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 NESpores
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 Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? 
#4585364 - 08/26/05 08:19 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Phalaris arundinacea and related species are kown for containing high ammounts of DMT and related chemicals...
Could growing on Phalaris straw increase potency?
I dont see why it wouldn't work, UNLESS, the DMT and such breaks down or something during sterilization (because of the high heat) but if i remember corectly, DMT compounds are pretty stable.
Correct me if Im wrong, and sorry if this goes into advanced cultivation.
But yeah, I think this would be amazing if it worked, ya know?
Im planting a shitload of P. arundinacea (trying to replace parts of my lawn  ) so Ill have a pretty good source.
Any and all comments/questions loved!
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Re: Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? [Re: NESpores]
#4585387 - 08/26/05 08:25 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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phalaris is grass right? not hay..i could be wrong..also i dont think it would work. I dont any reason why not other then when i have seen similar posts to this it always turns out it wont work. besides i think if it could be done it would have been done by now...but again i could be wrong
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 Prisoner#1
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Re: Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? [Re: kingfish4200]
#4585432 - 08/26/05 08:41 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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actual hay consists of grass, weeds and what ever is in a pasture, straw is often
referd to as hay. grasses arent as absorbent and due to more surface area it dries
out faster, hay simply sucks
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MagicalMystery
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Re: Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? [Re: NESpores]
#4585752 - 08/26/05 10:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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compost it
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NESpores
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Re: Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#4591035 - 08/28/05 01:37 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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not to be a dick, but you do realise that hay isn't usually straw...
Straw (in the US) is more expensive because it is a specific type of grass (i dont know the botanical name).
Hay on the other hand, is any type of grass growing in some random ass field that has been cut down and dried when it is going to seed.
How can you say grasses arent as absorbent when hay IS grass?
but back on topic.
Phalaris is a very common pasture grass, as it is very nutritious, for cows and stuff anyway.
The reason that it isn't cut and bailed for hay is because it grows rampant in swampy/damp areas, and most 150 some odd acre fields aren't very damp because you *can't* drive a tractor through msuhy soil.
I dont see why stropharia cubensis (yes, I consider them in the stropharia genus) couldn't be grown on phalaris, but all i want to know is will the DMT and such break down during sterilisation?
Theoretically, if it's still there, there isn't any reaosn the potency shouldn't be increased.
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Edited by MyLady (08/28/05 01:42 PM)
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? [Re: NESpores]
#4591272 - 08/28/05 02:55 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
MyLady said:
not to be a dick, but you do realise that hay isn't usually straw...
Straw (in the US) is more expensive because it is a specific type of grass (i dont know the botanical name).
I am well aware of what hay is, I said that whats often refered to as hay is actualy straw, it's usualy wheat straw, I own a farm, here's a few pics to give you an idea
my tractor and a view across my pastures, I sell the hay from them, $35 a bale
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/prisoner1/DSC01132.jpg
Some folks just dont believe unless you prove it to them
another pic of the tractor, dont click it if you dont like boobs
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How can you say grasses arent as absorbent when hay IS grass?
hay is simply grasses and what ever weeds grow there, sometimes you get soem
fancy stuff like alphalfa hay which is a different critter all together, wheat
straw is what is absorbent, the cell structure si larger, it's hollow and holds
water better, hay/grasses have large broad flat leaves, it's more surface area
for the water to evaporate from
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I dont see why stropharia cubensis (yes, I consider them in the stropharia genus) couldn't be grown on phalaris, but all i want to know is will the DMT and such break down during sterilisation?
the phalaris grass will mostlikely dry out before it completes colonization, a better strain for doing something like this as opposed to cubensis strains
would be Panaeolus subbalteatus, they tend to grow in pastures [decaying grasses] that house horses, they can be found on the manuer but it's not required
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Theoretically, if it's still there, there isn't any reaosn the potency shouldn't be increased.
your hypothesis is incorect, DMT is not oraly active.
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Re: Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? [Re: NESpores]
#4591324 - 08/28/05 03:15 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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but all i want to know is will the DMT and such break down during sterilization?
Couldn't you just pasteurize like you would do with straw, instead of sterilizing. The DMT wont break down at temperature required for pasteurizing.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? [Re: motaman]
#4591330 - 08/28/05 03:17 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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it also wont under sterilization temps, it's still not active oraly
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 Re: Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#4591506 - 08/28/05 04:15 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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She gotcha all riled up didnt she, You even brought the big ammo
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Re: Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? [Re: OldSpice]
#4591569 - 08/28/05 04:41 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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no, she misread my earlier post because she thought that I was saying that hay was
straw as opposed to what I actualy said which was that straw is commonly called
hay even though thats actualy not correct.
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rod
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Re: Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#4591595 - 08/28/05 04:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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tractors have changed a lot since I left Okla, it was considered
good to have a radio, and maybe AC, now look what the come equiped with.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? [Re: rod]
#4591609 - 08/28/05 04:50 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah, thats not standard equipment BTW, it's an option that you just cant buy
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rod
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Re: Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#4591618 - 08/28/05 04:52 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hear you,
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busted123
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Re: Phalaris Hay, Could It Increase Potency? [Re: rod]
#4591668 - 08/28/05 05:03 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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HAY you...out there in the cold
Getting lonely, getting old
Can you feel me?
HAY you, standing in the aisles
With itchy feet and fading smiles
Can you feel me?
This topic probably should have been opened in advanced cultivation....
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