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Invisibleyousuck
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Oat grown
    #4603583 - 08/31/05 02:15 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Grew some cambodians on crimped oats (horse feed) because of the popular myth going around that tryptophan levels increase potentcy.

trpyto levels/100g

oats----------234
buckwheat-----192
rye-----------154
milo(sorghum)-124
millet--------119
BR------------100

as you can see, under this theory mushrooms grown off of oats would be 2x as potent as ones grown off of birdseed. Having taken 5g's of birdseen grown cambodians before, i decided to take 5g's of my oat grown. While these did fruit better and more often than the WBS, they still did fruit very poorly compared to ones grown off of manure. The trip itself wasn't any stronger than the WBS, if anything, it was weaker.

Apparently like most other lifeform, the mushrooms can only use so much tryptophan, and while this doesn't completely throw the tryptophan myth out the door, its is just another pebble in the eventually mountain of evidence that will dispell this myth.


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Re: Oat grown [Re: yousuck]
    #4603703 - 08/31/05 02:57 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

:cool:

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Re: Oat grown [Re: yousuck]
    #4603758 - 08/31/05 03:09 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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yousuck said:

trpyto levels/100g

oats----------234
buckwheat-----192
rye-----------154
milo(sorghum)-124
millet--------119
BR------------100






Quinoa has 1.1 GRAMS, not milligrams of tryptophan per 100g. Try quinoa before you knock tryptophan. I noticed a BIG difference in my experiments with it compared to other grains. Poo still blows all grains away. Most likely because of the "N" in it, which seems to have much better effects on potency than tryptophans do.


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Re: Oat grown [Re: ThumpaCap]
    #4603763 - 08/31/05 03:10 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I have heard it said it may increase potency, but I have never seen claims of double the trypophan meaning double the potency. You say they were crimped oats, does that mean they were broken? if they were starch would have been let out which is supposed to hinder rhizo growth.

I wouldnt call it a myth, maybe an unproven theory at worst. Trips are very subjective, if it was comparing the potency of beer it would be pretty obvious, but so many factors come into a trip. How soon after your last trip did you try the oat shrooms? could there have been a tolerance build up.

I am currently growing out 2 jars of wheat, one with blood (high in tryptophan and nitrogen) and the other straight wheat. Grown side by side, with the same LC. I will give doses in bags marked a and b to friends and see if they notice a difference. Problem is many havent tripped in ages and will probably have a tolerance. A good sign would be if they reported the second dose stronger.


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Re: Oat grown [Re: blackout]
    #4603901 - 08/31/05 03:42 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

maybe one could do a pf tek with quinoa flour...or something.....  is this usually sold in health food stores??

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Re: Oat grown [Re: ThumpaCap]
    #4603927 - 08/31/05 03:49 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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ThumpaCap said:
maybe one could do a pf tek with quinoa flour...or something..... is this usually sold in health food stores??







Quinoa is sold in health food stores and you can grind it with a coffee grinder to make flour. I do it all the time.


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Re: Oat grown [Re: yousuck]
    #4656617 - 09/13/05 09:04 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I did a mix of brf and quinoa of about 20/80 20% being quinoa, and every single person that tried them said they were better than anything they'd ever had before. . .by far. I'm trying one jar right now with fully quinoa and verm *pftek, and the rest 50/50 so if anyone wants to know how they turned out, just mail me. My last bunch were insane though, they'd turn BLUE/green within a minute of being cut near thebase, and not just the edge, the whole mushroom was just solid blue at the cut point.


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Re: Oat grown [Re: Smashedup]
    #4656688 - 09/13/05 09:27 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

i have mine just the opposite, 20/80, but 80% quinoa. it's my first grow and considering how my jars are doing i expect full colonization in 14-16 days(i'm at day 11) and i guess that's pretty good. even if the tryptophan levels do nothing for potency, quinoa is more nutrient rich that most other substrates. all i can say is it has worked so far. i am really anxious to see how potent they are.
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Re: Oat grown [Re: swingline]
    #4656784 - 09/13/05 09:54 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Glad to hear about people trying new substrates.

Hating to hear their scientific methods.

To many variables to consider...If you can't scientifically measure the chemicals, then You're "proof" is out the window...Not saying that you're trying to prove anything :wink:

Anyways, Good luck :thumbup:

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Re: Oat grown [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4656799 - 09/13/05 10:00 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I use my paws for scientific measurements :smile:


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Re: Oat grown [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4656822 - 09/13/05 10:05 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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IGnosticAbhorI said:
Glad to hear about people trying new substrates.

Hating to hear their scientific methods.






you should read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" if you have not. i never thought scientific method would be part of a spiritual endeavor (which is how i see mycology when used to produce "magic" mushrooms), but i damn sure like it


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Re: Oat grown [Re: swingline]
    #4657253 - 09/13/05 11:48 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

I know Paul Stamets certainly thinks Tryptophan is an important nutrient for increasing the potency of Psilocybe's......


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