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Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade
    #4607986 - 09/01/05 11:58 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

All the money spent on homeland security and where is the disaster response. If Katrina was a dirty nuclear bomb this is what the response would be, slow and leaderless. There was obviously no plan for a disaster so what is all the money for homeland security being spent on?


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: 1stimer]
    #4608004 - 09/01/05 12:01 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

pensions?


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: 1stimer]
    #4608006 - 09/01/05 12:01 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Feeling up old white ladies at the airports.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: 1stimer]
    #4608012 - 09/01/05 12:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

as VEX said in another thread

this is the biggest national disaster we've had to deal with

we are all learning

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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: 1stimer]
    #4608018 - 09/01/05 12:05 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

My husband and I have been discussing that all day. No one it seems is taking charge and control and it's getting worse. We have so many resources a half days drive away. I fail to see how so many are still without food and water and stuck in there. We should've had convoys coming in from every state 2 days ago to haul in supplies and haul people out.

It sure does look like there was no plan in place. It's terribly unorganized and growing more out of control by the day.

Whats the difference between this storms devastation or an attack on us is right. The response should've been the same and if this was a war attack, we sucked hard at response. That is not to negate what has been done. I'm just dumbfounded with the government right now. I thought they had peoples asses covered better then this.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4608065 - 09/01/05 12:19 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

It seems to me that Bush needs to be more of a leader.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4608092 - 09/01/05 12:26 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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gettinjiggywithit said:
My husband and I have been discussing that all day. No one it seems is taking charge and control and it's getting worse. We have so many resources a half days drive away. I fail to see how so many are still without food and water and stuck in there. We should've had convoys coming in from every state 2 days ago to haul in supplies and haul people out.

It sure does look like there was no plan in place. It's terribly unorganized and growing more out of control by the day.

Whats the difference between this storms devastation or an attack on us is right. The response should've been the same and if this was a war attack, we sucked hard at response. That is not to negate what has been done. I'm just dumbfounded with the government right now. I thought they had peoples asses covered better then this.




so the fact that everything is underwater, including the ROADS, has nothing
to do with the logistical issues the rescue operations are facing?

I love all these armchair quarterbacks acting like they know how to run
a situation of this magnitude.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: afoaf]
    #4608113 - 09/01/05 12:30 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Helicopters? Boats?

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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: bukkake]
    #4608127 - 09/01/05 12:33 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

and how many helicopters and boats are just lying around handy
to evacuate 10's of thousands of people?!

especially when you consider a HURRICANE JUST PASSED THROUGH
that part of town.

man, use your head.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: afoaf]
    #4608160 - 09/01/05 12:40 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Are you implying the United States doesn't have an enormous amount of helicopters to evacuate people or transport supplies? People are stranded at the Superdome, most without food or water. Very poor preparation on the part of the government for after Katrina swept through. What did they think was going to happen?

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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: afoaf]
    #4608196 - 09/01/05 12:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

It's not a FACT that there is no way in or out of many of those areas. Reporters are getting in and out. There are mass exodus's of people who gave up waiting for busses and are walking out along the highways.

The fact is, you can get in and out of the city. Not as easily as before as bridges are out or under water but there is access and trucks can be convoying in and out.

Watch current footage. They aren't. This is dumb. We had 3 days to preplan and it's the 5th day since the storm. People are dying of dehydration walking out on roads the whole of the U.S. has access to.

I would drive there now from Tampa with water if I didn't have to be concerned about getting carjacked and shot at and finding myself stuck in that mess.

I, at this point am all for shooting to kill ANYONE obstructing aid efforts. The ones thwarting aide are not helping the situation, they are hindering it and are lousy excuses for Americans. Good Riddance!

Who the fuck shoots at people trying to help them and others at a time like this? I don't care if they are exterminated from the planet. I really don't.

Do you want those thugs being evacuated to your town next? They are going to get out eventually and pick up their pieces by criminalizing other areas of the nation. They don't know how to give and be constructive and productive citizens.

Why loose hundreds to thousands of more decent human beings to save a spare the lives of guys shooting at helpers.

Everyone I have talked with today on the phone and out about have all agreed that we need to take those fuckers out.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4608231 - 09/01/05 12:55 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

This just in: Snipers fire on aid workers trying to evacuate NO hospital.

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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: Redstorm]
    #4608238 - 09/01/05 12:56 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Kill them. Immediately. Don't even bother reporting it. Just blame it on another looter. Most of these people have to be on OTC drugs.

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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: bukkake]
    #4608246 - 09/01/05 12:57 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

No kidding. Anyone who fires on aid workers is not fit to live.

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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: afoaf]
    #4608271 - 09/01/05 01:03 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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afoaf said:
and how many helicopters and boats are just lying around handy
to evacuate 10's of thousands of people?!



There are definitely helicopters in Iraq, but that's a little too far away for them to respond to domestic needs.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: Redstorm]
    #4608273 - 09/01/05 01:04 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Redstorm said:
No kidding. Anyone who fires on aid workers is not fit to live.


:thumbup:

Screw any whining up the road that police and military were shooting at civilians. People who are shooting at aid workers are not civilized and don't count as civilians.

Shoot to kill!


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4608279 - 09/01/05 01:05 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I've got a boat and a chain saw! I can't get the images of people trapped and dying/ drowning in thier ATTICS!!! As we speak! We all need to do something. If no one else can help, then we need to become self-sufficient on a private level. This is rediculous.
After we can get near a death toll, which probably won't be finished until long after they've drained it, we're going to have thousands of our fellow humans homeless. As if the problem weren't bad enough already! Everyone is in shock. But those capable of doing more, including those operating on a private level, haven't done enough.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: austio_ferocious]
    #4608324 - 09/01/05 01:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Not only drowning but others have been baking alive in over 100 degree attics with no water or tools to bust out to get saved.

There is a bigger problem now. Many have been driving in to help and they are being car jacked and shot at.

The homeless count a few days ago was already at one million.

Already hundreds of people have been taking in families.

I don't like the helpless feeling myself as I want to help. I sent a check in to the Red Cross on Tuesday. I would drive in with water but I don't want to get car jacked.

I think only today more people started realizing the magnitude of this. People were treating it like a joke earlier.

It's frustrating.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: 1stimer]
    #4608597 - 09/01/05 01:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

An entire town has been destroyed and is underwater. Are you a Monday morning quarterback simply saying "Hey, something is bad, it must be the fault of the government!" or do you have real ideas for how to get things solved down there. I volunteer with the Red Cross and we need volunteers to go down there. PM me if you'd like information, I'll call you and we can have your brilliance on scene in a day or two. Maybe you could bring a REALLY BIG bucket and bail the city out?


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4608608 - 09/01/05 02:01 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Does anyone offical, such as National Guardsmen, feel that they are so understaffed because of the Iraq war that they can't do their job? If not, it's just your "anti-war sentiment" colored glasses shading what you see. What the fuck good would a Abrams tank do in New Orleans? What would Special Forces do? Shoot the water out? Bomb it?


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4608643 - 09/01/05 02:06 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

special forces can secure hospitals and vital resources,
perhaps create command posts to help with the logistical
efforts.

maybe the could employ those large trucks and helicopters
that would otherwise be sitting in local bases to clear
out the people and debris.

I'm just playing devil's advocate, but I can think of a lot of
things more manpower could provide.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: afoaf]
    #4608721 - 09/01/05 02:21 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

As I've offered to Pro, if you can show me where a National Guardsman officer, an Army officer or a Coast Guard officer said it's the lack of manpower and resources, then maybe I'll concede that the Iraq war is preventing such things from being accessible. Until then, it's conjecture by the anti-war faction.

I wonder why they aren't mentioning Afghanistan? Or the hundreds of thousands of troops we have all around the world.

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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4608809 - 09/01/05 02:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Fact: helicopters, manpower and other resources are tied up in Iraq.

However, after careful consideration I will concede the following points:
    1) Since people under the command of the President are very busy and not publicly speaking out against their commander in chief's allocation of resources, it must mean that everything's A-OKAY.

    2) National guard from OTHER STATES are responding, apparently those from the Louisiana National Guard Units overseas aren't needed and it's easier to get those left stateside from other states than to have local forces respond from bases outside the country.

    3) I will also concede your implied point that local law enforcement, fire, search and rescue, medical and engineering personnel in local guard units and reserve units who are on duty in Iraq would in no way be useful in such an emergency situation.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4608822 - 09/01/05 02:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

And the troops in the other 38 nations we have troops? Any reason you aren't mentioning them? The troops in Afghanistan? Oh! Hah, sorry! Why would you mention things that don't support your point of view! :smile:

What the hell would these people do? What if we had EVERY soldier in our military there. Would you want them shooting at the scumbags who are taking shots at choppers?  Using US military personnel against it's citizenry was outlawed in the Constitution for a reason.  Fortunately the Defence Department Act of 1982 (might be off on the years!) changed that dumb posse comitatus status.  Maybe they could say that the Orleansers are running a meth lab, like they did in Waco, to avoid that new provision :smile:

The thing to do is get as many people out as they can, which is working as well as it can, and wait for the waters to subside.  The Marine transports that carry RO water units and TONS of food are being sent to these areas to help out.  Just what do you want done?


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4608839 - 09/01/05 02:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Just what do you want done?



More effiency? It's ludicrous to believe we can't drop a water bottle to someone in New Orleans while the elderly are dropping like flies.

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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: bukkake]
    #4608849 - 09/01/05 02:54 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I still don't know whats being done and what isn't. I know that massive amounts of NatGuardsmen are pouring in, I know that the USGC has claimed to rescue 3,000 people in the past few days with choppers. I think that we are doing as much as possible. We haven't even expended our resourced yet, maybe it's not time to go surrenduring to Kim Jong Il to get a few thousand troops back?


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4608884 - 09/01/05 03:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

MagicalMystery said:
And the troops in the other 38 nations we have troops?



They should be home.

Quote:

Any reason you aren't mentioning them?



Again, they should be home. However, I think the largest deployment is currently in Iraq.

Quote:

The troops in Afghanistan?



They should be home.

Quote:

What the hell would these people do?



Use your imagination. There are MANY support positions which can be useful such as, medical, engineering, MPs, etc. Also, as I have stated, there are reserve and National Guard personnel who are fire fighters, search and rescue, police, engineers and medical personnel in their civilian positions who could be useful.

Quote:

Would you want them shooting at the scumbags who are taking shots at choppers?



Yes, National Guard units have shot looters and rioters before.

Quote:

Using US military personnel against it's citizenry was outlawed in the Constitution for a reason.



Hold on there, sport. Believe it or not, many military resources can be used FOR RESCUE of civilians, medical care and repair of infrastructure. Ever heard of 'helicopters'? Do you know the term, 'medic'? Have you ever heard of the Army Corp of Engineers? If you like to quote where in the Constitution that this is forbidden, please do so.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4608900 - 09/01/05 03:06 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Prosgeopax said:
MM -
The troops in Afghanistan?
They should be home.




Gonna have to disagree on that one. The rest, I'd say I agree with partially.
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Use your imagination. There are MANY support positions which can be useful such as, medical, engineering, MPs, etc. Also, as I have stated, there are reserve and National Guard personnel who are fire fighters, search and rescue, police, engineers and medical personnel in their civilian positions who could be useful.




I'm not on the ground but I've been dealing with Red Cross personnel that are. It's just a huge fucked up situation. IF you think that more people down there would be the solution, PM me your contact info and I'll see if we can get you down there.
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Yes, National Guard units have shot looters and rioters before.




So the non-Guard troops, the regular army, you don't want them to come back from the other nations we have posts in? Iraq? Afghanistan?
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Hold on there, sport. Believe it or not, many military resources can be used FOR RESCUE of civilians, medical care and repair of infrastructure. Ever heard of 'helicopters'? Do you know the term, 'medic'? Have you ever heard of the Army Corp of Engineers? If you like to quote where in the Constitution that this is forbidden, please do so.



They have helicopters! They are being SHOT AT. The AC of E is down there working to rebuild things. You can't rebuild a dam thats flooded or a levee thats fifteen feet underwater. I don't know what the problem is down there, but I think that they should have enough PEOPLE who aren't doing things to help! A million people are homeless, load them onto the backs of the nat guard trucks, give them chainsaws and MRE's and water and you've got support!


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4609060 - 09/01/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Are we supposed to cite every po-dunk country
that has american troops in this discussion?

Answer this...which country has the largest population
of US military personal outside the states?

Ummm.....uhhh...ummmm

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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: afoaf]
    #4609090 - 09/01/05 03:49 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Twenty five THOUSAND national guardsmen are being deployed. Just to give you a picture of how many people this is, their are ~24K at the Superdome needing evacuation. Thats a SHITLOAD of soldiers, the largest deployment in our history.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4609172 - 09/01/05 04:05 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

it would be easier if the natn'l guard rushed in and killed everyone, or just left the weak to die. hey, its not like a country of dumb reproductive trash cant easily recover the #'s within a period of months.

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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: afoaf]
    #4609206 - 09/01/05 04:14 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
special forces can secure hospitals and vital resources,
perhaps create command posts to help with the logistical
efforts.






They could be, however, they sadly are not. Armed looters just took over a hospital in NO (MSNBC)

Speaking of command posts, where are they? They havn't shown ONE of FEMAs yet. They should've been set up in the North of every gulf state during saturday and sunday and had wharehouses stocked and trucks ready to move.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4609215 - 09/01/05 04:16 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Katrina military response
By R. Neal

The U.S. military and National Guard units around the South are mobilizing in response to Katrina. Here are some reports:

(Click on the "there's more" link below for the rest of the article...)

Army News Service:

# More than 5,000 National Guard troops have been activated in four states to assist with recovery operations as 140-mph winds of Hurricane Katrina strike the Gulf Coast.

# The Army Corps of Engineers is anticipating potential requirements to pump water out of New Orleans, much of which is below sea level and protected by a system of dikes, levees and pumps.

# First U.S. Army activated its 24-hour Crisis Action Team Aug. 28 and sent defense coordinating elements to three states. These elements help U.S. Northern Command coordinate DoD support to civil authorities as requested by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

# About 780 National Guard troops were called to state active duty in Florida to help distribute ice and water and to man Logistic Support Sites in Miami and Homestead, Fla. At least six Florida residents were reportedly killed in the storm and about half a million were without electric power.

# Mississippi activated 853 National Guard troops and has staged them at Camp Shelby, Miss., for the recovery operation. The Soldiers are ready to perform debris removal, security and logistical support, officials said.

# Alabama has activated about 160 National Guard troops who are helping sandbag critical coastal areas and have prepositioned generators and trucks for the hurricane recovery operation. The Alabama National Guard activated its Emergency Operations Center in Mobile with support from the 711th Signal Battalion and the 226th Area Support Group, state officials said. They said Army and Air National Guard troops are also monitoring the hurricane and emergency response operations from the Guard?s Joint Operations Center in Montgomery.

# "Right now [ed. note: yesterday], First Army is leaning forward and planning for any number of needs the states may have once this hurricane hits," said Lt. Gen. Russel L. Honor?, commanding general, First U.S. Army. "I have been in contact with each of the state?s adjutant generals and assured them that First Army is ready to help."

"One of the things we learned last year with the series of hurricanes that passed through Florida, was the need for satellite communications," said Col. James Hickey, chief of staff, First U.S. Army. "This storm will likely take out some key communications nodes and cell phones and land lines may not work for some time."

Based on that assessment, First Army is identifying satellite phones and other military communications assets that do not rely on local infrastructure. Food, water and ice are also key resources and the military is planning to help with quick distribution of those supplies in the aftermath of the storm.

Other possible requirements include helicopter support for evacuation, emergency supplies and damage assessments; medical personnel, supplies and equipment to include sanitation expertise; transportation units with the capability to ford high water; watercraft assets for coastal areas; and construction, bridging and utility engineer units.

U.S. Navy:

# The amphibious assault ship USS Bataan (LHD 5) and other U.S. Navy assets are making preparations to provide assistance in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, if needed. Bataan is currently underway in the Gulf of Mexico and standing by to provide assistance as needed in hurricane-affected areas.

Based in Norfolk, Bataan is underway for previously scheduled operations, and will remain in the vicinity of impacted areas until otherwise directed. If called upon, Bataan brings unique humanitarian capabilities to the scene. [ed. note: the Bataan has a 600 bed hospital on board.]

# Helicopter Mine Countermeasures Squadron Fifteen (HM-15) embarked three MH-53E helicopters in preparation for possible relief efforts along the Gulf Coast in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. The MH-53E Sea Dragon is capable of carrying 55 passengers and 16 tons of cargo 50 nautical miles.

U.S. Coast Guard:

# More than 40 Coast Guard aircraft from units along the entire eastern seaboard, along with more than 30 small boats, patrol boats and cutters, are positioning themselves in staging areas around the projected impact area - from Jacksonville, Fla., to Houston - making preparations to conduct immediate post-hurricane search, rescue and humanitarian aid operations, waterway impact assessments and waterway reconstitution operations.

[ed. note: the U.S. Coast Guard has set up a news and information website with rescue reports and photos.]

From the Shreveport Times:

As Hurricane Katrina surged past New Orleans, Louisiana mobilized its soldiers to help, as did Mississippi, Alabama and other southern states. Despite prominent roles in the War on Terror, the states report more than the 50 percent strength mandated for homeland missions. Louisiana has 65 percent of its troops available for state missions; Mississippi, 60 percent; Alabama, 77 percent; and Florida, 74 percent, Guard officials said.

[..]

The Louisiana National Guard had called almost 3,500 of its members to state active duty as of 7 a.m. Monday to help with missions that ranged from aiding law enforcement agencies with traffic control and security to conducting searches and rescues and providing generator support. Guard members conducted security and screening at the emergency shelter at the New Orleans Superdome, and elsewhere helped state police with evacuations.

Some have expressed concern that the National Guard might be spread too thin because of deployments to Iraq. According to the report from the Shreveport Times above, officials say they have sufficient personnel to aid in the recovery efforts. At any rate, these folks have a tough job ahead of them for the next days and weeks, and Gulf Coast residents will be grateful for their assistance.









They were. Maybe they didn't plan on the people there taking up arms against the rescuers?


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4609256 - 09/01/05 04:30 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Before people were taking up arms, there were Reporters in every state effected, had been there for 3 DAYS and said they had not seen any offical personel, except for the Red Cross which acts independently from the government.

Last night, a reporter was next to 3 busses people were bribing to get on with money. They were refused because the busses were brought in to get Police officers and their families out of there.

Something is beggining to really smell bad here.


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4609274 - 09/01/05 04:36 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I'm just going to go ahead and assume that you don't have any independent verification of this police-evacuation scandal. Am I right?


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Re: Homeland Security Is Obviously A Facade [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4609295 - 09/01/05 04:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

You call it a scandal if you want. I don't. I just repeated what I saw on MSNBC last night. Take it for what its worth off the news. Maybe someone else saw that report.

Like it's a shocker. Remember that Greek cruise ship that started sinking and the Captain and Crew who got on to the life boats first and left the passengers to sink and die.

People panic.

Aren't you hearing the reports where relief workers are saying that they are absolutely overwhelmed. Without back up, and watching the situation tank and people getting angry, I would get out of dodge too if I could.

Did you see how angry that crowed was outside of the Convention Center this morning? They had to edit the coverage before they showwed it. Thats some scary shit.

They still have in adequate back up.


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