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OfflineNewbieShroomer
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New Tek is complete, What do you think? * 1
    #458330 - 11/14/01 05:25 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, Spent the afternoon writing this, have another thread but that one is just updates, and I am DONE! If someone wants to edit this, be my guest. Someone did suggest I take out the extra stuff such as irrelevant info, like the part where i said I was going to kill myself, but TEKS are SO dry. Like reading a chemistry book... * Sigh * If anybody knows how I can go about subitting this document for actual tek archive posting, LET ME KNOW!! I want to make a splash. Leave my mark and all, silly, goofy ass that I am, crazy shit and all.... Enjoy!

NEWBIE SHROOMERS BEGGINERS GUIDE TEK ( It's all about the details! )


If you are reading this you are either NEW at growing Mushrooms,
or you just like to read anything interesting and shroom related that passes
under your eyes.
Well, regardless of why you are here, I hope you enjoy my ramblings...

This guide is an Overview of the materials and preparation of
everything Shroomy for the Beginner. This is NOT a tek to tell you
specifically how to go about cultivation. Merely a list of facts and
tips for those of us who are starting from the very beginning.


( Authors Note: I take no responsibility for this Document, I was sitting on the couch when I wrote this, and a friend who was hiding under the cushion I was sitting on whispered it all in my ear.. I just wrote down what he told me :) )

Part 1

Updated 11-14-2001

Introduction

So You want to grow Shrooms. You may want to grow just for yourself, or you might want to become a shroom king who pr*duces and de*ls in mass quantities. The Various teks available on the web are all different. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Many are very similar, but they tell you to do slightly different things, many are not dated, many are horribly out of date, and some are even plain wrong. The state of information regarding the Newbies initial production of shrooms is confusing and spread to the four winds. Where is the Newbie supposed to go? Who will he turn to? Who is under my couch?
So many questions... Here, let me ask just one more...

QUESTION: What's a Newbie to do? ANSWER: Listen to The Newbie Shroomer!

Why Me? Because I have shrooms on the brain. Though I am not very experienced * Blush * I do come home from work every day and spend several hours tending to my ever amazing, ever growing Fungus Farm. No more Late nights playing pool, no more watching tv, even my sex life has suffered. I am obsessed. The Ideas below are a collection of material learned from the masters of yesterday, and the innovators of today.


OK, You have read the PF tek, You've read the MMGG, You've read Psilly Simons Grow guide. You are confident, full of enthusiasm, bursting to tell someone, anyone, that you have attained insider knowledge pertaining to the Fruit of the Gods. You my friend are a master of your own destiny ready to become a Full Fledged Dr*g Pr*ducer. A dream Come true, eh? NOT QUITE YET! So, What now?

Grab your own flavorite Newbie Cultivation Tek, and lets get started.
( I recommend the Magic Mushroom Growers Guide until mine is finished )


MATERIALS

Overview

Ahhhhh, Materials.... That is a GREAT start to any Fledgling business.
In fact, you really need to have your shit together when it comes to shrooms.
Let me say one word here: TIME. Every time you need to run back to the store for lysol, tin foil, vermiculite, BRF, lube, sheep ect... YOU are going to lose time.
And when you lose time, you take shortcuts.

BAD NEWBIE! DO NOT TAKE SHORTCUTS THAT UNDERCUT STERILITY IN YOUR INITIAL EXPERIMENTATION.

When growing shrooms, the key is STERILITY.
I Cannot Emphasize Sterility enough. But we will talk more on that issue later,
unless, you don't love me anymore, in which case I will kill myself instead.
And we don't want that now... Do we?!?!?!


Main Entry: ster?ile

1 a : failing to bear or incapable of producing fruit or spores b : failing to produce or incapable of producing offspring c : incapable of germinating d of a flower : neither perfect nor pistillate

2 a : unproductive of vegetation
b : free from living organisms and especially microorganisms c : lacking in stimulating emotional or intellectual quality :

YES!!!!! READ THE ABOVE & BURN IT INTO YOUR BRAIN!!!
UNDERSTAND that the Mushroom needs A STERILE SUBSTRATE to grow.
Plants need Soil/Shrooms need STERILE substrate.

CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN = Enviroment, work area, your person, your tools.


You have your materials READY, so you do NOT take shortcuts on sterility and so you do not have to extend the time period to grow waiting for the damn store to open because it's 3 in the morning. Er, maybe that's just me tho... ;0)


So, when we talk about materials, lets start with everything we need to
get the cakes made and ready for terrariums, casing, ect.
Everything up to that point. Many of these items are optional,
some you might not need at all, but why not have everything the first time,
just in case?


One last thought. The teks you follow that say " You can do it all for under $30!! "
If thats the kinda budget you have to work with, then for Gods Sake, read No further!!!
Because initial materials for this " hobby " can get expensive, VERY expensive.
BUT, once you have the items you need in bulk, overhead is almost nothing.

* SPORES/SPORE SYRINGES *

Where to get: Multiple Vendors can be found on the Forest Floor and the Shroomery.

Ahhhhhhh, Easily the most important decision you need to make when contemplating Mycology. All the time I see people on the boards whining " But I placed my order
three months ago and I want to get started, my stuff isn't here yet!! " Sniveling Idiots. Place MULTIPLE orders your first time out. You WILL NOT regret this. You will get materials regularly in the mail that way, and not get stuck behind some zoned out, overworked, fry-brained vendor.

Personally the first time I ordered I used three vendors and got a free spore print from Ralphsters Free Spore Ring ( If you haven't gone there yet, What are you waiting for? Great deals and a Spore Print for a dollar!! )

So look to spend about $50 to $60 bucks on spore stuff out the gate. This will give you all of the raw materials you need to be successful or learn great new ways of fucking up without tapping out on the wild wind.

What do you get for $60? Shop around. Ask for deals when you can. Give them the pity trip that you are a newbie and have had to actually BUY shrooms in the past.. * shudder * They will cry with you and give you free shit... Just kidding. Really tho,
with 60 bills you should be able to get around three syringes full of stuff, 5 or so empty syringes, and 3 or 4 prints. Just need to scout yer sources.


So think about it. for one initial payout you can get:

* 3 full syringes
* 5 empties
* 4 prints


That is ALL you will need for a LONG time if you are even halfway sterile :)


( Side Note: When choosing your vendors be sure that thier recent track record is good. Talk to them via email or IM personally.

Do NOT go thru anybody who:

A. Is having troubles with the law
B. Seems to always send things 2 other people 2 months later
C. Has a poor reputation for product quality
D. Always has to defend themselves/products publicly on the boards
E. Likes to have sex with dead people.


Things to remember about Spores:

A. Do NOT touch them with your hands, Use tweezers & a scalpel.
B. You can contaminate your entire print with ease, be careful.
C. Anything you can see, is thousands of spores
D. Contrary to popular Belief, Shroom Spores are NOT good to snort.


( Tip: When using taping teks to innoculate jars, usually you are dealing with sealed jars
that have cooled and are STARVING for Oxygen. I found out the hard way that these jars will
suck down an entire syringe. NO KIDDING. I have a pint jar at home that has the contents of a whole Matius Romero syringe sitting in it, The colonization IS AWESOME. But that damn jar cost me
around $11.50 in spore juice!! LOL!! Looking into some testing with this development and agar/mycelium but nobody seems to think it will work but me. Will keep you all posted :) And oh yea, if your jars are ready to suck in a lot of air, be sure you are using an oven tek or a glovebox, glovebox is better. Just save a sterilized empty needle head to pierce the tape if you are worried.)

Thats it! Investigate the people you will be sending your money to, as your overall success can live and die with the quality of spores they send. )



* JARS *

Where to get: Vons, Ralphs, K-mart... Call around locally and let them know you need Wide Mouth TAPERED jars. Price check and then roll out and pick up your shit! :0)

When the Newbie jumps over to the Shroomery, he is often told that he should start small, learn the life cycle of the mushroom, blah blah blah. Newbie Shroomer says: FUCK THAT NOISE. My advice, start with 24 jars. 12 half pints you will begin work with, and 12 full pints which you will start working with a week after the halves are done. But thats down the road.... I haven't even written it yet! But by the time you get there... *ack!* I'm trippin, let me breathe a minute... In Fact, Breathe with me! Breathing is very important in Mycology, Meaning do NOT BREATHE on your Cultivation equipment or anything you are using. Ahhhhh, Thats better... Lets Continue....

This way, ( starting with 24 jars ) even if you experience Massive Contams, you are covered. And if all your jars pull thru, ( Three Cheers for the Newbie in all of us! ) then you can begin experimenting with your extra cakes as you see fit.

Things to remember about Jars:

A. You NEED them. They are perfect for fungus farming.
B. You WILL want lots of jars going, they are inexpensive, so why not?
C. Jars ARE fun to look at in the sun, see how they sparkle and shine?
D. Lids facing up or down, doesn't appear to matter, no worries.


* TOOLS *

Where to get: Medical Supply Stores, Home Dept, Wallmart

Oh Boy! Tools! Chainsaws, Arc Welders, Back-hoes... Oh wait, Thought I was writing the redneck version of my guide, damn. My Bad. Forget everything I just said. :0P

Here are some of the things you might need + how and where to get them.

1. Scalpel: I have been told that a sharp knife will work instead of a scalpel for moving spores about.

BUT, what you don't hear often is that the damn spores are attached to whatever they are on like gold on a t.v. evangelist. Gotta pry that shit off. Scalpels are not only easier to use, but easier to sanitize.

When you buy your scalpel, Try going to a medical supply store and getting a STAINLESS STEEL scalpel with extra tips. Home depot also carries these but not nearly as nice and not stainless.

( Tip: Your scalpel will become important in MANY aspects of your operation, be sure you have a nice one. Keep it where you will not end up sitting on it or the next time you use it you'll be cutting stitches out of your ass. )


2. Tongs: You never hear about this one either, but tongs can save you from contaminating your materials as well as some pretty bad burns. Pick up tongs at a thrift store used or cheaply anywhere they sell tongs. :0D

( Tip: Make sure your tongs are all metal, rubber/plastic parts hold water and
can contaminate and drip all over, and besides, they look far more menacing all stripped down.


3. Tin Foil: YES!!! For those of us who love tin foil, but have no excuse to play with it, Shroom Cultivation is a dream come true! Tin Foil will become a staple supply right up there with VERM. You will be going thru 25 square feet of tin foil like a fat person goes thru fried chicken. Trust me, Buy 2 Boxes. It's even easier if you get the foil that tears away in sheets. Good Stuff. And Remember, Newbie Shroomer's details are the Bomb Baby, You gotta come to me for the good stuff, the other guys are to boring, and detail-less... :)

( Tip: Buy a lot, Really. It's cheap, it's useful, you will need it, and it goes quick. )


4. Alcohol: You will need to get very drunk before you start... Oh, thats my sex life... * ouch! * Er, Rather you will need rubbing alcohol for many things as well.
From Constructing a sediment free alcohol lamp, to rubbing it all up and down your hands an arms before an oven tek, this stuff IS important.

( Tip: create an alcohol lamp by shoving cotton balls in a shot glass and setting on fire. Light just prior to any kind of jar innoculation. )


5. Peroxide: Great stuff, Use peroxide in the water you boil to sterilize jars,
use it in your casing mix, use it on yourself, great germ killer. If ya can, go to a medical supply store and get the good stuff, but, if'n ya don't, no worries.

( Tip: Using peroxide in your ears once a week is good for you simply pour capful in ear, wait until bubbling stops, drain and use a q-tip. )


6. Shot Glass: The shot glass will come in handy for things such as innoculating Spore Syringes, and as I previously mentioned as an Alcohol Lamp. You really only need one, but be sure it is made of think glass and, you can alway sterilize it with Jack Daniels!! That was a joke. * grin *

( Tip: Personally, if I do all of my shot glass sterilization in a teapot on the stove, at the same time you sterilize your shot glass, you can draw water out of the teapot to fill a spore syringe )

7. Cotton Balls: These are needed only for the alcohol lamp.

8. Alcohol Wipes: I tend to use these for EVERYTHING. Get a big box of them.
Will last you forever, and you will find they will become a staple of your cultivation kit.

( Tip: I think I Read this in the Hawks Sterility guide... When you are innoculating, be SURE to sterilize needle between jars using the alcohol lamp,
and then use an alcohol wipe to cool and cleanse the outside of the needle.
I learned this one the hard way, lost 9 of 12 jars becasue I failed to follow this one simple step. )

9. Lysol: This stuff is great, lemme tell ya, My first batch I didn't use lysol,
and ended up with some SERIOUS green contams, since lysol came into my life, NO Contams. I advise stocking up on this stuff as well. You will notice in the other teks that sometimes the author says " Make sure you NUKE the place with lysol. "
That really stuck in my head, the word NUKE. Think about it, what happens when a NUKE hits something? * smile * You get the picture. Whenever using lysol for anything shroom related, think NUKE.

( Tip: Lysol is a bit pricey in my area, I found that I could buy a HUGE container of it and save quite a few $$$

10. Vermiculite: When you purchase this item, make sure you get the BIG bag. It's only about ten bucks for like 4 square feet of the stuff, you will NEVER run out.
If you buy the small bag, you will find it's only good to fill about 15 or 16 jars.
And thats 4 bucks already :)

( Tip: While you are picking up your verm, grab a couple of 5 gallon buckets to store it in. Long term use of a big bag, wil eventually age the bag and it will start to develop holes and get all over the place. )

11. Brown Rice Flour: You can pick that stuff up at any organic foods store.
Or you can find a grinder and make your own. People say it's better to make your own, but they never say why, if you know, tell me and I will update this tek pronto!

( Tip: When initially mixing with verm and water, mix verm and water FIRST.
VERY IMPORTANT tip Brought to me by the infamous anno. The idea is not to mix it all together. Ideally, you mix VERM and WATER first, till the verm has soaked up ALL the water. Do not worry about measuring water, just feed the verm till it all soaks in,
wait a few minutes, and THEN add the BRF and COAT the verm with it. This is yet another
hidden Idea I found lurking in just one place. Gratis Anno.

( Tip: If they look at you funny in the store, tell them you are cultivating Magic Mushrooms, you think the cops are onto you, and you need someone to create a diversion...)

12. Water: Often overlooked! You will use water in SOOOOOO many steps cultivating mushrooms, that it's not even funny. from mixing it with the verm, to using it in the pressure cooker, to filling the humidifier, If you have one of those faucet purifiers you are in business, if not, heres another idea: I purchased two five gallon water bottles and a spigot for about 25 bucks. From the Glacier machines water is a quarter a gallon, and CRYSTAL clear. So ten gallons = two dollars and fifty cents.


13. Pressure Cooker versus Boiling pot: Very mixed signals from these two camps.
While the boiling pot in theory should work almost as well as the cooker, in my studies
I have found that people using boiling pots are indeed MORE open to contams. But if you boil long enough you shouldbe A-ok. The pressure cooker on the other hand, is THE way to go. Flawless sterilization every time. It's nice when you can be sure that the Jar sterilization part of the procedure is NOT a factor when you are tracking contams.

( Tip: If you are using a boiling pot, don't even bother trying any of the grain teks. Here is why: Grains have much thicker casings and more mass to cook thru and tiny bacteria, mold spores and microns to small for us to fathom can hide away in those.
With a BP as opposed to a PC you can't be sure the heat killed all those little guys. )

( Tip: * Swiped from Captain Max * If your cookers jiggly thing on top ( that's what my girlfriend calls it ) is broken, use a shot glass on top to hold the steam, works like a charm. )

14. Washrag/Towel: Because the jars cannot touch the metal of the bottom of the cooker or pot, you will need to place a rag under the jars. The reason for this, is that the HUGE amount of heat can crack a jar, the heat can dry a jar, and because it's fun to clean stained old rags by boiling them.

( Tip: Add a few capfuls of peroxide to the water you are using to sterilize the jars just for shits and giggles :0) )


15. Paper Towels: Yes, Yes, I know, You are thinking " But Grand PoohBa Newbie Shroomer Sir, nobody else includes paper towels in thier teks!? " Well, get over it. Newbie Shroomer finds the vast majority of mushroom cultivation teks out there not only incomplete, but sadly lacking in details. This is the main reason Newbie Shroomer is here holding out my hand to you right now. So you don't have to sort all of the details out for yourself like I did when I started. And out of the goodness of my heart :0) * Heterosexual Hugs to all! * Paper towels are nice to have on hand cause they are dry, sterile, and disposable.
Keep a roll at hand when you start and you'll thank me later!


16. Bleach: I usually only use bleach water to sterilize previously used jars, and, if you are reading this you are probably not there yet. But it is nice to have on on hand, NOTHING
can live thru a nice bleach bath.

( Tip: When you your initial jars start showing signs of contam, empty the jars immediately * don't listen to the teks telling you they can be saved, cause it ain't worth the trouble *
and soak lids and jars for 4 to 6 hours in %20 bleach water. Then rinse and boil lids and jars for another 45 minutes or so, and your jars are again ready for action.


17. STERILE latex gloves: These are great! You can get a box of about 100 for under three bucks. Disposable, keeps your hands clean, easy to work in. A great Idea for anyone using oven teks especially. Make sure you spray the gloves liberally with lysol before use. Dispose of used gloves when done. If you hafta go around picking things up between sensitive
innoculating/spore printing or whatever just get some new ones, they are cheao cheap cheap.

( Tip: Do NOT TRY using tape teks with the latex gloves on. I tried to do that and it was sooooo frustrating. I felt like a cat with tape on it's paws!!! * grin *


18. Tape: Soooooooooo many uses. Need I say more? LOL! Of course I do! This is The Newbie Shroomer baby, I got's oodles of info, holding nothing back! * grin * You will need strong packing tape, duct tape and masking tape.

A. Masking tape - is used to mark jars, easy to write on, easy to read, easy to take off. Mark tape on tops of jars as you won't be able to watch colonization in places where tape covers the sides of the jar. You can also use it to date whole boxes of jars, that way you don't have dates and strain names all over your boxes :)

B. Duct Tape - If you are thinking of Constructing a glove box ( Newbie Shroomer has Developed the BOMB glovebox with BOMB instructions to go with it, coming soon! * wink *) you will need this stuff. Buy the INDUSTRIAL grade which is nice and extra sticky.

C. Clear Packing tape - This will be used with any tek that involves taping jars prior to sterilization.

19. Sharpie Fine Tip: Pretty petty adding a pen into the mix, but dammit, If you are about to go shopping for materials you will NEED this item anyways. You should get a green Sharpie, cause thats my favorite color. I'm kidding, color doesn't really matter. The pen will be used to write on the masking tape to label strains/dates/specific numerical jar numbering. VERY IMPORTANT.

( Tip: Make sure that you DO label your jars. When you produce them in mass quantities it's very easy to mix jars up and forget what they are and when they were innoculated )

20. Paper and Pen: I could give a rats ass about a log book, but some people swear by them.
( If you choose, ) You should make a log of every step you take, what went where, times dates,
and meticulously script your progress. This will help you track down things you do wrong, as well as the things you do right :)

21. ZipLock Freezer Bags: Cheap, 1 box lasts forever, and will save you some time re-sterilizing crap. Store your empty syringes in one bag, your new ones in another. Discard the original bags
your syringes/prints came in, just more evidence against you should the MAN come down and swoop on your pad.

( Tip: sterilize all tools in a pot, when done, place on LYSOL soaked tin foil, wrap, store in lysol soaked zip lock, do not open again till ready to use in glovebox or stove. )

22. A Plastic Box: Keep all of your crap together in one place. Buy a box to hold everything.
That way you don't need to go searching all over the house when you feel like doing some work.
I always end up with my materials scattered up and down the mansion, er, I mean apartment!

23. Your Tek: Finally, the last thing we are probably going to need is the tek you will use to
get everything going. Don't try your first time with only your memory to rely on if it is your first time. Odds are VERY good that you will forget a vital step and ruin a lot of work, and quite possibly some substantial $$$ worth of spore juice.

( Tip: Get some magnets and post all the tek papers you will need to your fridge, this will help prevent them from mixing up + you can post teks side by side to borrow from two or three. I have found few teks complete and up to date that cover EVERYTHING. Newbie Shroomer will have his beginners tek written shortly, depending on whether this tek gets any attention or not. So LQQK for it :)


You are ROLLING in Materials if you buy all this crap, and should want for very little. Part II will deal with my very own beginners cultivation Tek. Watch Out!!!

Thats it for now. I wrote this Tek While at Work on 11/14/2001 within a 5 hour period. I have no written material I was pulling this info from, it was all in my head. I gave credit to those who deserved it, and I had a blast. Anybody has anything to add, HEY! LEMME KNOW! I will give you full credit, and This TEK will be a HAFTA HAVE for the New Newbies. Thats my goal today anyway :)
If you Actually grow a crop of mushies, and I helped with this tek, By all Means send me a spore print!! I'd Appreciate that!

Email me @ PoolFiend@Hotmail.com or pm me at the Shroomery!


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #458459 - 11/14/01 07:15 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the great info NewbieShroomer. I'm brand new to this forum (as of today) and came across your New Tek info. Great! Let me tell ya, I'm a newbie and this will definately help me out.

I just got my first three jars of substrate ready for innoculation last night. I saw a recommendation to let them stand for 1-3 days to see if any growth is seen before any inoculation is done the first few times to make sure that my sterilization methods (following pf tek of course) worked correctly. So far so good.

Quick question for ya: I'm interested in ordering some spore syringes as well as a few spore prints. Any recommendations on vendors? Also, where do you normally have the prints sent? To your home address or do you have a PO box? or?

Thanks again!

(Including a pic of two of my jars....)
[image]http://shroomery.org/wwwthreads/files/66897-PFTek_Phase1


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: FreakShow]
    #458471 - 11/14/01 07:32 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Hey Freak! Nice ta meetcha!

Yea, I just have to much time on my hands, the porn business is slow right now :) And thank you so much for the kind words, I want to contribute something that will help people get thru some of the problems I Faced, So i created the first materials tek I have ever seen :)

As far as letting the jars sit, if you have a pc, I wouldn't worry about it, but if you are boiling, you made a good choice :)

I would advise ( as far as vendors go ) Captain Max & Ralphster, Remember, I am Newbie Shroomer and still new at this to, My purchases have been limited. But I went thru both those guys, fast response, great deals and I was stoked :)


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Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #458626 - 11/14/01 10:12 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I did in fact use the boiling pot method to sterilize the jars. I put in a nice dark shelf to sit and am watching them for any signs of bacteria or growth in the jars. I figure by the time I obtain some spores, if no growth is detected, I should have a good, sterile environment for the little guys to grow. ;) If not, well, it was my first attempt.

Did I miss something? Still confused about what your recommendations are as to where to have deliveries sent to? (home/work/PO box?)

Thanks!


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: FreakShow]
    #458779 - 11/15/01 12:20 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

WTF I Sent you an IM with no response....And I was even giving you props...well anyway thanks again for all the help..even though you havent even grown anything yet officially...Hey wheres that sterility tech I heard you talkin about.....and wheres part 2 of this thread?
Keep on.


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: omgbeeeeees]
    #458878 - 11/15/01 01:37 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds good
Your tek seems to be devoid of humor compared to other teks
try to make your tek less robotic and more "human"

J/k lol hahaha
=)
Good stuff


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: FreakShow]
    #459193 - 11/15/01 11:25 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Freakshow! Dude, I'm Sorry!

Listen, have your girl or someone you trust get a p.o. box,
have your stuff sent there in their name.

Thats what I did, Better safe than sorry!


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: omgbeeeeees]
    #459202 - 11/15/01 11:35 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Hey Mr.!!! I was so busy writing the tek I didn't get to my im's :0( Since I only got the computer for 8 hours a day, and yesterday spent like 5 or 6 writing that tek,,, Didn't get a chance :) But thanks man! For some reason certain people don't like me, but thats cool, I just tell them to ^%$^&^&$ my (*&(*& with their mouth and then (*%*&*& with the broomstick..... It's all good! :0)

As for part two,..... Well, response for part one ( above has been shitty ) I have part two all put together in my head.... But I am not changing my writing style, and that seems to be what people would like to see.... BUt if I just gave the facts... What fucking fun would it be to write a tek anyhow??? NONE AT ALL. Thats one reason why there are so few good teks out there now. Because they take a lot of time, and are a bitch to write :)

Anyways, unless I get this one posted to a permanent board,
( I still have some updating to do on it, needs tweezers, mouthwash, and a facemask, maybe more...) then I am not going to write any more teks. I have a whole series of teks sketched out with everything! From a way more fun, more detailed FIRST TIMERS guide to cultivation, to Shroom time management teks.
But if no-one cares I'm not going to even bother.
And the newbies to the market can get the same, stale, force fed teks that have been moldering on the boards for years...
Who needs updated material anyway? *LOL!*
Hey man, thanks, and take care :)


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: Grenade01]
    #459208 - 11/15/01 11:39 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Dammit Grenade!!!

Try as I might, I cannot Sound Human!!!
" I am NOT an animal!!! " - REmember which movie that come from? :0P Nice to hear from ya dude, where ya been? Gettin some good *(^&%^%$^ ??? :0D

Just for you grenade I will try and lose my robotic monotone
lecture attitude.. LOL! ;0)


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #459300 - 11/15/01 01:34 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Although your tek holds a few pointers that aren't in the other teks, I find you annoying. I would much rather take advice from these "boring" teks because they know what they are doing, and have some decent shrooming experience. I do agree that we need a new updated tek with perlite humidification, simple casing, etc. etc. But I don't think you are the one to write it. Also, shrooming isn't a game, so I don't feel the need to read a tek where 50% of it is childish humor. Lastly, I wish I had the money you do to go out and buy all of that crap, but sadly, most of us do not.

Sorry.


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: ShroomNewb]
    #459321 - 11/15/01 01:53 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Well I appreciate your reply!!

My tek is for people who want to start who HAVE the money to actually do things more easily than piecemeal. As for the childish humor, LOL! go figure, thats just me! I am sure there are a select few who will enjoy what I have to say, and even find some of it useful. Thanks fer yer time!

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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #459334 - 11/15/01 02:02 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

why don't you actually GROW some shrooms first before you write a tek. hahahahahahaha!!!
hey newbies, this guy hasn't even grown any shrooms yet. he is simply regurgitating information already out there and trying to call it his own.
hey newbieshroomer, maybe you should complete the process from innoculation to harvest before you go giving advice.
please newbies, listen to the more experienced people in this forum. this guy is a fruitcake!

if he had any sense at all he wouldn't be instructing newbies to do ANYTHING but follow pf tek to the letter. get a feel for it, THEN move on to variations on a theme.
peace!


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #459343 - 11/15/01 02:13 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Your TEK is fun and has some helpfull hints, period.
Newbie newbies will surelly apreciate some of that stuff!

Peace,
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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: XAZIA]
    #459344 - 11/15/01 02:14 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Damn Straight! I have yet to grow shrooms...

BUT! I own all of the materials I listed, a lot of the tips I had to find for myself. And I Have spent DOZENS of hours just getting the cakes made, and that is what I'm offering you, stuff I have already beeen thru :)

And Fellow Newbies, there is not a guide out there that compares to mine when it comes to understanding the how and why of materials.

So, don't listen to Xazia, she is just upset cause I rained on her parade, and she would rather talk trash than take care of her three kids. She must be on welfare, since she is always on and doesn't appear to actually have to work.
So ignore her, she will no doubt be around spewing hate,
but that just keeps this thread at the top :O)

As far as my tek goes tho, I have removed a lot of the clutter and added some new stuff since yesterday, If you are brand new, it should help you along a bit.

Thanks to all who pm'd me for details since last night.
I will send you all updated teks when I get time, I actually have to get back to getting some porno together for work :)

Peace!


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: ShroomNewb]
    #459354 - 11/15/01 02:38 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

i competely agree with sroomnewb. paper towels? what the fucc man, ure confusing a lot of people that would normaly read a MMGG and succesfully grow shrooms.


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: 3ptCrown]
    #459530 - 11/15/01 05:25 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Time out.

Obviously I put something together that people aren't getting, which is fine. As far as confusing people with paper towels, dude, I specifically mentioned that this is NOT
a cultivation tek. It's a materials tek for newbies, I've never seen one before. So I created one. If you actually READ the whole tek, you would also see that many of the items I have listed are optional. And if you didn't read the whole thing, you have no business playing critic. Have any of the people who are critiquing me ever written a tek??? I'd like to see theirs!! LOLOL!

I'm beginning to think that a whole slew of 16 year olds are sitting at home playing couch critic because it's becoming obvious that there are few people
here reading my tek who took time to read it all. And if they did, they certainly aren't showing it! Some of the feedback I've gotten is pretty damn lame.

This has been wild! Something I didn't expect!
LOL! That people would come at me attacking the tek,
saying that everything is " stolen " or " old news " or " unoriginal" .... * laughing * And I gotta admit, it's been a lot of fun!!!
I feel like a teacher in a schoolyard! LOLOL!!! And I have yet to get any feedback on misinformation I printed, well, unless you count the paper towels!!!
LOLOLOL!!! We'll just leave those in for now until someone more qualified than the guy who didn't bother to read the whole tek comes along :)

Below is todays update, For those few who care. ;0) I have added in A particulate catcher face mask, Tweezers, a few odds and ends and thinned out my blabber a little bit :0)


NEWBIE SHROOMERS BEGINNER MATERIALS TEK ( It's all about the details! )


If you are reading this you are either NEW at growing Mushrooms,
or you just like to read anything interesting and shroom related that passes
under your eyes.
Well, regardless of why you are here, I hope you enjoy my ramblings...

This guide is an Overview of the materials and preparation of
everything Shroomy for the Beginner. This is NOT a tek to tell you
specifically how to go about cultivation. Merely a list of facts and
tips for those of us who are starting from the very beginning.


( Authors Note: I take no responsibility for this Document, I was sitting on the couch when I wrote this, and a friend who was hiding under the cushion I was sitting on whispered it all in my ear.. I just wrote down what he told me :) )

Part 1

Updated 11-14-2001

Introduction

So You want to grow Shrooms. You may want to grow just for yourself, or you might want to become a shroom king who pr*duces and de*ls in mass quantities. The Various teks available on the web are all different. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Many are very similar, but they tell you to do slightly different things, many are not dated, many are horribly out of date, and some are even plain wrong. The state of information regarding the Newbies initial production of shrooms is confusing and spread to the four winds. Where is the Newbie supposed to go? Who will he turn to? Who is under my couch?
So many questions... Here, let me ask just one more...

QUESTION: What's a Newbie to do? ANSWER: Listen to The Newbie Shroomer!

Why Me? Because I have shrooms on the brain. Though I am not very experienced * Blush * I do come home from work every day and spend several hours tending to my ever amazing, ever growing Fungus Farm. No more Late nights playing pool, no more watching tv, even my sex life has suffered. I am obsessed. The Ideas below are a collection of material learned from the masters of yesterday, and the innovators of today.


OK, You have read the PF tek, You've read the MMGG, You've read Psilly Simons Grow guide. You are confident, full of enthusiasm, bursting to tell someone, anyone, that you have attained insider knowledge pertaining to the Fruit of the Gods. You my friend are a master of your own destiny ready to become a Full Fledged Dr*g Pr*ducer. A dream Come true, eh? NOT QUITE YET! So, What now?

Grab your own flavorite Newbie Cultivation Tek, and lets get started.
( I recommend the Magic Mushroom Growers Guide until mine is finished )


MATERIALS

Overview

Ahhhhh, Materials.... That is a GREAT start to any Fledgling business.
In fact, you really need to have your shit together when it comes to shrooms.
Let me say one word here: TIME. Every time you need to run back to the store for lysol, tin foil, vermiculite, BRF, lube, sheep ect... YOU are going to lose time.
And when you lose time, you take shortcuts.

BAD NEWBIE! DO NOT TAKE SHORTCUTS THAT UNDERCUT STERILITY IN YOUR INITIAL EXPERIMENTATION.

When growing shrooms, the key is STERILITY.
I Cannot Emphasize Sterility enough,
But we will talk more on that issue later.

Main Entry: ster?ile

1
a : failing to bear or incapable of producing fruit or spores
b : failing to produce or incapable of producing offspring
c : incapable of germinating of a flower
d : neither perfect nor pistillate

2
a : unproductive of vegetation

b : free from living organisms and especially microorganisms
c : lacking in stimulating emotional or intellectual quality :

YES!!!!! READ THE ABOVE & BURN IT INTO YOUR BRAIN!!!
UNDERSTAND that the Mushroom needs A STERILE SUBSTRATE to grow.
Plants need Soil/Shrooms need STERILE substrate.

CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN, CLEAN = Enviroment, work area, your person, your tools.


You have your materials READY, so you do NOT take shortcuts on sterility and so you do not have to extend the time period to grow waiting for the damn store to open because it's 3 in the morning. Er, maybe that's just me tho... ;0)


So, when we talk about materials, lets start with everything we need to
get the cakes made and ready for terrariums, casing, ect.
Everything up to that point. Many of these items are optional,
some you might not need at all, but why not have everything the first time,
just in case?


One last thought. The teks you follow that say " You can do it all for under $30!! "
If thats the kinda budget you have to work with, then for Gods Sake, read No further!!!
Because initial materials for this " hobby " can get expensive, VERY expensive.
BUT, once you have the items you need in bulk, overhead is almost nothing.

* SPORES/SPORE SYRINGES *

Where to get: Multiple Vendors can be found on the Forest Floor and the Shroomery.

Ahhhhhhh, Easily the most important decision you need to make when contemplating Mycology. All the time I see people on the boards whining " But I placed my order
three months ago and I want to get started, my stuff isn't here yet!! " Sniveling Idiots. Place MULTIPLE orders your first time out. You WILL NOT regret this. You will get materials regularly in the mail that way, and not get stuck behind some zoned out, overworked, fry-brained vendor.

Personally the first time I ordered I used three vendors and got a free spore print from Ralphsters Free Spore Ring ( If you haven't gone there yet, What are you waiting for? Great deals and a Spore Print for a dollar!! )

So look to spend about $50 to $60 bucks on spore stuff out the gate. This will give you all of the raw materials you need to be successful or learn great new ways of fucking up without tapping out on the wild wind.

What do you get for $60? Shop around. Ask for deals when you can. Give them the pity trip that you are a newbie and have had to actually BUY shrooms in the past.. * shudder * They will cry with you and give you free shit... Just kidding. Really tho,
with 60 bills you should be able to get around three syringes full of stuff, 5 or so empty syringes, and 3 or 4 prints. Just need to scout yer sources.


So think about it. for one initial payout you can get:

* 3 full syringes
* 5 empties
* 4 prints


That is ALL you will need for a LONG time if you are even halfway sterile :)


( Side Note: When choosing your vendors be sure that thier recent track record is good. Talk to them via email or IM personally.

Do NOT go thru anybody who:

A. Is having troubles with the law
B. Seems to always send things 2 other people 2 months later
C. Has a poor reputation for product quality
D. Always has to defend themselves/products publicly on the boards
E. Likes to have sex with dead people.


Things to remember about Spores:

A. Do NOT touch them with your hands, Use tweezers & a scalpel.
B. You can contaminate your entire print with ease, be careful.
C. Anything you can see, is thousands of spores
D. Contrary to popular Belief, Shroom Spores are NOT good to snort.


( Tip: When using taping teks to innoculate jars, usually you are dealing with sealed jars
that have cooled and are STARVING for Oxygen. I found out the hard way that these jars will
suck down an entire syringe. NO KIDDING. I have a pint jar at home that has the contents of a whole Matius Romero syringe sitting in it, The colonization IS AWESOME. But that damn jar cost me
around $11.50 in spore juice!! LOL!! Looking into some testing with this development and agar/mycelium but nobody seems to think it will work but me. Will keep you all posted :) And oh yea, if your jars are ready to suck in a lot of air, be sure you are using an oven tek or a glovebox, glovebox is better. Just save a sterilized empty needle head to pierce the tape if you are worried.)

Thats it! Investigate the people you will be sending your money to, as your overall success can live and die with the quality of spores they send. )



* JARS *

Where to get: Vons, Ralphs, K-mart... Call around locally and let them know you need Wide Mouth TAPERED jars. Price check and then roll out and pick up your shit! :0)

When the Newbie jumps over to the Shroomery, he is often told that he should start small, learn the life cycle of the mushroom, blah blah blah. Newbie Shroomer says: FUCK THAT NOISE. My advice, start with 24 jars. 12 half pints you will begin work with, and 12 full pints which you will start working with a week after the halves are done. But thats down the road.... I haven't even written it yet! But by the time you get there... *ack!* I'm trippin, let me breathe a minute... In Fact, Breathe with me! Breathing is very important in Mycology, Meaning do NOT BREATHE on your Cultivation equipment or anything you are using. Ahhhhh, Thats better... Lets Continue....

This way, ( starting with 24 jars ) even if you experience Massive Contams, you are covered. And if all your jars pull thru, ( Three Cheers for the Newbie in all of us! ) then you can begin experimenting with your extra cakes as you see fit.

Things to remember about Jars:

A. You NEED them. They are perfect for fungus farming.
B. You WILL want lots of jars going, they are inexpensive, so why not?
C. Jars ARE fun to look at in the sun, see how they sparkle and shine?
D. Lids facing up OR down, doesn't appear to matter, no worries.


* TOOLS *

Where to get: Medical Supply Stores, Home Dept, Wallmart

Oh Boy! Tools! Chainsaws, Arc Welders, Back-hoes... Oh wait, Thought I was writing the redneck version of my guide, damn. My Bad. Forget everything I just said. :0P

Here are some of the things you might need + how and where to get them.

1. Scalpel: I have been told that a sharp knife will work instead of a scalpel for moving spores about.

BUT, what you don't hear often is that the damn spores are attached to whatever they are on like gold on a t.v. evangelist. Gotta pry that shit off. Scalpels are not only easier to use, but easier to sanitize.

When you buy your scalpel, Try going to a medical supply store and getting a STAINLESS STEEL scalpel with extra tips. Home depot also carries these but not nearly as nice and not stainless.

( Tip: Your scalpel will become important in MANY aspects of your operation, be sure you have a nice one. Keep it where you will not end up sitting on it or the next time you use it you'll be cutting stitches out of your ass. )


2. Tongs: You never hear about this one either, but tongs can save you from contaminating your materials as well as some pretty bad burns. Pick up tongs at a thrift store used or cheaply anywhere they sell tongs. :0D

( Tip: Make sure your tongs are all metal, rubber/plastic parts hold water and
can contaminate and drip all over, and besides, they look far more menacing all stripped down.


3. Tin Foil: YES!!! For those of us who love tin foil, but have no excuse to play with it, Shroom Cultivation is a dream come true! Tin Foil will become a staple supply right up there with VERM. You will be going thru 25 square feet of tin foil like a fat person goes thru fried chicken. Trust me, Buy 2 Boxes. It's even easier if you get the foil that tears away in sheets. Good Stuff. And Remember, Newbie Shroomer's details are the Bomb Baby, You gotta come to me for the good stuff, the other guys are to boring, and detail-less... :)

( Tip: Buy a lot, Really. It's cheap, it's useful, you will need it, and it goes quick. )


4. Alcohol: You will need to get very drunk before you start... Oh, thats my sex life... * ouch! * Er, Rather you will need rubbing alcohol for many things as well.
From Constructing a sediment free alcohol lamp, to rubbing it all up and down your hands an arms before an oven tek, this stuff IS important.

( Tip: create an alcohol lamp by shoving cotton balls in a shot glass and setting on fire. Light just prior to any kind of jar innoculation. )


5. Peroxide: Great stuff, Use peroxide in the water you boil to sterilize jars,
use it in your casing mix, use it on yourself, great germ killer. If ya can, go to a medical supply store and get the good stuff, but, if'n ya don't, no worries.

( Tip: Using peroxide in your ears once a week is good for you simply pour capful in ear, wait until bubbling stops, drain and use a q-tip. )


6. Shot Glass: The shot glass will come in handy for things such as innoculating Spore Syringes, and as I previously mentioned as an Alcohol Lamp. You really only need one, but be sure it is made of thick glass and, you can alway sterilize it with Jack Daniels!! That was a joke. * grin *

( Tip: Personally, I do all of my shot glass sterilization in a teapot on the stove, at the same time you sterilize your shot glass, you can draw water out of the teapot to fill a spore syringe )

7. Cotton Balls: These are needed only for the alcohol lamp.

8. Alcohol Wipes: I tend to use these for EVERYTHING. Get a big box of them.
Will last you forever, and you will find they will become a staple of your cultivation kit.

( Tip: I think I Read this in the Hawks Sterility guide... When you are innoculating, be SURE to sterilize needle between jars using the alcohol lamp,
and then use an alcohol wipe to cool and cleanse the outside of the needle.
I learned this one the hard way, lost 9 of 12 jars becasue I failed to follow this one simple step. )

9. Lysol: This stuff is great, lemme tell ya, My first batch I didn't use lysol,
and ended up with some SERIOUS green contams, since lysol came into my life, NO Contams. I advise stocking up on this stuff as well. You will notice in the other teks that sometimes the author says " Make sure you NUKE the place with lysol. "
That really stuck in my head, the word NUKE. Think about it, what happens when a NUKE hits something? * smile * You get the picture. Whenever using lysol for anything shroom related, think NUKE.

( Tip: Lysol is a bit pricey in my area, I found that I could buy a HUGE container of it and save quite a few $$$

10. Vermiculite: When you purchase this item, make sure you get the BIG bag. It's only about ten bucks for like 4 square feet of the stuff, you will NEVER run out.
If you buy the small bag, you will find it's only good to fill about 15 or 16 jars.
And thats 4 bucks already :)

( Tip: While you are picking up your verm, grab a couple of 5 gallon buckets to store it in. Long term use of a big bag, wil eventually age the bag and it will start to develop holes and get all over the place. )

11. Brown Rice Flour: You can pick that stuff up at any organic foods store.
Or you can find a grinder and make your own. People say it's better to make your own, but they never say why, if you know, tell me and I will update this tek pronto!

( Tip: When initially mixing with verm and water, mix verm and water FIRST.
VERY IMPORTANT tip Brought to me by the infamous anno. The idea is not to mix it all together. Ideally, you mix VERM and WATER first, till the verm has soaked up ALL the water. Do not worry about measuring water, just feed the verm till it all soaks in,
wait a few minutes, and THEN add the BRF and COAT the verm with it. This is yet another
hidden Idea I found lurking in just one place. Gratis Anno.

( Tip: If they look at you funny in the store, tell them you are cultivating Magic Mushrooms, you think the cops are onto you, and you need someone to create a diversion...)

12. Water: Often overlooked! You will use water in SOOOOOO many steps cultivating mushrooms, that it's not even funny. from mixing it with the verm, to using it in the pressure cooker, to filling the humidifier, If you have one of those faucet purifiers you are in business, if not, heres another idea: I purchased two five gallon water bottles and a spigot for about 25 bucks. From the Glacier machines water is a quarter a gallon, and CRYSTAL clear. So ten gallons = two dollars and fifty cents.


13. Pressure Cooker versus Boiling pot: Very mixed signals from these two camps.
While the boiling pot in theory should work almost as well as the cooker, in my studies
I have found that people using boiling pots are indeed MORE open to contams. But if you boil long enough you shouldbe A-ok. The pressure cooker on the other hand, is THE way to go. Flawless sterilization every time. It's nice when you can be sure that the Jar sterilization part of the procedure is NOT a factor when you are tracking contams.

( Tip: If you are using a boiling pot, don't even bother trying any of the grain teks. Here is why: Grains have much thicker casings and more mass to cook thru and tiny bacteria, mold spores and microns to small for us to fathom can hide away in those.
With a BP as opposed to a PC you can't be sure the heat killed all those little guys. )

( Tip: * Swiped from Captain Max * If your cookers jiggly thing on top ( that's what my girlfriend calls it ) is broken, use a shot glass on top to hold the steam, works like a charm. )

14. Washrag/Towel: Because the jars cannot touch the metal of the bottom of the cooker or pot, you will need to place a rag under the jars. The reason for this, is that the HUGE amount of heat can crack a jar, the heat can dry a jar, and because it's fun to clean stained old rags by boiling them.

( Tip: Add a few capfuls of peroxide to the water you are using to sterilize the jars just for shits and giggles :0) )


15. Paper Towels: Yes, Yes, I know, You are thinking " But Grand PoohBa Newbie Shroomer Sir, nobody else includes paper towels in thier teks!? " Well, get over it. Newbie Shroomer finds the vast majority of mushroom cultivation teks out there not only incomplete, but sadly lacking in details. This is the main reason Newbie Shroomer is here holding out my hand to you right now. So you don't have to sort all of the details out for yourself like I did when I started. And out of the goodness of my heart :0) * Heterosexual Hugs to all! * Paper towels are nice to have on hand cause they are dry, sterile, and disposable.
Keep a roll at hand when you start and you'll thank me later!


16. Bleach: I usually only use bleach water to sterilize previously used jars, and, if you are reading this you are probably not there yet. But it is nice to have on on hand, NOTHING
can live thru a nice bleach bath.

( Tip: When you your initial jars start showing signs of contam, empty the jars immediately * don't listen to the teks telling you they can be saved, cause it ain't worth the trouble *
and soak lids and jars for 4 to 6 hours in %20 bleach water. Then rinse and boil lids and jars for another 45 minutes or so, and your jars are again ready for action.


17. STERILE latex gloves: These are great! You can get a box of about 100 for under three bucks. Disposable, keeps your hands clean, easy to work in. A great Idea for anyone using oven teks especially. Make sure you spray the gloves liberally with lysol before use. Dispose of used gloves when done. If you hafta go around picking things up between sensitive
innoculating/spore printing or whatever just get some new ones, they are cheao cheap cheap.

( Tip: Do NOT TRY using tape teks with the latex gloves on. I tried to do that and it was sooooo frustrating. I felt like a cat with tape on it's paws!!! * grin *


18. Tape: Soooooooooo many uses. Need I say more? LOL! Of course I do! This is The Newbie Shroomer baby, I got's oodles of info, holding nothing back! * grin * You will need strong packing tape, duct tape and masking tape.

A. Masking tape - is used to mark jars, easy to write on, easy to read, easy to take off. Mark tape on tops of jars as you won't be able to watch colonization in places where tape covers the sides of the jar. You can also use it to date whole boxes of jars, that way you don't have dates and strain names all over your boxes :)

B. Duct Tape - If you are thinking of Constructing a glove box ( Newbie Shroomer has Developed the BOMB glovebox with BOMB instructions to go with it, coming soon! * wink *) you will need this stuff. Buy the INDUSTRIAL grade which is nice and extra sticky.

C. Clear Packing tape - This will be used with any tek that involves taping jars prior to sterilization.

19. Sharpie Fine Tip: Pretty petty adding a pen into the mix, but dammit, If you are about to go shopping for materials you will NEED this item anyways. You should get a green Sharpie, cause thats my favorite color. I'm kidding, color doesn't really matter. The pen will be used to write on the masking tape to label strains/dates/specific numerical jar numbering. VERY IMPORTANT.

( Tip: Make sure that you DO label your jars. When you produce them in mass quantities it's very easy to mix jars up and forget what they are and when they were innoculated )

20. Paper and Pen: I could give a rats ass about a log book, but some people swear by them.
( If you choose, ) You should make a log of every step you take, what went where, times dates,
and meticulously script your progress. This will help you track down things you do wrong, as well as the things you do right :)

21. ZipLock Freezer Bags: Cheap, 1 box lasts forever, and will save you some time re-sterilizing crap. Store your empty syringes in one bag, your new ones in another. Discard the original bags
your syringes/prints came in, just more evidence against you should the MAN come down and swoop on your pad.

( Tip: sterilize all tools in a pot, when done, place on LYSOL soaked tin foil, wrap, store in lysol soaked zip lock, do not open again till ready to use in glovebox or stove. )

22. Face Mask: Not sure what this puppy is called, but I bought a few from a medical supply store.
Originally I went to home depot for this little item, and discovered that the kind I wanted ( catches spores, bacteria, micron size organisms ) wasn't there. So I went to a medical supply store and and picked up 3 nice ones, kinda pricey, but they can be used over and over again. Supposedly
when you breathe around your ongoing projects, you are letting loose all kinds of bad stuff that
might add contams to your batch.

( Tip: Common Knowledge, I know!!! But be sure to try and gargle with some strong mouthwash before doing anything where contamination might be a factor. Every little thing you do to prevent contams, helps prevent contams! :) )

23. Tweezers: These are used to hold down the spore print while you are using your scalpel to scrape off the spores.

( Tip: Before submitting new teks to people who have no clue what you are trying to accomplish,
please fasten your seat-belt and ready yourself for baseless attacks, BRING IT! :0) )

22. A Plastic Box: Keep all of your crap together in one place. Buy a box to hold everything.
That way you don't need to go searching all over the house when you feel like doing some work.
I always end up with my materials scattered up and down the mansion, er, I mean apartment!

23. Your Tek: Finally, the last thing we are probably going to need is the tek you will use to
get everything going. Don't try your first time with only your memory to rely on if it is your first time. Odds are VERY good that you will forget a vital step and ruin a lot of work, and quite possibly some substantial $$$ worth of spore juice.

( Tip: Get some magnets and post all the tek papers you will need to your fridge, this will help prevent them from mixing up + you can post teks side by side to borrow from two or three. I have found few teks complete and up to date that cover EVERYTHING. Newbie Shroomer will have his beginners tek written shortly, depending on whether this tek gets any attention or not. So LQQK for it :)


You are ROLLING in Materials if you buy all this crap, and should want for very little. Part II will deal with my very own beginners cultivation Tek. Watch Out!!!

Thats it for now. I wrote this Tek While at Work on 11/14/2001 within a 5 hour period. I have no written material I was pulling this info from, it was all in my head. I gave credit to those who deserved it, and I had a blast. Anybody has anything to add, HEY! LEMME KNOW! I will give you full credit, and This TEK will be a HAFTA HAVE for the New Newbies. Thats my goal today anyway :)
If you Actually grow a crop of mushies, and I helped with this tek, By all Means send me a spore print!! I'd Appreciate that!

Email me @ PoolFiend@Hotmail.com or pm me at the Shroomery!



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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #459546 - 11/15/01 05:45 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Hey dude, It's real simple. YOU are not QUALIFIED to write a tek. Period! Grow a single mushroom FIRST, and we might TALK WITH YOU! And I stress MIGHT.


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: ]
    #459551 - 11/15/01 05:50 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Listen Boxcutter,


HOW am I not qualified to write a materials tek????
Really????? What am I missing????
What did I do wrong??? Been asking you all afternoon
and you come back with lame replies, give me something I can use.


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #459568 - 11/15/01 06:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

So dude felt like writing a tek. What's the big deal? I have 3 crops under my belt and am trying casing for the first time. Let him have the fun he seems to be having. It's a bit long winded for my needs but what the heck. As far as a newer cultivator following it and being dissappointed, which I am not saying they would, but they might, it would be thier fault for not taking information from a WIDE VARIETY OF SOURCES. Follow the MMGG or PFTEK once to the letter and then do your own thing is how I did it. And I think the "experts" here would agree with that. But some of the "experts" seem a bit "STIFF-NECKED" to say the least. NewbieShroomer is having fun with his tek so I say "Keep on Tekkin" No harm, No foul! At least in my book.


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: Mklangelo]
    #459580 - 11/15/01 06:20 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Very Cool, if not a positive voice, at least a neutral one :)

LOL! Longwinded is my middle name!! * grin! *

Thanks Mklangelo 'preciate your comments :0)


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #459581 - 11/15/01 06:20 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't seen a n00b 'tek' aimed at the idiot element before. Good work.

How does a egotistical arrogant never grew a damn shroom supposed pornographer and part time aspireing narc n00b get his inspiration?


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #459591 - 11/15/01 06:33 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I think that at least some of the negative and frankly rude comments your tek engendered had as much to do with that quite JUICEY LITTLE FLAME FEST you and XAZIA had going as anything else. Do a batch using your tek to the LETTER and post your results with pics of each signifigant step along the way. Like for instance once the jars start to colonize and what day it is after innoculation. What day they are rdy to go into the terrerrium or into the case and so on... But as a true scientest your results must be posted REGARDLESS of their success!!! good luck dude. You got balls! There are some real experts here but MOST of em are pretty nice folks!!


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: JackMehoff]
    #459606 - 11/15/01 06:48 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Aspiring Narc!!!

LOL! Because I told some Trailer trash that I know a cop, that I grew up with, I'm a Narc??? Thats to damn funny. The paranoia kills me!!! * grin * So I will ignore all that, but If I DID see her on the street, I wouldn't call the cops, LOL! But I ain't saying what I would do!!! * laughing! * Sokay, she is prolly back with her loser boyfriend by now, it's been a good 24 hours :0) They can smoke each others dicks and fall back into thier love hate thing....
She never did tell me how many fathers for the three kids...
* shrug * * laugh! *

Lessee... egotistical, yep. arrogant, hmmmm, yep. Professional Pornographer, yep. Aspiring Narc, LOL! Nope! That is so Funny!!! I am branded already, trying to help!!
we'll chuck that one to, has no basis in fact.
Let me chuck a few more in though, rude, sometimes, abrasive personality, yep, obnoxious, yep. And I still feel I can make worthwhile contributions, regardless that morons might
be recieving my guidance, cause, thats the kinda guy I am.

But ahhhhh, My inspiration... ;0)


Excellent question!!!!

When I started I read it all, but for the newbie, you have like two choices. the PF tek and the MMGG. Thats it. No other guides, no material available to the guy who doesn't know squat, so I decided to make a change. I wanted to add a third document to that equasion.
This is my writing style, and the way it is. If I clipped out the fun stuff, it would be a boring document.
Arrogant yea, dunno what I was thinking, tho, if my tek hadn't of been so personal it would have done better in the open market of 16 year olds. But it's to long for the kids to read so they don't like it already from the get go.
While writing this I forgot the main part of the members of the shroomery are kids, I think I blocked that out on purpose. Geez, Now I am regretting writing at all, not only unappreciated, but putting myself in the eye of the storm of the law and a bunch of kids... Oh Boy. Hadn't thought of it that way...

Anyway, I have time to answer just one more comment before I head off to take my iggy to the doctor.



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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #459614 - 11/15/01 06:54 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Sterility is not as important as you think (more so the farther down the process you go), gloveboxes are relatively outdated..etc etc..
wait untill you have grown for a few years before you try to write a tek.. your suggestions are good, and in general well thought out, but this is not a tek.. this is a materials list..
also, a little more humility would help.. "listen to me, I know it all" is a poor attitude, ESPECIALLY when you DO NOT have the experiance to back it up.


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #459627 - 11/15/01 07:03 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I think your tek looks like a kid wrote it.

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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: Mklangelo]
    #459629 - 11/15/01 07:04 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Right on!!! Here we go~!!

I think that at least some of the negative and frankly rude comments your tek engendered had as much to do with that quite JUICEY LITTLE FLAME FEST you and XAZIA had going as anything else.

Yep! It was pretty juicy, Sometimes I like to jump on the net and wade in piss.
She started it, and, I know her type VERY well, I used to date girls like her
when I was in my early 20's. Yum Yum, White trash, filthy house, bratty kids, but the sex can't be matched! Girls like her take it in every orifi*.... Hmmm, getting off track here, haven't had some good white trash in a long time, just reminicing.... * sigh * Sorry bout that!

Do a batch using your tek to the LETTER and post your results with pics of each signifigant step along the way.


Dude, You don't understand.... THERE IS NO CULTIVATION TEK. It is a MATERIALS TEK. Jesus. I am a broken record. READ THE TEK if you are going to comment please, or at least skim it! I have yet to write my cultivation tek.
So For the last time * pulling out the bullhorn " ATTENTION EVERYONE, NEWBIE SHROOMER IS GUILTY OF WRITING A DETAILED MATERIALS TEK, NOT A CULTIVATION TEK, I REPEAT NOT A CULTIVATION TEK! "

Like for instance once the jars start to colonize and what day it is after innoculation. What day they are rdy to go into the terrerrium or into the case and so on...

Dude, that has absolutely nothing to do with what i wrote,

I am so dissapointed in you.

I thought maybe one person got it, and that was you. It's my fault tho, like I said, a bunch of kids i think. I market adult websites for a living, and am used to catering to adults. My Bad.

But as a true scientest your results must be posted REGARDLESS of their success!!!

Yep, I posted plenty of results in the tek... But i'm not even going to explain myself again.

good luck dude. You got balls! There are some real experts here but MOST of em are pretty nice folks!!


I know, what I was hoping for was some critisism from the real experts, and I have none, cept maybe phrozendata, but I dunno if he is even any good, to be honest I have seen him around, but paid no attention to his work.... * sigh *
I am beginning to feel my work was wasted tho... Wellll, I DID have some fun pissing with people, And will have lurid fantasies about Xazia regarding humiliation techniques I know of.... Ah WTF!?!? IT was all worth it!!
And I am still having fun!!!

YIPPEE~~~~!!!!


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: DinoMyc]
    #459636 - 11/15/01 07:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Well You rock Dynomike!!!

Thats the kinda stuff I'm lookin for, and yes it is a tek.

Not only do I list materials but some of thier main and most important uses. Anyways, I learned my lesson. No matter what I learn, this is my last try to help put anything into perspective for anyone here. Well, I do have a few friends here but I advised them to stay away after this morning.

The arrogance??? Big deal, Just a game. Fun!!!Fun!!!Fun!!! :)

Sterility, not as important as i think???? Please, explain that one to me. I'm all ears.

But I goofed, came off all wrong to the kids. Sokay, * sniffle * I'll get over it, somehow, someway.....

I sincerely appreciate your advice, thank you.

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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #459642 - 11/15/01 07:15 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Listen Tight Junior: I couldnt bear wading through the piece of shit. I was just tryin' to be nice but you too much of a weenie puffer for that. If its just a materials tek then its nothing more than the first part of a tek. IT aint a tek untill it makes shrooms. I came to your defense and I did admit it was too long for my tastes. You gotta go right for the bullshit don't ya? I got a pair of shoes older than you asshole. get fucked. You ain't makin no friends here dickhead. You'll have a new nick before long and try to keep yourself in check but you won't be able too. You mindset is too smart-assed. There is one thing about being a smart-ass. NO ONE WEARS IT WELL. Well maybe that Chandler yuppie from Friends but he BARELY pulls it off! Now make sure you make fun of me for mentioning a silly, inane sitcom ok? If your older than 21 I'd be amazed. If you are much older than that you are severely immature for your age. Dry up and blow away. I was cultivating when your wet ass was in high school son. Go away, you bother me...


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: Mklangelo]
    #459760 - 11/15/01 09:05 PM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Right on Mk'


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: Necron99]
    #459997 - 11/16/01 12:49 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Good work Newbie, your tek really covers every angle. It's too bad some people can't appreciate your effort. It's a lot easier to type out a short flame rather than a new tek!


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #460021 - 11/16/01 01:16 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Heh, ok.
I agree with that one dude, that you can write your tek, and so be it. Have fun, you have some good info, but the majority of it is shit. But no harm done!

Anyways, about you calling us kids, I may only be 17, but that's just a number. You may be in college(so you say) but you write like a 14 year old, have the humor of a 14 year old, and generally have childish qualities children have. So who's the real kid?

I know I am being childish participating in the flame war, but that's my personal flaw, I love a good battle of witts. :)


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #460090 - 11/16/01 02:47 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

I find it a very nice write up of the needed supplies,also some good tips on the preparing procedures.
What it lacks is some kind of structure, namely:

1. Purpose and the reason for the guide, short summary.
2. Supplies and Sources
3. The preparation part
4. The Fruiting part

There are also some "doubtfull" points, I?ll come back on this later whan I read the whole thing in detail. But all in all a good basis to become a helpfull and good growing guide for the newbie.


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: Anno]
    #460147 - 11/16/01 05:34 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Anno, I'd follow you into the river!


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: puscle]
    #460157 - 11/16/01 06:15 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

don't let people harsh your gig,
you are acting out of love for others by writing and sharing,
where they are acting out of malice and jealousy.
i'll post your materials tek on my site.


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #460212 - 11/16/01 08:14 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

You have probably typed MORE about the responses you got from your tek rather than the ammount of text in the tek itself. What does this mean? I think you should spend some more of you time on the tek to make it the BEST newbiew tek . Probably to get yourself known , if you really care (no big whoop though). But just so that you dont get people dissing your tek cause it has faults. I think you need to appropriate your time more wisely newbieshroomer.


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: mrdasani]
    #461181 - 11/16/01 05:05 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

It seams like a nice start for a tek.... I recommend you revise it once you've grown and gained the experience so you can give advice or recommendations based on what you've learned hands-on.


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: mrdasani]
    #461183 - 11/16/01 05:08 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

thanks again for the newbie narc lame humor tek


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #461250 - 11/16/01 08:12 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Dear NewbieShroomer,

Much respect for your efforts. I will do my very best to maintain respect throughout this critique, and I warn you now that this will be somewhat critical. (But after all, you invited people for their feedback--not necessarily only their "positive" feedback. I'll try to stay away from the character assasination and name calling stuff, however.)

First of all, when writing anything, one needs to consider one's audience. While some may believe that an "informal" or even "irreverent" writing style would be easier for a "newbie" to connect with, I tend to disagree. However, as I'm not a newbie, I can only try to remember where I was at 7 years ago when I first encountered the PF TEK and got into mycology in a big way.

You've responded to some that you wanted to liven things up a bit--that "other teks are boring". I don't know about the other "newbies" out there, but when I was one, I was looking for well organized, concisely written info that was based on real-life experience.

Frankly, your writing style (for me, and perhaps others) is a total turn off. You seem like you're more interested in being thought of as "cute" or "clever" than giving good info that will help a newbie. Obviously, there are some out there who like this approach--but for me it just doesn't work.

And while some out there have written "Why fuck with this guy? He's not hurting anyone. If he wants to go around peddling some "TEK" that is possibly not a TEK, why get in his face and call him names?" On some level I can get with this sentiment. We live in a moderately free society and you are certainly free to write a so-called "Materials Tek" and have people praise AND/OR criticize you for doing so.

However, the fact that you've yet to grow mushrooms for real raises serious doubts about whether what you've written is coming from a strong place of knowledge based on personal experience. Sure, one can gather info and summarize it...even re-package in a way that you think is more "interesting". Basically, I really couldn't see much value of your tek for anyone, except as fodder for debate and unfortunately, ad hominem attacks.

You've argued that this is a "Materials Tek" and not a cultivation tek, and therefore the fact that you've yet to produce a single fruitbody for all those jars you've got going really doesn't matter.

I would argue that it does matter--and here's why: different cultivation techniques require different materials. It makes no sense to put all sorts of money into a lot of your "must have" items because they are not necessary in many shroom-growing setups. Basically, it is my contention that the required materials for any given approach should be listed in Tek's devoted to these approaches.

You could write a "Tek" that would help people get the basics, especially for those living out in the sticks where some of the supplies may be hard to find--but then you would want to include specific companies who sold by mail order and the like...and by golly, this info is already on The Shroomery! But you could possibly produce a better version.

Instead, while you claim to confine yourself to "materials" you actually end up promoting certain methods over others in terms of cultivation and sterilization techniques, and this is where your lack of experience, combined with a know-it-all writing style, fucks your credibility up big time.

Perhaps if you re-organized this work and removed ALL the cutsie "NewbieShroomer got da BOMB info for ya baby!" stuff, as has been suggested by some, maybe it could be of some use. But as it exists today it's more of an ego-fulfilling vanity project than anything else--and you're certainly getting a lot of attention for it.

To give you some sense of why I think this "tek" has bad info in it, I will go through and note a few items (certainly not all) that are problematic for me. I realize that some of this will be highly opinionated and some other experienced growers out there may disagree with me.

My first objection is to the idea that one should buy everything "up front" so that one has it "just in case". As the process from preparing a chosen substrate to harvest can be a month or more, I think it makes more sense for the newbie to work in "stages". For example, while the mycelium (be it in jars, oven bags, spawn bags, casserole dishes, whatever) is going through its colonization period, the newbie can be researching things like humidification, casing, etc. And as there will be a few weeks in which to do that, one can take advantage of moments of opportunity (like when your neighbor is tossing their fish tank or whatever) and get stuff for free. Plus, even when purchasing items, for people on a budget spreading their outlay of cash across several weeks will be easier to do.

The next thing I have a problem with is the bombastic statement that one's spore source is the most important consideration when entering mycology. It is certainly AN important choice, but is it really "easily the most important" one? Without an explicit recommendation of a particular vendor and a specific strain, most "newbies" will be ill-equipped to make this decision.

And investing in multiple syringes from multiple vendors is NOT essential. I wouldn't even recommend it. Why spend $60 when you don't have to? I have personally used PF for years with no complaints. I put a $20 in the mail and within a week and a half I get two spore syringes in the mail. And with a single syringe and mycelial culture techniques (where one first grows out mycelium on agar, grain, honey-water, etc. and then uses a liquid suspension of mycelial cells to do the actual substrate innoculation) one can grow a lot of shrooms over an extended period of time without having to buy new syringes. Not everyone's going to want to do this--it requires more sterile technique than using spore syringes directly, but its the way I do it.

Oh yeah, I don't know where you're from, but for me "60 bills" is $6,000 and not $60, and even the latter is too much to spend on spores for a newbie. This is one example of many instances of linguistic imprecision that shouldn't be tolerated in any "tek" for newbies.

Your "things to remember about spores" recommendations are almost useless. First all, you should have used the word "spore print" for most of the references and there basic principles of sterility would cover all those concerns. And since when has there been a "popular belief" that one can snort spores to get high? I assume you're been "funny" there--but it turns out that you are just being disinformative when you make jokes like that.

And your little anecdote about a jar sucking up almost an entire syringe only advertises your inexperience...it is almost as if you are bragging about it. Later in the tek you make a statement about it not mattering if canning jar lids are one way versus another. Well...if the seal is against the glass, you are more likely to get the vacuum you described than if the lid is inverted. So the orientation of the lid DOES matter.

Your rationale for going out the gate LARGE--by doing 24 jars instead of 4 or 8, because then even with "massive contams" you will still have some good jars, is highly suspect. No one should get so cavalier about sterility to operate on such an assumption. If you are getting "massive" contams, no matter what the approach, you are wasting a lot of time and energy unnecessarily. I might support the "mass quantities" approach if one can support it with money, space, and time resources--simply because it's fun to have a rich bounty with which one can be super generous with friends.

(Oh yeah...this reminds me of something else that turned me off about your "tek". In intro you discuss doing huge quantities and >dealing< as a possible goal of those using your "tek". First of all, shrooms do not have the high profit margin as some other drugs do, so one has to produce a shitload in order to make any money at it. And such bulk producing techniques are well beyond reach of the average "newbie". Secondly, there are some who view mushrooms as too sacred to become a commercial product. I don't quite agree with this--after all, where are people who don't yet know how to grow shrooms but who want to commune with them without accidentally dosing on an amanita they found in the woods by mistake...going to get their shrooms, if not from someone else? I would just suggest that coupling shroom growing with drug dealing is not going to increase your supporter base.)

Scalpels are cool, but an exacto knife, a small one, works fine. I used exacto knives for years--my main complaint with them is that the blades will corrode with repeated sterilization--but exacto blades are cheap.

Tongs? Never used them. I could see where they might be useful, particularly with "boiling pot of water" sterilization, but I wouldn't consider them essential. I personally use a pressure cooker (PC) and I always let what's inside cool to room temperature before opening. When I transfer things to my glove box (not needed but really handy and HIGHLY RECOMMENDED) I use gloved hands sprayed with bleach...but I've often done the transfer bare-handed without spraying without getting any contams. No tongs required.

Aluminum foil (not tin) is certainly a useful item for many aspects of shroom cultivation. But if you are in the microwave sterilization camp, you may not need it at all...ever. But yes, for most folks this will be a "must have".

Alcohol? Sure, you can use it, but again, it's not essential, unless you're using an alcohol lamp, or are using "open air" techniques and want something to sterilize one's one skin (bleach is too harsh). I never have had much use for alcohol; for flame sterilization I've gotten buy using a butane lighter.

Hydrogen peroxide is become more and more useful in shroom production. However, why would you waste any in a PC when the heat of the process is far MORE effective in killing potential contams than it is? That's like using the pill to avoid pregnancy, and then "pulling out" just to be even more safe. Maybe you have research that supports this, but I see it as more "bad information" that will ultimately confuse a newbie rather than help her.

Alcohol wipes? I never use them--so why would I need a big box of them? In my case even a small box would "last forever" because they are not of much use to me. I think most newbies would get by without these as well.

Lysol. Useful, but again, not necessary. Most of what can be accomplished with very expensive lysol can be done with much more affordable chlorine bleach, diluted with water and placed in a spray bottle. I like to use lysol in places where bleach would cause damage, like if I'm doing something open air or using an oven for a laminar flow hood...spraying bleach around the kitchen migh mess up the finish on cabinets and the like.

The vermiculite part is generally OK in your "tek", although some people are probably better off measuring their water in a formula rather than "eyeballing" it as you suggest. I think with experience the "by feel" approach would be OK.

I don't think telling people at the store that you're growing magic mushrooms is a particularly good "tip".

Paper towels? Well...if your "newbie" audience is so slow on the uptake that they cannot come up with the fact that paper towels are useful for clean-up on their own, then maybe you've got a real audience after all. The word "sterile" is inappropriate, however...especially when you've gone to such pains as to reprint the dictionary definition of it at the beginning of your "tek".

You mention bleach, but you don't really mention its greatest utility--that when mixed with water and placed in a sprayer it makes an excellent sterilization solution, particularly for inside a glove box. And again, if you're going to be sterilizing jars in a PC, why the fuck would you need to chemically sterilize them before hand? Makes no sense (to me). Sounds more like wasted time and wasted effort.

Latex gloves are useful, but the ones you are talking about that are only $3 for a box of a hundred are explicitly NOT sterile (the box usually mentions this). But as you've suggested spraying them with lysol, this should pose no problem. But you've misused the word "sterile" yet again--and if the conditions of sterility are so important (which they are), then it behooves you to use the word more accurately. Believe it or not, I've gotten by using dishwashing gloves! They can be sterilized in the microwave, if chemical sterilization isn't enough. (I don't know if they'd survive a PC; I've never tried that.)

Your tips about tape, pens, paper, etc. are OK. But again, nothing people wouldn't think of on their own. I use duct tape for almost every instance where tape is needed--but as I work in a glove box I don't put holes in jar lids and therefore don't need to use tape at all.

About plastic bags and their use in keeping things less obvious for "the MAN" when he comes "swooping" down on one's growing operation. I think your later advice of sticking all kinds of cultivation teks on one's refrigerator will get raise suspicions first, well before people start opening drawers and cabinets looking for "contraband". But again, this is another case where you might be trying to be "funny" and it's just creating more confusion, hmm?

I love the listerine idea! I think it's ridiculous, but it's sure funny! Just ask your dentist how long your mouth is germ free after gargling with the stuff. I think you'd be far better off making a glove box, or wearing a face mask...or even just breathing with your head turned to the side when doing open air work....although you might like the taste of listerine, in which case, be my guest!

And your last piece of advice might actually be better positioned at the beginning. You write "Finally, the last thing we are probably going to need is the tek you will use to
get everything going". In fact, once you have the desired cultivation tek, you don't need NewbieShroomer's "materials tek" because TEKS usually include the materials needed that are specific to them. I don't see that this "materials tek" adds any significant info.

And as I mentioned, whether from attempts to be funny or a simple deficit of knowledge and experience, there is great potential for a newbie to become confused.

I would suggest, along with some others, that newbies are far better off following the MMGG or PF TEK fairly closely for their first couple runs.

I think NewbieShroomer's heart is in the "right place" for the most part. I don't think he's trying to mislead people. But I do think that being recognized as someone "cool" that others will stroke and look up to is as much a motivation as giving what he feels is "essential" info, and I think his efforts to cater to this audience are precisely where this "tek" fails miserably. He has little experience, less humility, and his "jokes" more often than not can be mistaken as part of his "important info" by the newbie shroom grower.

I think NewbieShroomer could make something useful from this tek by tightening up the language a bit, removing all the non-shroom growing references (like peroxide for cleaning ones ears) and stupid jokes, and then giving more specific info for locating ESSENTIAL items that might be hard for some to find. Aluminum foil is everywhere...canning jars and vermiculite are not. And instead of increasing one's syringe supply by buying spore syringes, why not just buy empty syringes? You can get them easily by mail if you're not comfortable going through a local medical supply place, or if your state has restrictive "drug paraphernalia" laws.

I realize this thread is just about dead, and also that none of you out there know me, and that I may have to earn your respect with subsequent postings. But I do speak from experience, and I've tried to be civil in my criticism of NewbieShroomer's tek without casting aspersions on his parentage or anything of the kind. I will admit that his writing style is really grating and my reaction to it has probably inspired language of my own that is more strident than would best serve the points I've been striving to make.

So I will close by admitting that I'm a flawed human being with my own "baggage" and biases. I know I have probably pissed a few people off in the process, but please remember that such was not my intention.

What we discuss here is so sacred, so potentially transformative of the planet (I said >potentially<) that I have to give great respect to each and every one of you out there who is trying to manifest this beautiful and powerful consciousness.

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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #464080 - 11/20/01 01:04 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

Hi NewbieShroomer,
What are your suggestions for a good, first terrarium setup? My innoculated jars seem successful so far and I need to get a terrarium setup before they're ready to fruit.

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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: NewbieShroomer]
    #464090 - 11/20/01 01:23 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

ya know my friend may also be a newbie but he has had atleast 20 30 flushes so far . but anyways you can't just go around righting facts on a post and calling it a tek. it just doesn't work like that. 4 real


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: mystic1]
    #464097 - 11/20/01 01:31 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

WORD!!


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: coyolxauqui]
    #464135 - 11/20/01 02:32 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

wow :shocked: How long did that take to write :wink:


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    #497951 - 12/21/01 03:32 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

i just had to bring this back becuse i seen the thread views were 666.


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Re: New Tek is complete, What do you think? [Re: mystic1]
    #498198 - 12/21/01 09:43 PM (19 years, 1 month ago)

So? Is that supposed to mean something?



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