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    #4601712 - 08/31/05 01:16 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I have $400 dollars - 45 for spores so 360 and a room that is 8 feet wide x 4 1/2 feet deep x 6 ft high what would be the best use of my money and space to make MAX rooms all going to be grown on hpoo with cracked corn spawn or wbs

either a full room green house like scatmarv has or a few marth stewarts... add ur info please


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Re: my room [Re: mushr00mhead420]
    #4601794 - 08/31/05 01:37 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

U are a newbie. Mushroom cultivation is HARD. It is complex and has tons of variables in which to go wrong. Growing mushrooms from spores is to building a circuit board from scratch(soldering and all). The easiest way, and basically the only way for you to dream about ever succeeding in your plan would be this.

You would have to order a good amount of MYCOBAGS and obviously a lot more then one syringe for spores. You then could order some pasteurized 50/50 mix of horse poo and straw. After all the myco bags colonized(you would need as many mycobags as you would need for Rubbermaid containers full of horse poo mix) you place one or you could use half of one and put in the horse poo bin. Of course using half of a mycobag would make it more likely for the Rubbermaid container to become contaminated. With luck most of your Rubbermaid containers would go well and you would have multiple flushes from the mushies.

Of course you could use a martha and make a bunch of trays yourself from the poo instead (same idea though). If you are a newbie though, the first plan is easier if you get a contamination problem. It should be pretty foolproof if you use the mycobags. It is way easy to go wrong with jars that you make yourself.

Good luck, I would read everything I could on casing on the main site for any chance of success with your project. You could also buy a used all american pressure cooked on ebay $100 and scout free horse poo in your area. Of course this adds another step for you to royally screw up on (if you are like me you always screw up the first time) which is either overcooking or undercooking the horse poo. This would lead to contamination probelms with your casings. You would have to pratice possibly to get this right. Or hey maybe you actually get things the first time?

Man making mushrooms is like cooking a new dish, it always tastes like shit the first couple times you make it. Only after a few times it actually tastes good. Well at least if you are going to try it the purist way;spore print to spore syringe to pressure cooked jars to horse poo casings. This is way more complex then it sounds with tons of ways to royally screw up. The spore print to spore syringe has to be done pretty precisely or your screwed for the rest of the project.

The way I said above is the easiest way to do what you want todo. Otherwise if this is your first time I can't see how you would ever be able to accomplish your goal. Of course you still would fail miserably if you don't read about casings and attempt to case. Good luck on your project and possibly start on a small scale before attempting anything.

If you don't know also the plan I suggested at top, each rubbermaid container would most likely result in several ounces of mushrooms from several flushes. With the extend of using 10-20 containers as the room size would suggest would result in several pounds of mushrooms. Ask yourself this question; do I need pounds of mushrooms?


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Re: my room [Re: Fluxburn]
    #4602106 - 08/31/05 03:08 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

lol..on the upside, if he going with marta's hes got alot of pans to get practace on to get it all right..lol


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Re: my room [Re: Fluxburn]
    #4602125 - 08/31/05 03:17 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

wow, way to discourage a person Fluxburn! j/p The man has a point however, if you really are a noob ya need to read... a lot. No amount of money in the world is going to make you a better cultivator.

$$$ does not equal Success

Also, this hobby has a lot to do with ingenuity. Find a method that works for you, and work off of that... be it martha's, tubs, whatever. I wouldn't tell you to go buy a bunch of martha closets if you weren't at least somewhat familiar with working with em.


Edited by evolmachine (08/31/05 03:18 AM)


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Re: my room [Re: evolmachine]
    #4602154 - 08/31/05 03:27 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

ive got off some good fruits now after alot of studying. along the way i buikt a golden hammer. it cost me alot of money to make and it was really cool... but rubbermaid did it alot cheaper.
now ive been teaching a friend how to do it. no matter how much i explain that plexiglass sucks, he insists on building his own golden hammer. go cheap and read everything you can.


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Re: my room [Re: mushr00mhead420]
    #4602171 - 08/31/05 03:33 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Hey I'm a mod here and all but that size room screams   :grin:


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Re: my room [Re: Magash]
    #4602180 - 08/31/05 03:36 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Hey I'm a mod here and all but that size room screams   :grin:




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Re: my room [Re: evolmachine]
    #4602182 - 08/31/05 03:36 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

hey man, he should be discouraged. It's a huge undertaking that I don't think he can or should do. Hope this isn't offensive, I had somebody knock some sense into me when I was a beginner.

Start small, have some idea what you are doing, then take some time off and think about how much you value your personal freedom and what it's worth to you in $.

Only then should you consider the task you are thinking of.

Aside from the seriousness of the risk you are considering, there are many variables that you can't possiblly consider, plan for, or be told about in this thread. You just have to do it to know what's involved.

Example, the space you are talking about, in the hands of a skilled cultivator, produce over 20 dry pounds of mushrooms a month. That's 200 fresh pounds. How you gonna dry that much? Where you gonna dry that much? Do you have any idea how much time it takes to harvest and clean that much?

I commend you for your ambition, but you are going a little overboard. Ambition is good. A single martha would be incredibly ambitious for a newbie, why not start there?


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Re: my room [Re: mycofile]
    #4602325 - 08/31/05 04:37 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Well see if i look to this forum for any help... FUCKING PRICK ASS FUCKS.... i have read for about 2 yrs on the subject dont two trials and processed and ounce outta a casing that was experement... then i have been reading on martha's and shit for a long ass time... and i have lots of knowledge with heating and air built my own flow hood with a blower out of a heater and a hepa filter.... wow.... you know what all i have to say is you all are the biggest prick fucks i have met on this forum.... thank god i know there is some nice people out there too.... i was just tryin to get a few opinions from some other people on how i should spend it EVENTHOUGH i already pretty much have my plan locked out... just wanted a few alt. opinions on the matter... but since i just got a buncha bullshit back i just go about my own plan.... i hope you all dont go around these forums just doing this to everyone that makes a post like that because that is not the point of these forums... they are a learning tool so get up and grow up and just add opinion and if its going to be something dickheaded dont even fucking post it.... and let you know i had one grow my last one first poo attempt had 20 casings in a plexi glass room that grew 10 ounces off the first flushes but since i hadda go away on vac. it was all cobweb mold mush when i came back... so dont think that i am a n00b in any sort... just a person looking for some suggestions.... Now for the rest of the people out there that doesn't want to be fowl about this post... i am setting up three martha stewarts each 4 1/2 H x 2 1/2 deep x 3 1/2 wide.... and putting a vick cool mist humid. on each set up with pvc induction and hepa filter continueos air flow... using 12 v computer fans to suck air threw 3 inch duct work that i made at my fathers metal shop... the box is going to made out of a small sterlite storage tub with filter on one side and fan to duct on other... i am going to use 55 gallon storage tubs for with 2 liter bomb heaters made with fish tank heaters to use as incubators one for jars/casings one for sole casings... i also have a fridge taht i got off my dad that i am going to use just for cold shocking the casings before putting them into fruiting chambers... 12 hr cold shock.... my spawn substrate will either be cracked corn which i will soak for 24 hrs then simmer then strain then pc then inoculate with spores that i got of my prints :laugh: and if dont use that which was what i used before i will try wbs... which i do know how to clean properly... then i will spawn 1 gallon tub casings that are 75% h/poo 10% verm and 15% worm castings... then i will case with 50/50 verm peat with calcium carbonate.... THANKS FOR TELLING ME I DIDNT KNOW SHIT.... now if anyone would like to add in some more ideas to my plan that ISNT going to be an ass about it please do i am open for the opinions which was the whole reason i started the post anyone.... O YA bad feedback mean ne thing to you guys?


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Re: my room [Re: mushr00mhead420]
    #4602828 - 08/31/05 10:27 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Dood 14 posts makes us think you are a total newbie. Still why are you asking what todo if you read a bunch and have already made a casing? You can make a crapload of mushies easily then. Just make 20 casings and build a martha. Don't get all mad, dood I have 1,000+ posts. I read a shitload about everything on this site and have read tons about stuff. When I see 14 posts I am going to try to scare the living piss out of you sorry.

First time I tried my eyes where huge and I ended up growing several ounces of mushrooms which I didn't need. I actually stopped production because I had too many and didn't know what todo with them. I went to a party with a ounce and everyone got high and I gave a ounce to a friend. I did a half ounce to myself and then I ended up throwing away a few ounces and could have had a few more ounces from a couple more flushes. So whatever dood, your post reminds me of being a retarded kid wanting mushrooms and going way out of his league and having more then what todo with.

Hey dood be careful dealing a mushrooms to the entire area. Jail sucks big time bro.


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Re: my room [Re: mushr00mhead420]
    #4602853 - 08/31/05 10:34 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Look, angry man...they are being realistic...

If you want to up your scale, you need equipment and several skills...believe me...if you want to take a room that big and do something with it for $400, you are dreaming...I have set up rooms 10x10 and 20x20...and even with $10k to invest, it took over a year to get a decent flush...

No one is saying you can't do it, but if you want to accomplish this, you need to do the following things:

1. Get good at growing mycelium....not okay...good...I mean lots of it...you need to have a contam ratio with WBS or Rye, or whatever you want to use of less than 10%...if you are higher than that, expect to work your ass off for very little reward...
2. Fail and Fail again....learn everything you can from failures...Growing on a large scale is nothing like growing on a small scale..period...
3. Be prepare to fail when you first succeed...the first time you have 300lbs wet in a flush, be prepared to be overwhelmed with the rest of the process...and also be prepared to screw that crop up when you flush it...

This is not a simple matter of tossing something together...and I am not talking out of my ass...If you really want to do something like this, it takes more than a couple of books and $400...

On a side note...WTF are you doing posting the size of room you want to outfit on this board? That alone tells me that you are destined to fail or wind up in a room for which you have no key.

Just my 2cents


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Re: my room [Re: mushr00mhead420]
    #4602867 - 08/31/05 10:44 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Everyone....Chilllll

Well, he does know something about mush cult from reading that awfully long paragraph.

Not that I don't respect and stand behind what mycofile and flux has said. It's just that now and then, there are newbies around here that come in and say this type of thing and are too pumped up, and want to grow BIG BULK grows right from the start.



So on to your post.... I'd like to help a little if I can. I recommend you reading some posts by scatmanrav. He has had great success with his grows in a closet. You could turn that room into a grow room much like his closet.

So take a look at his thread from a while back on Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber

Good luck man. and I hope you succeed and share some awesome pics with us.


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Re: my room [Re: Fluxburn]
    #4603039 - 08/31/05 11:48 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Dood 14 posts makes us think you are a total newbie.




You shouldn't judge people by the amount of posts they have. I have older friends that have been growing longer than I have been alive that do not come here. If they started to today, they would have a small post count, doesn't mean they don't know what they are doing.

there are people on here that have 10k posts that have never grown mushies.

I think you are being a little hard on the guy.

Whether he is a noob or not, there are better ways to help him out or answer his questions. This thread has turned into a flame war, over a simple question.

setting up a whole grow room is a huge undertaking for anyone, noob or not. $400 isn't a lot to work with, but he can at least get started on setting something up like getting shelving installed in there to hold mycobags, or a temp control system.

I think everyone just jumped down his throat a little harshly.

and he never said anything about wanting to grow massive amounts of mushies...and if he does, that's his decision to make.

heheh I've never had to throw out mushies and have never had a problem finding people to take free oz's of mushies off my hands....hehe usually my problem is not having enough to give away. They are usually all gone in a matter of minutes.


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Re: my room [Re: srgtm1a]
    #4603076 - 08/31/05 11:54 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I HATE LONG PARAGRAPHS! I HATE RUN ON SENTENCES ALSO!

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Re: my room [Re: dopeheaddave]
    #4603335 - 08/31/05 12:58 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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I HATE LONG PARAGRAPHS! I HATE RUN ON SENTENCES ALSO!

good luck!




Yep, and I also hate people who bitch and call other people names because they tried to explain how much work your looking at. Reading aint nothing, thats not gonna let you know how much work you have. Once you get the process down, a small closet like mine, not even a room, will take 40 hours out of your week. A room double the size, another 20..and thats once youve done the process a few dozen times. If you really have read that much then youd have a better idea of what your going to do and you wouldnt have posted a very generalized "I have all this money and a room, what do I do" what the fuck kind of responses did you expect? You should have your plans all laid out, and you should have posted them, if you wanted other ideas..if you have no idea where to start, then they are right and you are to new. If you had an idea of where to start, you should have posted a hell of alot more about it to begin with so people know what the fuck is going on. What you think were fucking mind readers? Good luck dick...


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Re: my room [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4603348 - 08/31/05 01:03 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't care for it much either. That's why we won't be seeing him till tommorow. (hopefully never)


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Re: my room [Re: Magash]
    #4603508 - 08/31/05 01:47 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

just wanted to touch on what Fluxburn said. If you get caught growing that many mushrooms there is no plea bargaining to the D.A that's guaranteed jail time and not just a little so be VERY CAREFUL! I do though wish you the best of luck. I have been in jail over night once and it was enough for me, jail is NOT cool!


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Re: my room [Re: WhiteBunny]
    #4603522 - 08/31/05 01:55 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Man take it easy on this guy man, this is what shroomery cult is all about is asking questions, I hate seeing people attacked.


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Re: my room [Re: mushr00mhead420]
    #4603558 - 08/31/05 02:06 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Mushroomhead, in your first post you said you were spending $45 on spores and had the rest for your grow room. Your next post states that you are using spores from previous prints. I smell... :poop:

People are trying to help you and telling you "good luck" and your going to call them pricks and threaten "feedback". Get over yourself.

Who's the REAL prick?


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Re: my room [Re: djsage420]
    #4603567 - 08/31/05 02:09 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Man take it easy on this guy man, this is what shroomery cult is all about is asking questions, I hate seeing people attacked.




Nobody attacked him until he started ranting and raving in his second post. He could have said something like "hey, I'm not a newb and here is my plan. How would you improve it?" Not be a fucking idiot.


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