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OfflineCaptainCrunch
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1000 Gram Shroom Project
    #4603849 - 08/31/05 03:29 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I Havent posted in a while, ive been fairly busy, but i have an extra five hundred laying around so i decided to invest in a shroom project.. My goal is a 1000 grams dry, my question is, dose five hundred dollars complete my goal.. Also would the pf tek be the best way to go, or is there another tek that fruits more abundently.. Just wondering thanks


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4603868 - 08/31/05 03:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Go with poo or at least hay or straw, you get bigger flushes more potent and bigger fruits, I like Wild bird seed the best and then use it to spawn to poo.
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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4603869 - 08/31/05 03:33 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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My goal is a 1000 grams dry...

Also would the pf tek be the best way to go, or is there another tek that fruits more abundently.. Just wondering thanks




LOL, you'll need a SHITLOAD of PF jars for 1000g! :lol:

Speaking of shitloads, go with one of the horse poo teks. :thumbup: You'll reach your goal a little faster. :smirk:


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4603876 - 08/31/05 03:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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dose five hundred dollars complete my goal




You will get out alot cheaper than that if you read up on the teks on this site!


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: FooMan]
    #4604047 - 08/31/05 04:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

fuken crap dude!!!!1000GS!!!!!!!!!

ya id say wbs/and poo


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: myCo_psyCo]
    #4604118 - 08/31/05 04:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

$500.00 make a 1000 grams. sure and then some. definitely you would have to go bulk to achieve your goal, pf cakes would take along time or way too many damn cakes to reach 1000 g's.
rye or wbs to poo
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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: myCo_psyCo]
    #4604122 - 08/31/05 04:51 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ive just completed an equipment binge similar to what youre undertaking. Basically mine has three main components: Martha fruiting chamber, TiT incubation, and a pro glove box (has a fan). One of my friends helped me out by "providing" most of the expensive equipment (humidifier, shelves, food dehydrator, digital thermometer, etc) so i didnt have to pay much, but I kept tabs on the price. It would have run me about 300$ or so retail if id actually bought any of it, but if you shop smart you might be able to do it for less. I'm spawning rye to h/poo.


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4604573 - 08/31/05 07:18 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You don't need $500 dollars to accomplish this, unless of course you have to pay for horse manure. Learn to master WBS in quart jars, spawn them to horse poo in large mono or double tubs at a minimum of 20 LBS. hydrated per tub, and case the poo. If you get these simple techniques down, 1000 grams might come faster than you think.


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: Holydiver]
    #4607328 - 09/01/05 10:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

sorry i didnt respond... But i am currently ordering 10, 10cc syringes from ralphsters spores.. Is this enough spore solution or should i order more.. also about how many tits will i need? It would be really nice if someone could help me come up with some legistics thank you for helping out i beilive i will go wbs to bulk...


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4607337 - 09/01/05 10:21 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know your experience level, but someone used to make nearly 100 dried pounds with a syringe...You are working too hard...

Just knock up 12 quarts of wbs with a syringe...transfer to bags or half gallons...etc...knock up some straw with it, and be done with it...2.2 lbs isn't all that hard to grow..


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: Enlil]
    #4607345 - 09/01/05 10:27 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Read the 2 sticky links at the top of the page. 1/4cc of spore solution is all you need for 1000 kilos dried, if you use a LC.
It is legal to grow where I am, if I wanted 1000g I would definitely grow sclerotia.


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: blackout]
    #4607363 - 09/01/05 10:40 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

1000 grams is just a bench mark... Its hard to believe 12 quarts jars and a syringe is all i need to grow near and around 1000 g, but I'm going for a pretty large scale project so that i can continuously produce about 1000 1500 gs a month.. anyway thanks for the help anymore help would be appreciated thanks..


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4607411 - 09/01/05 11:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

12 quart jars is the start...

You only need one of them to germinate and grow healthy...shit...to make 1000 grams, you only need one bale of straw...not even that..which is 80 lbs dry....

Look, 1000 grams is 2.2 lbs...to get 2.2 lbs, you need about 30 lbs wet...so, you plan on growing 30 lbs...

You could do this with 8 square feet, but I would use 16 just to cover your ass...so, get 16 square feet of trays, or whatever your container of choice is....you will fill them 6 or 8 inches deep...so, you will need between 8 and 11 cubic feet....about a half bale will do...40 lbs dry weight...so if you have 8 lb wet weight of spawn...that is plenty...but I would keep it all one strain...

SO...to do this, knock up 12 jars...the best looking one...transfer to 10 half gallon jars...(550G wbs, 350G water)...this will make about 22 lbs of spawn...pick the best 4 or 5 of these and spawn it to straight straw (no poo required....) cover with plastic (lots of holes)...but only for a couple of days (with this much spawn, it gets hot)...then open the top...it should be ready for casing within 5 days of spawning...case lightly...I prefer water crystals and verm, but almost everyone on this board disagrees with me...

Of course, during the spawn run, it has to be in your growroom/chamber/terrarium...whatever you have...

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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: Enlil]
    #4607421 - 09/01/05 11:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That's serious enlil


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: mskip23]
    #4607424 - 09/01/05 11:11 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yeah...well..there was a time when I was heavily into the hobby


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: mskip23]
    #4607429 - 09/01/05 11:14 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

water crystals?


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: mskip23]
    #4607437 - 09/01/05 11:18 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Yes...it is a polymer that holds massive amount of water...You can buy them at a lot of garden supply places...


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: Enlil]
    #4607624 - 09/01/05 12:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

:handth: :handth: :handth:




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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: swiftrance]
    #4607993 - 09/01/05 01:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

The only problem is, i dont have that much space... i got a six by maybe six foot space... But it looks very intresting, do have any more pictures of the process it self? also about how long did it take you to grow 1000 grams from the start to finish... Very nice though, How much money did you end up spending and will it exceed my budget, if so i can get more just how much more?


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4608010 - 09/01/05 02:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

My room was 720 Square feet...

16 square feet is only a 4 foot by 4 foot area...you could even make yourself 1 super tray out of 2x8 and plywood...total cost of the tray would be less than $40...but it would be heavy...I would go with rubbermaid trays..the ones I used were 2 sq feet each...you could easily get 8 of those in a 6x6 area...

You can't do it overnight...bit it can be done in 2 months from multispore inoculation to drying the last flush...

I am, of course, assuming that you are growing legal gourmet mushrooms...As I did....I don't want to leave anyone with the impression that I had 720 square feet of a controlled substance, or that I have ever been in possession of any controlled substance...


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: Enlil]
    #4608051 - 09/01/05 02:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"I am, of course, assuming that you are growing legal gourmet mushrooms..."
You know as much as i do... Anyway thanks for the help looks like i got lots of reading and alot of work to do... any other suggestions would be great thanks...


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4611785 - 09/02/05 10:50 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Ive been thinking alot about the supplies I'm going to get, i don't know if this is right or if there are any better suggestions.. A six by six green house that should fit snug in the closet, a hepa air purifier that dose 3 air exchange per hour for a room up to 200 square feet, a humidifier and 8 55 gallon sterlite containers a 100 lb barrel of wheat straw, a bag of rye berries, 10 syringes from ralphsters spore's and ten different strains... And i already have the incubator... For now i think that's about it.. any suggestions on what else i should buy and if i should change something would be greatly appreciated.. thanks


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4611838 - 09/02/05 11:30 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I would lose the hepa if you intend to put it in the grow chamber...it will clog with spores fast...if you intend to have the hepa taking air from outside the chamber and blowing clean air in, that works, but you will never be able to keep humidity that way...

My suggestion...for what its worth...is to keep it simple...sure, you need air exchange, but you don't need to get crazy...if you have 200 cubic feet of air, and only 10 cubic feet of substrate, you will have more slack in terms of air exchange...I would manually exchange the air if I were you...

In a closet system, the more air exchange you deal with, the more humid air you will have to exhaust somewhere...that will have to be outside...don't underestimate the amount of humidity it can fill your house with...

If you are concerned about co2, buy this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Telaire-Ventostat-80...1QQcmdZViewItem
And you will need this as well:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Telaire-1551-NEMA-En...1QQcmdZViewItem

It has a relay that you can set to trigger a fan at a specific ppm if you want..also, you can read the co2 level in real time from your computer...I loved mine...

Don't get too hung up on air exchange though...humidity is much more important...and when you get a room that size, it is harder to keep, plus it recovers slower...

I made my own humidifier...you can see it in one of my pictures...you don't need anything that big, but you can use the principal if you want...basically a fan on a rubbermaid container...inside the container, is an ultrasonic fogger and a float valve to keep the container full of water...

I don't know what your thinking is, but getting 10 different strains to start with is unwise...it will take you several crop cycles to perfect what you are doing...lots of tweaking...etc...changing strains is only going to complicate that...but that is up to you..


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4611891 - 09/02/05 12:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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The only problem is, i dont have that much space... i got a six by maybe six foot space...



Sclerotia is THE way to go in a small area for high yeild and very low maintenance. You can just pile bags on top of each other.
heres some info
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/474885/an/0/page/0

Why would you bother with 10 different strains?


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: blackout]
    #4611911 - 09/02/05 12:27 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Enil can you go into more detail about what those are i have no clue what so ever how to apply that to what my plan was but id like to if you could explain it more, this is what my plan was put a 6 by 6 foot green house in my sis by six foot closet, should fit snug, then stack a 55 gallon contains on top of shelves built inside the green house, then put a humidifier in the green house, and a hep air purifier blowing pure clean air inside.. But if there is a better set up for bulk projects please explain in detail what i need to buy and why and how to do it, I'm sorry for asking so much id just like to stuff my head with a plan before i start buying stuff.. thanks


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4611920 - 09/02/05 12:31 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

black out what is sclerotia exsactly i started readin but it didnt exsactly tell me what it was


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4611946 - 09/02/05 12:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4611951 - 09/02/05 12:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

You have to wait more than 8 minutes before expecting a response. Why don't you do a search for sclerotia and find out yourself?


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4611961 - 09/02/05 12:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

look, blowing clean, filtered air into the chamber doesn't do shit unless the old air escapes...so you need to have a place to make it escape too...

Air exchange is needed to maintain co2 levels..that is why you do it...if you are concerned about co2 levels, those links are for devices to monitor co2...

I think it is making something simple overly complicated though...you are talking about a small chamber...here is what I would do:

1. Outfit the chamber with shelves, etc...get that going...
2. Put a humidifier in there (preferably with some sort of controller)
3. Put a thermometer in there so you can monitor temps...

I would do all of this NOW...before you put anything in it...get an idea of where the temps stay, plus how your humidity is hanging...When you put your goodies in there, it will get warmer, but with that subtrate to air ratio, it shouldn't go too crazy..

Once you fill the chamber, just fan it out a couple of times a day...you won't know how the co2 levels are without a device, but if you are worried, fan it a little more...

Don't even try to get 3 air exchanges an hour in the room...


Now, if you are dead set on creating optimum conditions, you have no choice but to make it more complicated...this will require (among other things) A humidistat, exhaust port, hepa positive pressurization, a prehumidifier...Don't bother with that stuff...You will spend a lot of money for very little result...


My advice in a nutshell:

1. Do not buy multiple strains
2. Use straight pasteurized straw
3. Use wbs for spawn.
4. Don't overcomplicate your chamber
5. Use verm/water crystal casing
6. Buy low, sell high.


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: Enlil]
    #4611980 - 09/02/05 12:58 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

"1. Do not buy multiple strains
2. Use straight pasteurized straw
3. Use wbs for spawn.
4. Don't overcomplicate your chamber
5. Use verm/water crystal casing
6. Buy low, sell high. "

I disagree with all of these but 3 and 4.

Good luck with your project..


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4611988 - 09/02/05 01:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Hey scat, im sorry about the problems we've had in the past but i would like to hear what you have to say about the project? if you have any suggestiongs


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4612009 - 09/02/05 01:09 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Our problems in the past have nothing to do with me not helping you. Reading that you want to start growing to make a living, and sell them at 20 bucks a gram, is what makes me not want to help you. Not to mention, while 500 bucks is PLENTY to grow thousands and thousands of grams..your knowledge isnt. You need to get a martha, and hook it up and start filling it up with bulk (poo). If you need to ask where to go from here..then your not ready to go there from here and you need to work your way up. Read the martha thread and set it up just like that, then read agars posts and fill it with poo in tubs like he does his fridge. There are numerous logs and much info on this site from multiple people on how to grow large amounts.. How do you grow 1000 grams? Same way you grow 100 grams, but do it 10 times.


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4612032 - 09/02/05 01:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Scat i have absolutely no clue what your talking about.. in the other thread i was makeing suggestions, and the 1000 g are for me... so think what you want but thanks for the advice


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4612153 - 09/02/05 01:43 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

>i have absolutely no clue what your talking about

"lets say you do a bulk project every month and a half with a goal of 1000 dried grams, by the way that's about 100 - 500 dollars worth or time and materials.. Now you sell a g anywhere from 10 - 20 dollars that's means your total revenue will range from 10 - 20 thousand dollars.. let's say you grow to 10,000 g's that's anywhere from 100,000 to 200,000 dollars... Don't tell me theres not money to be made, there is a huge amount of money to be made"

I am talking about this. You are thinking of how you can make money from shrooms. BAD idea in my opinion and I will not help someone who thinks along the lines of the above paragraph. Even at 10 bucks a gram, your still selling lots of bags, and at 280 bucks a zip..a fucking ripoff.

And by the way, its only about 100 bucks in materials one time, then another 25 maybe every new grew...so people are paying thousands of dollars to you for your time and risk. Not fair, in my opinion.


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4612156 - 09/02/05 01:44 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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the 1000 g are for me... 




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I'm going for a pretty large scale project so that i can continuously produce about 1000 1500 gs a month





:rofl2:

Have you built up a bit of a tolerance or something?


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Re: 1000 Gram Shroom Project [Re: CaptainCrunch]
    #4612252 - 09/02/05 02:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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