quantum physics, and I think if we turn ourselves into systems completely governed by the quantum-mechanical laws it might still be physical, but in a completely different way than we are used to.
As for the other path I guess it will be more spiritual. I envision a planet with people who have learned to control matter with their minds, und thusly are able to fully internalize the fact that matter and mind spirngs forth from the same source and thereby are able to trancend both.
On another note: It strikes me as quite amazing that we actually are discussing such matters. Quite a different conversation than talking about the weather or the latest celebrity-news....
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Re: after the skinsuit? [Re: oneoverzero]
#468756 - 11/24/01 10:40 PM (23 years, 16 days ago) |
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btw:
0011 0001 = 1
0010 1111 = /
0011 0000 = 0
am I right?
Here's my favourite: 0100 1100 0101 0011 0100 0100
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Re: the above post. To use the Star Trek analogy again. Did the TV show *cause* cellphones? Or, did they spontaneously invent themselves? Ok, that said... why then couldn't your vision of the future, or for that matter, anyone's vision *cause* it to happen - even in a very subtle remote way?
And YES! It's the American Standard Code for Information Interchange (ASCII) = 1/0... Hex code would be 31 2F 30.
Lets see here, erm... your favorite is: L S D... Hex: 4C 53 44...
0100 1100 0100 1111 0100 1100 0010 0001:D
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#469022 - 11/25/01 07:00 AM (23 years, 16 days ago) |
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Exactly my thoughts! It seems that a lot of the technology in the science fiction of yesterday (which is after all based, however loosely, on science) becomes the product of tomorrow.
This either means that all scientists are avid science fiction readers and get their ideas from that source, or perhaps the memes take hold in the minds of writers earlier than scientists. Or maybe not, after all it takes a long time to research something into a full product compared to writing a book with wild speculations in it.
I bet someone wrote about ASCII in some scifi book a long time before it was made an official standard :)
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hehe, I think it was Jules Verne... Actually he wrote about a "Force X" way befor Madam Curie discovered radiation. Her work led to "glow in the dark watch dials" - and unfortunately too many deaths from the dial painters who would lick their radioactive brushes. She died in a somewhat worse manner. But! Did she read Jules Verne? I think you may be onto something, re: memes. Alot of science fiction never materializes serving its orginal purpose for the enjoyment of reading fantastic futuristic stories, which generally are half/mirrored reflections of the times in which they are written.
Check out some of T. Leary's writings from the mid 1990's. It looks like his mega-doses of synthetics and organics had a profound impact on his accuracy in articulating predictions for the future.
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Re: after the skinsuit? [Re: oneoverzero]
#469202 - 11/25/01 12:40 PM (23 years, 16 days ago) |
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You might have noticed that you or someone you know get a great idea for a new drink/car/algorithm/computergame etc. and half a year later someone has cashed in heavily on that exact same idea. That's just another though on how memes/ideas float around. It seems to suggest that either we are all connected to some overmind, or our minds are affected by the underlying motion of a sea of ideas.
So I don't know if it is possible to control it, but it should be able to do some fine-tuning so you can detect the changes earlier than others, and thusly ride along before everybody else.
I have always though that psychecelics are a valid way to achieve this, and I think synchronicity plays a part in all of this. I found the book "Synchronicity : The Bridge Between Matter and Mind" to be interesting in this respect. F. David Peat proposes in it the possibility that matter and mind both spring forth from an underlying something.
As for the predictions of Leary I think that may have as much to do with the enhancment of pattern-detection that psychedelics seem to have. If you can see patterns in the grass, in the sand on the beach, the gravel in my driveway, and the clouds move in ordered layers it would only be logical to excpect this in the mental domain also. But the enhanced ability to discover patterns where there were none before might as well be an effect of the fact that the psychedelics tune you more in to the motion of the ocean underneath. Your guess is as good as mine, which is all I am doing.
One scifi story I would not like to see turn into reality is 1984 by George Orwell. I see it happening all around us though. I am trying to imagine what the Matrix turned into reality would be like. As another aspect of this issue seems to be that the while the scientists lay the groundwork for the SciFi the seem to somehow leap ahead of the litterary predictions and take the ideas one step or two further than the authors were able to.
Enough of this for me for tonight. I have deliver an assignment to deliver tomorrow, delphi-programming with pointers.
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#470570 - 11/26/01 09:47 PM (23 years, 14 days ago) |
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-`It seems to suggest that either we are all connected to some overmind, or our minds are affected by the underlying motion of a sea of ideas`-
both?
interesting you say - sea of ideas-, ive often read that all thought is like a sea or ocean and our minds are like bays or lagoons, where the water washes in and out with the tides.
makes me wonder if we ever really have any truly original ideas of our own.
re : the predictions of sci-fi, ive got some books originally published between 1896 and 1903, on `occult philosophy` and yoga by yogi ramacharaka. he describes nuclear fusion of stars and the sun and, despite a lack of terminology, describes radiation citing that he is only passing on ancient knowledge that was taught to him. good books if you can find them, lots of reprints around.
matrix...why bother with human bodies for heat, plug into a star or drill to the earth`s core, couldnt be any more difficult.
then again what is it that all living physical beings and especially humans produce in marketable quantities? - emotions ,or specifically, emotional energy. a much higher and refined form of energy than heat.
if anyone has experienced beings feeding off their emotions, they will understand our value within the universe.
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#470623 - 11/26/01 10:52 PM (23 years, 14 days ago) |
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>interesting you say - sea of ideas-, ive often read that all thought is like a sea or ocean and our minds are like bays or lagoons, where the water washes in and out with the tides.
"When we die we join the river of souls and pour into the ocean", or "Every man is an island", or the one about the mind being a glass of water, and psychedelics are a drop of ink that make visible the internal workings of the water.
Water is a great source for analogies.
>makes me wonder if we ever really have any truly original ideas of our own.
I don't know. I suppose we draw them from somewhere. It might be that we all function as a whole mind (the gaian mind), and that all ideas ultimately spring forth from our collective mind. Those who "come up" with the idea first are merely those who pick tehm up first. Think of humans as braincells. Not every cell knows what goes on in every other cell at one time.
Then there is the theories of memes: Ideas are entities on their own that mutate in our minds in order to survive longest. (as above so below I suppose, genes do the same thing, whic that theory is based on)
>why bother with human bodies for heat, plug into a star or drill to the earth`s core, couldnt be any more difficult.
then again what is it that all living physical beings and especially humans produce in marketable quantities? - emotions ,or specifically, emotional energy. a much higher and refined form of energy than heat.
if anyone has experienced beings feeding off their emotions, they will understand our value within the universe.
That's what I was thinking of when I spoke of the matrix. it seems that this particular SciFi "prediction" looks backwards rather than in the past. Or just as well the present.
Iv'e only read about this idea in Castaneda's books, and I believe that there are beings who feed of our emotions. They might even be herding us like crops!
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#470770 - 11/27/01 12:31 AM (23 years, 14 days ago) |
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heh heh, water is a great source of analogies, I just used one in another post maybe 20 minutes ago...
Heres the one I like: We are but a wave on the ocean. One day we will crash upon the shore. The wave seems to have dissapeared, but in fact it has just been returned to the sea...
This is of course all random, and you are directly influenced by the time and conditions of the day that your wave rises... (you can't be an astronaut if there's no space program yet, though in a later time you might have been the greatest astronaut of all time, in your time you die on the street as a bum. If there is no wind on the day your wave arises, it will be a meager one. If there is a hurricane, you may move a city.)
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Re: after the skinsuit? [Re: Ulysees]
#470869 - 11/27/01 03:33 AM (23 years, 14 days ago) |
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I would have had liked to have relpied to all the new posts, but I'll just "hitchhike" onto Uylsees' post for the time being.
I used to say in my masters program, "The future is like a big ocean wave... you can either swim against it, or, swim with it to the shore." Metaphorically, what's the point in resisting the 'uber-mind' and its current?
Here's a water metaphor I like: the river that flows in both directions at the same time. I came up with it one day by chance, but I'm sure the general idea can be applied to many things.
On the topic: if I read skinsuit to be a full-emersion 3d virtual reality force-feedback and input suit, what's after that? Well I do have some blueprints for a 3d graphics "vorxel" generator using intersecting coherent light. I came up with that in 5th grade. It would generate both light and heat "vorxels" - heat being used for a sense of feeling whatever's visually generated giving it a physical presence. Gotta get my hands on the right technology one of these days and run some experiments.
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#470877 - 11/27/01 03:56 AM (23 years, 14 days ago) |
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I saw a doo-hickey on the web the other day that turns in both directions at once... It was a revolving wheel thing and when you shift your perception a little bit it starts revolving the other way, though you realize that it isn't revolving at all... Don't remember where that was.
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Re: after the skinsuit? [Re: Ulysees]
#470881 - 11/27/01 04:14 AM (23 years, 14 days ago) |
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Hehe. Sounds like Gestalt psychology applied to web graphics. I  the Internet.
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