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News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us
    #4604050 - 08/31/05 04:25 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

The Story

Really long, please read carefully if in intend on responding.

"APR 26--When 14-year-old Irma Perez of Belmont, California, took a single ecstasy pill one evening last April, she had no idea she would become one of the 26,000 people who die every year from drugs.1 Irma took ecstasy with two of her 14-year-old friends in her home. Soon after taking the tiny blue pill, Irma complained of feeling awful and said she felt like she was "going to die." Instead of seeking medical care, her friends called the 17-year-old dealer who supplied the pills and asked for advice. The friends tried to get Irma to smoke marijuana, but when she couldn't because she was vomiting and lapsing into a coma, they stuffed marijuana leaves into her mouth because, according to news sources, "they knew that drug is sometimes used to treat cancer patients."2

Irma Perez died from taking ecstasy, but compounding that tragedy was the deadly decision to use marijuana to "treat" her instead of making what could have been a lifesaving call to 911. Irma was a victim of our society's stunning misinformation about marijuana-a society that has come to believe that marijuana use is not only an individual's free choice but also is good medicine, a cure-all for a variety of ills. A recent poll showed that nearly three-fourths of Americans over the age of 45 support legalizing marijuana for medical use.3

It's a belief that has filtered down to many of our teens, if what I'm hearing during my visits with middle school and high school students across the country is true. I'm amazed at how well versed in drug legalization these teens are. It is as if legalization advocates stood outside their schools handing out their leaflets of lies. Here is what students have told me about marijuana: "It's natural because it grows in the ground, so it must be good for you." "It must be medicine, because it makes me feel better." "Since everybody says it's medicine, it is."

Legalization advocates themselves have alluded to the fact that so-called medical marijuana is a way of achieving wholesale drug legalization. A few years ago, the New York Times interviewed Ethan Nadelmann, director of the Lindesmith Center, a drug policy research center. Responding to criticism that the so-called medical marijuana issue is a stalking horse for drug legalization, Mr. Nadelmann did not disagree. "Will it help lead toward marijuana legalization?" he asked. "I hope so."4

The issue of marijuana as medicine has captured the nation's attention and has now made its way to the U. S. Supreme Court, with Ashcroft v. Raich still pending.5 The natural extension of this myth is that, if marijuana is medicine, it must also be safe for recreational use. This pervasive mindset has even reached our courts. In January 2005, for example, Governor Frank Murkowski of Alaska had to ask the legislature "to overrule a court ruling that adult Alaskans have the right to possess marijuana for personal use in their homes."6 There was no pretense of medical use in this ruling; it gave Alaskans the legal right to smoke marijuana for any reason, lending credence to the belief that marijuana is not only safe to treat serious illness but somehow safe for general use and for all society.

What is the antidote? Spreading the truth. As a prominent spokesperson in your community, you have the opportunity and, I would argue, the responsibility to inform your neighbors. America is not suffering from anything that the truth can't cure. To help you set the record straight, this article seeks to rebut the rhetoric and recap the reality.

Myth: Marijuana is medicine.

Reality: Smoked marijuana is not medicine.
The scientific and medical communities have determined that smoked marijuana is a health danger, not a cure. There is no medical evidence that smoking marijuana helps patients. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved no medications that are smoked, primarily because smoking is a poor way to deliver medicine. Morphine, for example has proven to be a medically valuable drug, but the FDA does not endorse smoking opium or heroin.

Congress enacted laws against marijuana in 1970 based in part on its conclusion that marijuana has no scientifically proven medical value, which the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed more than 30 years later in United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Cooperative, et al., 532 U.S. 483 (2001). Marijuana remains in schedule 1 of the Controlled Substances Act because it has a high potential for abuse, a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision, and no currently accepted medical value.7

The American Medical Association has rejected pleas to endorse marijuana as medicine, and instead urged that marijuana remain a prohibited schedule 1 drug at least until the results of controlled studies are in.8 The National Multiple Sclerosis Society stated that studies done to date "have not provided convincing evidence that marijuana benefits people with MS" and does not recommend it as a treatment.9 Further, the MS Society states that for people with MS "long-term use of marijuana may be associated with significant serious side effects."10

The British Medical Association has taken a similar position, voicing "extreme concern" that downgrading the criminal status of marijuana would "mislead" the public into thinking that the drug is safe to use when, "in fact, it has been linked to greater risk of heart disease, lung cancer, bronchitis, and emphysema."11

In 1999 the Institute of Medicine (IOM) undertook a landmark study reviewing the alleged medical properties of marijuana. Advocates of so-called medical marijuana frequently tout this study, but the study's findings decisively undercut their arguments. In truth, the IOM explicitly found that marijuana is not medicine and expressed concern about patients' smoking it because smoking is a harmful drug-delivery system. The IOM further found that there was no scientific evidence that smoked marijuana had medical value, even for the chronically ill, and concluded that "there is little future in smoked marijuana as a medically approved medication."12 In fact, the researchers who conducted the study could find no medical value to marijuana for virtually any ailment they examined, including the treatment of wasting syndrome in AIDS patients, movement disorders such as Parkinson's disease and epilepsy, or glaucoma.

The IOM found that THC13 (the primary psychoactive ingredient in marijuana) in smoked marijuana provides only temporary relief from intraocular pressure (IOP) associated with glaucoma and would have to be smoked eight to 10 times a day to achieve consistent results. And there exists another treatment for IOP, as the availability of medically approved once- or twice-a-day eye drops makes IOP control a reality for many patients and provides round-the-clock IOP reduction.14 For two other conditions, nausea and pain, the report recommended against marijuana use, while suggesting further research in limited circumstances for THC but not smoked marijuana.15

Before any drug can be marketed in the United States, it must undergo rigorous scientific scrutiny and clinical evaluation overseen by the FDA. For example, the FDA has approved Marinol (dronabinol)-a safe capsule form of synthetic THC that meets the standard of accepted medicine and has the same properties as cultivated marijuana without the high- for the treatment of nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy and for the treatment of wasting syndrome in AIDS patients.

The federal government has approved and continues to approve research into the possible use of marijuana as medicine and any new delivery systems of marijuana's active ingredients. To quote U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer's remarks during the November 2004 Raich oral argument, "Medicine by regulation is better than medicine by referendum."16 Proving that the regulatory process does work, DEA has registered every researcher who meets FDA standards to use marijuana in scientific studies. Since 2000, for example, the California-based Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research (CMCR) has gained approval for 14 trials using smoked marijuana in human beings and three trials in laboratory and animal models.17 This CMCR research is the first effort to study the medical efficacy of marijuana. But researchers have not endorsed smoking marijuana and instead are attempting to isolate marijuana's active ingredients to develop alternative delivery systems to smoking.18 Not one of these researchers has found scientific proof that smoke marijuana is medicine.

Myth: Legalization of marijuana in other countries has been a success.

Reality: Liberalization of drug laws in other countries has often resulted in higher use of dangerous drugs. Over the past decade, drug policy in some foreign countries, particularly those in Europe, has gone through some dramatic changes toward greater liberalization with failed results. Consider the experience of the Netherlands, where the government reconsidered its legalization measures in light of that country's experience. After marijuana use became legal, consumption nearly tripled among 18- to 20-year-olds. As awareness of the harm of marijuana grew, the number of cannabis coffeehouses in the Netherlands decreased 36 percent in six years. Almost all Dutch towns have a cannabis policy, and 73 percent of them have a no-tolerance policy toward the coffeehouses.20

In 1987 Swiss officials permitted drug use and sales in a Zurich park, which was soon dubbed Needle Park, and Switzerland became a magnet for drug users the world over. Within five years, the number of regular drug users at the park had reportedly swelled from a few hundred to 20,000. The area around the park became crime-ridden to the point that the park had to be shut down and the experiment terminated.21

Marijuana use by Canadian teenagers is at a 25-year peak in the wake of an aggressive decriminalization movement. At the very time a decriminalization bill was before the House of Commons, the Canadian government released a report showing that marijuana smoking among teens is "at levels that we haven't seen since the late '70s when rates reached their peak."22 After a large decline in the 1980s, marijuana use among teens increased during the 1990s, as young people apparently became "confused about the state of federal pot laws."23

Myth: Marijuana is harmless.

Reality: Marijuana is dangerous to the user.
Use of marijuana has adverse health, safety, social, academic, economic, and behavioral consequences; and children are the most vulnerable to its damaging effects. Marijuana is the most widely used illicit drug in America24 and is readily available to kids.25 Compounding the problem is that the marijuana of today is not the marijuana of the baby boomers 30 years ago. Average THC levels rose from less than 1 percent in the mid-1970s to more than 8 percent in 2004.26 And the potency of B.C. Bud,a popular type of marijuana cultivated in British Columbia, Canada, is roughly twice the national average-ranging from 15 percent THC content to 20 percent or even higher.27

Marijuana use can lead to dependence and abuse. Marijuana was the second most common illicit drug responsible for drug treatment admissions in 2002-outdistancing crack cocaine, the next most prevalent cause.28 Shocking to many is that more teens are in treatment each year for marijuana dependence than for alcohol and all other illegal drugs combined.29 This is a trend that has been increasing for more than a decade: in 2002, 64 percent of adolescent treatment admissions reported marijuana as their primary substance of abuse, compared to 23 percent in 1992.30

Marijuana is a gateway drug. In drug law enforcement, rarely do we meet heroin or cocaine addicts who did not start their drug use with marijuana. Scientific studies bear out our anecdotal findings. For example, the Journal of the American Medical Association reported, based on a study of 300 sets of twins, that marijuana-using twins were four times more likely than their siblings to use cocaine and crack cocaine, and five times more likely to use hallucinogens such as LSD.31 Furthermore, the younger a person is when he or she first uses marijuana, the more likely that person is to use cocaine and heroin and become drug-dependent as an adult. One study found that 62 percent of the adults who first tried marijuana before they were 15 were likely to go on to use cocaine. In contrast, only 1 percent or less of adults who never tried marijuana used heroin or cocaine.32

Smoking marijuana can cause significant health problems. Marijuana contains more than 400 chemicals, of which 60 are cannabinoids.33 Smoking a marijuana cigarette deposits about three to five times more tar into the lungs than one filtered tobacco cigarette.34 Consequently, regular marijuana smokers suffer from many of the same health problems as tobacco smokers, such as chronic coughing and wheezing, chest colds, and chronic bronchitis.35 In fact, studies show that smoking three to four joints per day causes at least as much harm to the respiratory system as smoking a full pack of cigarettes every day.36 Marijuana smoke also contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than tobacco smoke and produces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into malignant cells.37

In addition, smoking marijuana can lead to increased anxiety, panic attacks, depression, social withdrawal, and other mental health problems, particularly for teens.38 Research shows that kids aged 12 to 17 who smoke marijuana weekly are three times more likely than nonusers to have suicidal thoughts.39 Marijuana use also can cause cognitive impairment, to include such short-term effects as distorted perception, memory loss, and trouble with thinking and problem solving. Students with an average grade of D or below were found to be more than four times as likely to have used marijuana in the past year as youths who reported an average grade of A.40 For young people, whose brains are still developing, these effects are particularly problematic and jeopardize their ability to achieve their full potential.41

Myth: Smoking marijuana harms only the smokers.

Reality: Marijuana use harms nonusers.
We need to put to rest the thought that there is such a thing as a lone drug user, a person whose habits affect only himself or herself. Drug use, including marijuana use, is not a victimless crime. Some in your communities may resist involvement because they think someone else's drug use is not hurting them. But this kind of not-my-problem thinking is tragically misguided. Ask those same people about secondhand smoke from cigarettes, and they'll quickly acknowledge the harm that befalls nonsmokers. Secondhand smoke is a well-known problem, one that Americans are becoming more unwilling to bear. We need to apply the same common-sense thinking to the even more pernicious secondhand effects of drug use.

Take for instance the disastrous effects of marijuana smoking on driving. As the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) noted, "Epidemiology data from . . . traffic arrests and fatalities indicate that after alcohol, marijuana is the most frequently detected psychoactive substance among driving populations."42 Marijuana causes drivers to experience decreased car handling performance, increased reaction times, distorted time and distance estimation, sleepiness, impaired motor skills, and lack of concentration.43

The extent of the problem of marijuana-impaired driving is startling. One in six (or 600,000) high school students drive under the influence of marijuana, almost as many as drive under the influence of alcohol, according to estimates released in September 2003 by the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP).44 A study of motorists pulled over for reckless driving showed that, among those who were not impaired by alcohol, 45 percent tested positive for marijuana.45

For those of you who patrol streets and highways, you know that the consequences of marijuana-impaired driving can be tragic. For example, four children and their van driver-nicknamed Smokey by the children for his regular marijuana smoking-died in April 2002 when a Tippy Toes Learning Academy van veered off a freeway and hit a concrete bridge abutment. He was found at the crash scene with marijuana in his pocket.46

Some such drug-impaired drivers will be detected through the Drug Recognition Expert program, which operates under the direction of the IACP and is supported by NHTSA.47 However, if we are to bolster cases against drugged drivers, greater protection for innocents on the road requires the development of affordable roadside drug detection tests, and some are in the testing phase now.

Secondhand smoke from marijuana kills other innocents as well. Last year, two Philadelphia firefighters were killed when they responded to a residential fire stemming from an indoor marijuana grow.48 In New York City, an eight-year-old boy, Deasean Hill, was killed by a stray bullet just steps from his Brooklyn home after a drug dealer sold a dime bag of marijuana on another dealer's turf.49

Chief: Help Spread the Truth about Marijuana
Debunking these myths and arming our young people and their parents with the facts do work. We have proof. It came in the form of good news from the Monitoring the Future survey that reveals that marijuana use has dropped 36 percent among eighth graders since 1996, and modestly declined among 10th and 12th graders.50 It is no coincidence that while marijuana use declined, the proportion of students perceiving marijuana use as dangerous increased.51 "Quite possibly, the media campaign aimed at marijuana use that has been undertaken by ONDCP, in collaboration with the Partnership for a Drug Free America, has been having its intended effect," University of Michigan researcher Lloyd Johnston, the study's principal investigator, said.52 Research also shows that parental disapproval can prevent teen drug use. Most young people (89 percent) reported that their parents strongly disapprove of their trying marijuana. Among these youths, only 5 percent had used marijuana in the past month.53

Spread the truth. Join with your community leaders. Clear the smokescreen by educating the children, parents, teachers, physicians, and legislators in your community before the myths kill any more Irma Perezes or Deasean Hills.
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I want proof, statistics, evidence to rebut everything that was said in this article. I personally don't know much about this so I am asking those that have more knowlege of the subject to discuss this article.


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: Pirate_Patrick]
    #4604104 - 08/31/05 04:43 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

This is just about the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. This guy thinks that the myths about the positive effects are what's killing us?! Absolutely infuriating.


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: Pirate_Patrick]
    #4605274 - 08/31/05 09:23 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Pirate_Patrick said:
The friends tried to get Irma to smoke marijuana, but when she couldn't because she was vomiting and lapsing into a coma, they stuffed marijuana leaves into her mouth because, according to news sources, "they knew that drug is sometimes used to treat cancer patients."





The very idea that this is supposed to be some reason why the medical marijuana movement is evil is ludacris. A person would have to be pretty freakin' stupid to actually think that anything which is used to treat cancer patients is somehow universally a cure for anything.

Besides which, all of these things happened because marijuana & MDMA are illegal. What dumb logic.

There are a whole bunch of other problems with the DEA's arguments here, but they are so insipid that I'm not even going to bother responding to them.


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: Pirate_Patrick]
    #4607350 - 09/01/05 10:32 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Myth: Legalization of marijuana in other countries has been a success.

Reality: Liberalization of drug laws in other countries has often resulted in higher use of dangerous drugs.



Quote:

Heroine addicts as a percentage of population (in 1995):
160 per 100,000 in the Netherlands;
430 per 100,000 in the U.S.
(Sources: Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport;
White House Office of National Drug Control Policy)



If the Netherlands is as big of a marijuana-infested cesspool as the article imples, wouldn't they uh, have more heroin users?


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: bukkake]
    #4609882 - 09/01/05 09:02 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Good thing no one really listens to the DEA even if they are against drugs (why bother taking all that time?)

"a victim of our society's stunning misinformation about marijuana-a society that has come to believe that marijuana use is not only an individual's free choice "

SAY WHAT? 3/4 of America wants it legalized and you say no, you don't get the right to do that, that's our decision?

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The DEA's Administrative Law Judge, Francis Young concluded: "In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care.:

Source: US Department of



http://www.drugwarfacts.org/marijuan.htm

the people do need the truth about marijuana, and the truth is this: The government will not sell it to you because they want you to be forced to buy their most addictive and dangerous and worthless drugs. Your children use marijuana because it is popular, and it is popular because it is outlawed. Because of the government's prohibition, drug dealers exist that SELL specifically TO CHILDREN. If marijuana were available in stores, kids would at least have to get fake IDs or have friends or relatives buy it for them.

Marijuana is only dangerous because it is illegal.

Oh and guess what, if ecstacy were legal that little girl's friends would have taken her to the hospital because there would be NO DRUG DEALER in the picture and becasue they wouldn't have to fear getting in major trouble for posession of a "controlled substance"

I might even go as far as to say that X didn't kill that girl, the US government did by refusing to step in admist a REAL drug crisis, be the better man, and allow its citiziens access to safe untainted drugs with proper medical oversight.


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: leery11]
    #4646105 - 09/11/05 03:20 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Holy fucking hell, that whole article is almost backwards. What the fuck, I hardly know where to start... stuffing pot leaves in someone's mouth? Yeah right, a 17 year old douche would even have a quantity of pot leaves just laying around for emergencies. Most girls hardly even purchase more than 1/8ths on a regular basis.

Bad driving, harmful cannabinoids and chemicals, shooting kids over dime bags? This was written by some crazy white anglo-saxon, guaranteed. They need to go hump some more bibles cause they're all about lies.

We all know they (governing powers) need to handle marijuana and the information about it much better. Legalize and educate. The way people go about it now is bullshit, we're running around in circles and most importantly, dicking each other in the ass, no spit. Wow.


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: browndustin]
    #4648082 - 09/11/05 11:45 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Dear Karen P. Tandy Administrator, U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, Washington, D.C., and Chair, IACP Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs Committee

You are a traitor to your country and to your people. You need to be tried by a court of your educated peers for the crimes of treason. You have conspired to diliberatly mislead your nations leaders and the peole of your country. In doing so you have caused many lives to be lost and many more lives ruined by the idocy of the war on your own people that you call; the war on drugs. You and all those who conspire with you need to be shown the true lunacy of your actions and the depth to which they have hurt the people of this nation. After you admit your guilt and renounce your former handlers, then you may be spared life in prison by working to end the misinformation of drug use to the people of this country and to end the injustice that has so many innocent people caught in the revolving door of our overcrowed prisons.


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: Sycronica]
    #4692207 - 09/21/05 10:31 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

"OMG! im bleeding, QUICK! get some pot and rub it on my cut. Whats that? THATS MY DIME BAG BITCH *bangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbangbang* bitch".


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: Sycronica]
    #5910984 - 07/29/06 04:06 AM (10 years, 4 months ago)

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Sycronica said:
Dear Karen P. Tandy Administrator, U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration, Washington, D.C., and Chair, IACP Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs Committee

You are a traitor to your country and to your people. You need to be tried by a court of your educated peers for the crimes of treason. You have conspired to diliberatly mislead your nations leaders and the peole of your country. In doing so you have caused many lives to be lost and many more lives ruined by the idocy of the war on your own people that you call; the war on drugs. You and all those who conspire with you need to be shown the true lunacy of your actions and the depth to which they have hurt the people of this nation. After you admit your guilt and renounce your former handlers, then you may be spared life in prison by working to end the misinformation of drug use to the people of this country and to end the injustice that has so many innocent people caught in the revolving door of our overcrowed prisons.




Brilliant!!!!

Everyone should write this letter!


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: Pirate_Patrick]
    #5918363 - 07/31/06 01:59 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

that was a pretty nauseating read.


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: wilshire]
    #5921942 - 08/01/06 03:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

The DEA is no longer happy enforcing the laws, they haved moved into the arena of MAKING and MAINTAINING the laws that they, not the american people, think are appropriate. Shame! Shame! Shame!

I'm going outside to beat my head agianst a tree now and clear out all that bullshit! And then I'm gonna smoke a J.

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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: Pirate_Patrick]
    #9596470 - 01/12/09 07:29 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

this is simply ubsurd.
First of all if anything drug related killed that girl it deffinatly wasnt the pot...i dont know about any of you but i have never heard of anyone dieing of a marijuana OD...

and the whole reckless driving section most everyone i know drives alot more cautious then even being straight when theyre high.

and the last thing im gonna gripe about is that marijuana is a gateway drug. HA Not so much...i know many people including myself that just smoke pot, and i have no urge to do anything else. And on the flipside of course people who allow themselves to do meth or other hard drugs arent goin to be opposed to smoking marijuana if they are going to do something worse why in the hell wouldnt they smoke pot...


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: jrun09]
    #9603876 - 01/13/09 10:19 PM (7 years, 10 months ago)

Peanuts kill more people than Ecstasy in the UK. Maybe if it were legal the teens wouldn't have felt qualms about calling 911?

Remember the folks at the DEA also think prohibition was a success. do we have a :headinthesand: smiley?


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: Twirling]
    #18396644 - 06/10/13 12:16 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

MDMA is only dangerous because of the other drugs it is often laced with. Legalized, it would only be sold in pure MDMA Molly powder, which is far less dangerous to the user.


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: iLSD420]
    #18443355 - 06/19/13 06:42 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

First thing is first, Irma's friends must have been legitimate sufferers of mental retardation.
Second thing, I'm guessing that this article was written the way it was written, extremely long with awful sources, so that no one wants to actually take the time and energy to argue it :facepalm3: Fuck man, I really want to write a rebuttal to everything in this, but I honestly don't think I have the motivation to do so (makes stereotypical stoner joke). Time to pop some vyvanse? (Makes "pot is a gateway drug" joke)


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: Pirate_Patrick] * 1
    #18444527 - 06/19/13 11:01 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

APR 26--When 14-year-old Irma Perez of Belmont, California, took a single ecstasy pill one evening last April, she had no idea she would become one of the 26,000 people who die every year from drugs.1
What the fuck? Actually 2.5 million people die from drugs world-wide. And let's take a look at just the US: Illegal drugs kill 17,000 each year, prescription drugs kill 32,000 a year, alcohol kills 85,000, and tobacco smoking kills 435,000 (http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30#sthash.9Bp5dNBy.dpbs) So where does the 26,000 number come from? Who knows? Also, taking "a single ecstasy pill" is not only superficial and irrelevant to the main purpose of the article, but it leaves enormous gaps in the useless information. Ecstasy implies that the drug in it was MDMA, but if it was a pressed pill, or even a gelcap it could very well have been cut. What was in the ecstasy pill? Meth? Piperazine? A gram of caffeine? Information not provided.

Irma took ecstasy with two of her 14-year-old friends in her home. Soon after taking the tiny blue pill, Irma complained of feeling awful and said she felt like she was "going to die." Instead of seeking medical care, her friends called the 17-year-old dealer who supplied the pills and asked for advice. The friends tried to get Irma to smoke marijuana, but when she couldn't because she was vomiting and lapsing into a coma, they stuffed marijuana leaves into her mouth because, according to news sources, "they knew that drug is sometimes used to treat cancer patients."2
Why does the age of the users matter to the article? Why is the pill being tiny and blue relevant? The feeling of  "going to die" doesn't sound at all like MDMA to me. So we're supposed to think that because a 17 year old who sells 14 year old kids "ecstasy" told them that marijuana would somehow stop an overdose on a toxic drug, that the movement towards legalization is bad? WHAT THE FUCK??? It's pretty goddamn obvious that this area of California (as well as the DEA) must have less evolved humans, because everything about this sounds like the logic of a toddler, "Mommy told me Santa is real and Mommy wouldn't lie".

Irma Perez died from taking ecstasy, but compounding that tragedy was the deadly decision to use marijuana to "treat" her instead of making what could have been a lifesaving call to 911.
WHAT WAS IN THE ECSTASY? Also, this sentence is arranged in a way that makes it seem like the marijuana killed her. To provide the information more accurately they should have said, "... but compounding the tragedy was the deadly decision not to make a call to 911 and instead to use marijuana to 'treat' her". Even then it would be bias. Let's also not ignore the fact that the probable reason they didn't call 911 was because of fear of their parent's knowledge of their actions, or legal repercussions (http://www.researchgate.net/publication/7742372_Circumstances_of_witnessed_drug_overdose_in_New_York_City_implications_for_intervention).

Irma was a victim of our society's stunning misinformation about marijuana-a society that has come to believe that marijuana use is not only an individual's free choice but also is good medicine, a cure-all for a variety of ills. A recent poll showed that nearly three-fourths of Americans over the age of 45 support legalizing marijuana for medical use.3
NO GODDAMMIT SHE WAS A VICTIM OF YOUR WAR ON/WITH DRUGS. READ ABOVE DATA. It is their free choice, your lawmakers in the thirties skipped the constitutional process by making possession of drugs illegal, not the use. I FUCKING HOPE THAT SOCIETY THINKS IT'S A GOOD MEDICINE. OH MY FUCKING GOD. I'm not going to link all the sources that say so, but I'll link a page with every source out there, it's time to take out Granny Storm Crow's list. Watch out DEA, because you're swinging with the big dicks now (http://www.letfreedomgrow.com/cmu/Grannys%20List%20July%202012.pdf). I'd believe that 3/4 of Americans over 45 support medical marijuana, I won't argue that. How could you not support it with the overwhelming evidence of its benefits for health?

It's a belief that has filtered down to many of our teens, if what I'm hearing during my visits with middle school and high school students across the country is true. I'm amazed at how well versed in drug legalization these teens are. It is as if legalization advocates stood outside their schools handing out their leaflets of lies. Here is what students have told me about marijuana: "It's natural because it grows in the ground, so it must be good for you." "It must be medicine, because it makes me feel better." "Since everybody says it's medicine, it is."
Goddamn right it has filtered down to many of our teens, I'm fucking thankful for that. So they are well versed in drug legalization, but the proponents of its legalization are "handing out leaflets of lies"?.. Seems like I need to insert the skeptical Willy Wonka meme. Okay these people are quoting the dumbest fucking reasoning that students have used :facepalm: Anyone with a small bit of logic would connect the dots on the whole "good for you because it grows in the ground arguments". The DEA makes drug users out to be neanderthals. Poison ivy good 2 smoke? Yah? Honestly guys, I'll be surprised if I make it through arguing this piece of shit writing without blowing my brains out.

Legalization advocates themselves have alluded to the fact that so-called medical marijuana is a way of achieving wholesale drug legalization. A few years ago, the New York Times interviewed Ethan Nadelmann, director of the Lindesmith Center, a drug policy research center. Responding to criticism that the so-called medical marijuana issue is a stalking horse for drug legalization, Mr. Nadelmann did not disagree. "Will it help lead toward marijuana legalization?" he asked. "I hope so."4
Yep, I hope so too. It would aid the end to the US's enormous prison population epidemic, as well as class warfare (http://hashexpress.wordpress.com/the-hash-express-news-2010/marijuana-prison-statistics/). I believe the DEA is using the biased idea that an all out end to prohibition is bad to argue against the case of medical marijuana. If they're trying to use that argument, Nadelmann still wasn't providing any statistics or data, and he also didn't say he thinks it would happen, he just wishes to. For that though, Nadelmann  :congrats:

The issue of marijuana as medicine has captured the nation's attention and has now made its way to the U. S. Supreme Court, with Ashcroft v. Raich still pending.5 The natural extension of this myth is that, if marijuana is medicine, it must also be safe for recreational use. This pervasive mindset has even reached our courts. In January 2005, for example, Governor Frank Murkowski of Alaska had to ask the legislature "to overrule a court ruling that adult Alaskans have the right to possess marijuana for personal use in their homes."6 There was no pretense of medical use in this ruling; it gave Alaskans the legal right to smoke marijuana for any reason, lending credence to the belief that marijuana is not only safe to treat serious illness but somehow safe for general use and for all society.
Well obviously it must be pretty goddamn reasonable to use marijuana as medicine if the United States Supreme Court is considering a change in federal law. Now you're calling it a myth. Bitch, you can call it a myth and I'll call you Jar Jar Binks because your tongue is in a fucking pod racer IT AIN'T A FUCKING MYTH, MOTHERFUCKER. LOOK AT GRANNY'S LIST. Yes, it's safety profile has led it to be known as one of the best options for a recreational drug on the planet. It's true. It's also pervasive (spreading rapidly), as truth hopefully should be. Bet the DEA is crying now that Alaska is moving towards legalization AGAIN. That's right, the governor signed the initiative to put it on the 2014 ballot, so hopefully in a couple years, Alaskan adults will be enjoying the legal possession of their one ounce or less of cannabis :smile:

What is the antidote? Spreading the truth. As a prominent spokesperson in your community, you have the opportunity and, I would argue, the responsibility to inform your neighbors. America is not suffering from anything that the truth can't cure. To help you set the record straight, this article seeks to rebut the rhetoric and recap the reality.
I do that on a regular basis by being open about my drug use and my ability to be a functioning member of society while using drugs, including but not limited to marijuana. Thanks for the advice though.
I actually think the real reason for this paragraph is to use advanced, but understandable vocabulary in order to make people reading it feel as though they're on the right side by being against medical cannabis, but not using words too complicated as they would make the reader feel ignorant and uninformed. It's psychology :wink:

Myth: Marijuana is medicine.
It's not a myth, I will once again reference Granny's list. Kronos eating all of his children except for Zeus is a myth. God telling Abraham to cut the tip of the dick off of all his kids is a myth. The DEA being good for American life is a myth.

Reality: Smoked marijuana is not medicine.
The scientific and medical communities have determined that smoked marijuana is a health danger, not a cure. There is no medical evidence that smoking marijuana helps patients. In fact, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved no medications that are smoked, primarily because smoking is a poor way to deliver medicine. Morphine, for example has proven to be a medically valuable drug, but the FDA does not endorse smoking opium or heroin.

Note the insertion of the "smoked" marijuana in the statement of apparent reality... It depends what scientific and medical professionals you look at, there has been an extreme amount of conflicting results. I hate to link Fox News, but their article on this study has more understandable wording than the article itself (http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/01/11/marijuana-doesnt-appear-to-harm-lung-function-study-finds/). The FDA has approved no medications that are smoked because of previous European fear of ethnic groups burning herbs in ritual (basically, racism), as well as putting all smoked chemicals in the same group as inhaled tobacco. People actually do inhale medicine in vapor form (a common form of medical marijuana). Think asthma inhalers. The morphine metaphor has to be the shittiest one I've ever seen. First off, mophine is a different chemical than heroin (diacetylmorphine), and opium contains chemicals other than morphine, including codeine and thebaine. Also, the FDA doesn't endorse ANY form of heroin or opium. In some countries, there is medical grade heroin. Not the US.

Congress enacted laws against marijuana in 1970 based in part on its conclusion that marijuana has no scientifically proven medical value, which the U.S. Supreme Court affirmed more than 30 years later in United States v. Oakland Cannabis Buyers' Cooperative, et al., 532 U.S. 483 (2001). Marijuana remains in schedule 1 of the Controlled Substances Act because it has a high potential for abuse, a lack of accepted safety for use under medical supervision, and no currently accepted medical value.7
No. They truly enacted laws against marijuana because Nixon had congress by its balls, and wanted cannabis and psychedelics illegal so that more liberals would be arrested. There is a quote of him saying this. It was population control. There wasn't enough nationwide support or accurate medical journals for Supreme Court to act in favor of marijuana in 2001. No, it remains in schedule 1 because those include the drugs that the federal government likes to use to control its citizens. It doesn't want marijuana because that would mean cheap medicine accessible to everyone, it doesn't want psychedelics because that breaks down barriers in the mind set up by the media, heroin is meant to kill and jail drug users, and crack (although schedule 2) got increased penalties in order to attempt to control the poor population.

The American Medical Association has rejected pleas to endorse marijuana as medicine, and instead urged that marijuana remain a prohibited schedule 1 drug at least until the results of controlled studies are in.8 The National Multiple Sclerosis Society stated that studies done to date "have not provided convincing evidence that marijuana benefits people with MS" and does not recommend it as a treatment.9 Further, the MS Society states that for people with MS "long-term use of marijuana may be associated with significant serious side effects."10
American medical associations, controlled by American pharmaceutical companies and American governing branches :facepalm3:
How about look at the enormous amount of evidence supporting medical use of marijuana rather than simple statements from TWO organizations, both conveniently located within America.

The British Medical Association has taken a similar position, voicing "extreme concern" that downgrading the criminal status of marijuana would "mislead" the public into thinking that the drug is safe to use when, "in fact, it has been linked to greater risk of heart disease, lung cancer, bronchitis, and emphysema."11
There's some diversity! But wait, is that evidence? Nope, just another statement.

In 1999 the Institute of Medicine (IOM) undertook a landmark study reviewing the alleged medical properties of marijuana. Advocates of so-called medical marijuana frequently tout this study, but the study's findings decisively undercut their arguments. In truth, the IOM explicitly found that marijuana is not medicine and expressed concern about patients' smoking it because smoking is a harmful drug-delivery system. The IOM further found that there was no scientific evidence that smoked marijuana had medical value, even for the chronically ill, and concluded that "there is little future in smoked marijuana as a medically approved medication."12 In fact, the researchers who conducted the study could find no medical value to marijuana for virtually any ailment they examined, including the treatment of wasting syndrome in AIDS patients, movement disorders such as Parkinson's disease and epilepsy, or glaucoma.
QUIT FUCKING TALKING ABOUT SMOKED MARIJUANA BEING BAD. THERE ARE SOME STUDIES THAT SAY IT IS, SOME THAT SAY IT'S NOT. IT'S STILL BEING DISPUTED. Too bad it had been shown in other studies to be beneficial for these ailments. Wasting syndrome is when people are losing weight due to a (most likely) terminal disease, marijuana increases appetite and reduces nausea, it not only has been proven, it just makes sense. The epilepsy difference in studies is because there are different levels of active components in different marijuana strains, this means that certain ones will prevent seizures, while others won't do shit. Marijuana is proven to treat the symptoms of glaucoma (http://www.geteyesmart.org/eyesmart/living/medical-marijuana-glaucoma-treament.cfm) but hasn't been proven to cure the disease. Does that mean that you should deny people the right to aleviate the symptoms of their disease just because it can't be cured? No.

The IOM found that THC13 (the primary psychoactive ingredient in marijuana) in smoked marijuana provides only temporary relief from intraocular pressure (IOP) associated with glaucoma and would have to be smoked eight to 10 times a day to achieve consistent results. And there exists another treatment for IOP, as the availability of medically approved once- or twice-a-day eye drops makes IOP control a reality for many patients and provides round-the-clock IOP reduction.14 For two other conditions, nausea and pain, the report recommended against marijuana use, while suggesting further research in limited circumstances for THC but not smoked marijuana.15
For glaucoma, that's what I said above. So, you do realize that nearly all of these studies you provided are biased in favor of pharmaceutical companies and the medical community making money, right? Because obviously your pill factories won't be able to push out a bunch of plant material that smoke.

Before any drug can be marketed in the United States, it must undergo rigorous scientific scrutiny and clinical evaluation overseen by the FDA. For example, the FDA has approved Marinol (dronabinol)-a safe capsule form of synthetic THC that meets the standard of accepted medicine and has the same properties as cultivated marijuana without the high- for the treatment of nausea and vomiting associated with cancer chemotherapy and for the treatment of wasting syndrome in AIDS patients.
Prime example of marijuana not being supported unless money can be made off of it :facepalm3:

The federal government has approved and continues to approve research into the possible use of marijuana as medicine and any new delivery systems of marijuana's active ingredients. To quote U.S. Supreme Court Justice Stephen Breyer's remarks during the November 2004 Raich oral argument, "Medicine by regulation is better than medicine by referendum."16 Proving that the regulatory process does work, DEA has registered every researcher who meets FDA standards to use marijuana in scientific studies. Since 2000, for example, the California-based Center for Medicinal Cannabis Research (CMCR) has gained approval for 14 trials using smoked marijuana in human beings and three trials in laboratory and animal models.17 This CMCR research is the first effort to study the medical efficacy of marijuana. But researchers have not endorsed smoking marijuana and instead are attempting to isolate marijuana's active ingredients to develop alternative delivery systems to smoking.18 Not one of these researchers has found scientific proof that smoke marijuana is medicine.
Yes, the regulatory process works but it works very, very, very slowly and with way too much control by governing forces. FUCKING SHUT UP ABOUT SMOKED MARIJUANA. These fucking weed pills are making me uneasy man. The same idea turned opium into codeine, morphine, oxycodone, and others and also turned a shit ton of Americans into prescription painkiller addicts and overdose victims, as well as put a shit ton of money in the pockets of the FDA and pharm companies.

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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: frostynostrils]
    #18457391 - 06/22/13 07:13 PM (3 years, 5 months ago)

The section about the supposed harms of marijuana is absurd and just shows how safe weed is- even when they try to smear it, they have nothing to work with. Stupid article all around, although stuffing marihuana leaves in the girl's mouth was sort of funny. Sad that she died but still funny.


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: bukkake]
    #18540884 - 07/10/13 09:27 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Myth: Legalization of marijuana in other countries has been a success.

Reality: Liberalization of drug laws in other countries has often resulted in higher use of dangerous drugs.




Ten Years After Decriminalization, Drug Abuse Down by Half in Portugal:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/07/05/ten-years-after-decriminalization-drug-abuse-down-by-half-in-portugal/


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: ninetynine]
    #18546118 - 07/11/13 11:45 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

pretty disgusting.


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Re: News from the DEA: Marijuana: The Myths Are Killing Us [Re: snoot]
    #18560184 - 07/15/13 03:24 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

This INFURIATES me on so many different levels. I want to spew but I will spare my fellow shroomerites. The DEA operates on GREED, RACISM, POWER and FEAR. And yet Alcohol and Cigarettes, the epitomes of nasty drugs, remain COMPLETELY LEGAL.


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