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ion generator
#4581456 - 08/25/05 08:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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opinions on this technology, please. will it work as stated or should i still go with the flowhood?
The Dual Element Ion Generator....The new answer for clean sterile air. Those of you who have held off buying HEPA filters, large fans, and expensive glove boxes are in luck. Not only do these items cost a lot, they also cost too much just to operate. However, one must have sterile conditions when working with rich agars, spores, and live cultures. Contamination is the number one reason for crop failure. It is a constant battle against contaminants. Your lab, or growing room, is the battlefield. The enemy is not seen until it is usually too late. The air contains millions of bacteria, molds, and many other members of this enemy. They are all waiting to find somewhere to grow. The agar and grain media you prepare to grow mushrooms on will be most suitable for many of these waiting contaminants. To prove this, all you have to do is remove the lid from a petri dish while in a non-sterile area. After only just a short time, place the lid back. Within just two days, there will be growths on the agar surface. You have met the enemy face to face. But now there is a new weapon. It is a new dual action air ionizer. It is better than any other because it not only generates (shoots) negative ions, but it also collects the contaminants (enemies) with a second element (positive charge) in it's base. It shoots billions of negative ions (negatively charged atoms) that attach themselves in a magnet like fashion to any contaminant in the air which in turn attracts them to the closest positive surface. In this case, the positive base of the generator. If they are outside of the shielded area, they fall to the floor. The ones closer in are actually attracted to the special base collector of this new ionizer. Does it really work? Place a clear glass bowl over the ionizer. Blow plenty of cigarette smoke into the bowl. The instant the ionizer is turned on, the smoke will be gone. It appears to be some kind of trick, but this weapon is for real. This system is just about the only one which can remove and collect dust, pollen, bacteria, and yes, even smoke molecules! Remember that 90% of air pollution particles are under 5 microns. This special Ion Generator will remove particles as small as .001 micron! This is not a typo. .001 micron is correct. It constantly cleans the air. it has no filters to ever change. The contaminants are just held to the wooden base by magnetic force. You can wrap a piece of white handtowel around the base to see it working. Just discard the handtowel and replace with another to check for trash in your air. It cleans 1,500 cubic feet of room! When it is placed inside your home made glove box, you create the utmost sterile conditions. You actually are using "over kill". The flexible emitter allows you to direct ionization where you want it. Now available in "220 Volt" For Overseas and European operations. If you are on 220 volt service, please specify the 220 volt generator when ordering. This unit uses only 1 1/2 watts of electricity. Cost about $1.00 a year to run all the time. UL listed. EPA registered. or  thanks
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I use a SIMCO AEROSTAT XC in conjuction with a flowhood.
 
By itself, the Simco will make any micron size particle floating in air stick to a hard surface, where you can spray a sanitizer like lysol. It is very effective in a small closed bathroom.
You can find them on eBay from $30 & up for a newer model. http://cgi.ebay.com/Simco-Aerostat-XC-Io...1QQcmdZViewItem
RoadKill also uses the same Simco. Ask him his opinion of it.
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Yeah, what agar said
Many labs/growrooms use these in order to clear the air. Its very effective and natural.
Do you know why people say that they sleep better when its raining?
Because the ions in rain drops act as a natural ion generator and clean the air. By doing this, people breathe easier and sleep better.
You can buy all different kinds like a Portable Commercial Ozone Generator
Like agar, lets one of these run for a few minutes or even an hour and then wipe clean!
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Re: ion generator [Re: Lana]
#4581697 - 08/25/05 09:22 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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So, is there no difference between the Simco and this duel element generator? It says that it can take the place of a flow hood or glovebox, I take it would still be best to use them in conjunction with each other? thanks agar and lana
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I believe the unit you describe is a passive one (without a fan). It must operate something like the Ionic Breeze by Sharper Image.
The Simco Aerostat XC Features inherent balance to ?5V, patented emitter point cleaner, on/off ionization status light, 3-speed (70, 95 and 120 CFM) fan, and integrated heater.
In other words, a Simco will move a LOT of air - quickly. A passive unit will not. A Simco makes the Ionic Breeze look like a toy.
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i used one when i was growing pot. all the dust, ect clogs up the holes (stomata?) and reduce the plants efficiency.
i read you get a similar effect from earthing a peice of tinfoil, never tried it tho. i figuret to just hook it up to the earth prong of an inserted plug but for fear of my life i just bought an ioniser.
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Re: ion generator [Re: bubbles] 1
#4583727 - 08/26/05 11:34 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Never had a contam when used in my GB.
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Re: ion generator [Re: hyphae]
#4584294 - 08/26/05 02:29 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I've got an AspenAir A-10-2 never been used. I was fixing to list it on ebay. If your interested PM me.
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wow hyphae, real professional looking glove box.
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I use a fresh air unit made by Eco-quest. They aren't cheep, but they work perfect! This thing works up to 3000 sq ft. Cost about $500.00 - $600.00
Here is a link to it http://www.ecoquestintl.com/corporate_products/fresh_air.asp
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no thanks, i have ended up with 2 simco aerostat xc's from ebay for less than $100.00 shipped.
they are working excellent, and you really can tell a difference in the air quality of my work room and the rest of the house.
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what do u think about this one Im unsure what im looking for so thanks http://cgi.ebay.com/SIMCO-AEROSTAT-XC-Be...1QQcmdZViewItem
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Re: ion generator [Re: mskip23]
#4930556 - 11/13/05 10:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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buy it up bro, i actually bought one of mine from precisiontoolman, good seller imo, fast with the shipping.
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Re: ion generator [Re: mskip23]
#4930934 - 11/13/05 11:46 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Snag that puppy.........
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Re: ion generator [Re: agar]
#4931315 - 11/14/05 04:07 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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i once tried one of the aspenair things, it seemed to work (did openair g2g just fine) but who knows, could have been lucky aswell i guess ? id go with the hepa, that is for sure. peace ohm
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I use a fresh air unit made by Eco-quest. They aren't cheep, but they work perfect! This thing works up to 3000 sq ft. Cost about $500.00 - $600.00
DON'T use Ecoquest *anything*. They are one of the more insidious corporations out there, trumpeting "rainbow-clean air" and selling themselves now as a "Christian" company while facing numerous pending civil suits because their products don't work.
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Great for "unusual" smells in your lab, great for "unusual" smells from your tomato garden in the closet, great for "unusual" incense smells, great for keeping a decontaminated environment for culture work. I can't praise them enough. I have the new Sharper Image unit that releases oxygen into the room as well.
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Here is a negative ion generator that is supposed to cover a whole room for $39. What does everyone think?
http://www.amazing1.com/negative_ion.htm
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Looks like it would work.
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Ionization and ozone go hand-in-hand, since the former generates the latter. But be very wary about specifically ozone-producing cleaning units. The studies on these are far from conclusively positive. The commercial-advertising side of the air cleaning industry (unfortunately the largest side) has seized on every new technology and wholeheartedly supported it because it sells. This is irresponsible at best, and criminal at worst.
Such market pitches go: "Nature's cleaning agent!" "Smells like a clean, warm summer's day after a rainstorm." "Ozone protects us from the sun's harmful rays. (How could anything natural be bad?)" etc. etc. That timeless consumer sense still applies--if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Here're the facts as I've found them. Ozone has been shown to break down a lot of emissions and pollutants in the atmosphere. Ozone is especially useful for removing odors, since it has a slightly sweet fragrance. It can "deep-clean" such things as car upholsteries--this is usually how lingering tobacco residue is removed from car interiors.
The catch: "safe" ozone is useless. In order to be effective, ozone has to be in concentrations > 50ppb (that's parts per BILLION, the FDA-mandated safe level). Unfortunately above this level, ozone is a documented health risk which will irritate your eyes, nasal cavity and lungs. Studies have shown asthmatics to be especially sensitive to this damage.
In health care applications, operators treat ozone-producing air cleaners the same way they do UV germicidal lamps: exit the room, make sure the room is sealed, and set that bad boy full blast. Wait an hour after the unit turns off, and then re-enter. (Ozone breaks down quickly in the lower atmosphere.)
But there's one problem which really precludes ozone's widespread use among hobbyist mycologists: ozone will react with terpenes found in cleaning agents (Lysol, Simple Green) to form formaldehyde in the air. (Formaldehyde is carcinogenic and more common than most people realize, but at >.5ppm it will also cause respiratory problems.) Formaldehyde is a stable compound and does NOT break down, it gets absorbed into carpets and released slowly over an extended period of time. These particles are very small and are not filterable with a HEPA.
Highlights from a Consumer Reports review of ozone-producing ionizers: - "A 14-year study of 95 urban areas in the U.S. found a clear link between small increases in ozone and higher death rates...The study predicts that a 10-ppb increase in ozone over eight hours could lead to roughly 3,700 premature deaths per year in those cities."
- "Ozone levels were measured 2 inches from each machine's air discharge in accordance with the standard. All five ionizers failed the test by producing more than the 50-ppb limit--in some cases, much more... In our lab tests, two ionizing models--the IonizAir P4620 and the Surround Air XJ-2000--emitted more than 150 and 300 ppb, respectively, 2 inches from the machine."
So caveat emptor guys, ozone-producing air cleaners are generally useless if "safe", and are quite dangerous if not. You definitely shouldn't use Lysol or Simple Green, et al., if you choose to use these devices.
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Oh yeah, and Consumer Reports pretty much smashes SharperImage's air cleaners as some of the industry's worst (if best-marketed) products. The Ionic Breeze Professional was found to be next to useless: they recommend returning the product.
(When Consumer Reports first showed the Ionic Breeze to be a sham back in 2002, SharperImage quickly sued Consumer Union (publishers of CR). They lost the lawsuit, and ended up paying CU's legal fees.)
Pay attention to things like CADR (Clean Air Delivery Rate) when shopping around. Consumer Reports and the EPA note that anything less than CADR 100 are inadequate for air cleaning. ShaperImage's products are rated in the 20s I think.
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Re: ion generator [Re: Lacrossa]
#5049962 - 12/11/05 09:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Speaking of cleaning the air, Walgreen's is going closeout on the fragrance-free Oust spray. The stores that sell it are closing it out for $2.19 a bottle. For me the fragrance-free stuff is the best because I don't really like most perfume-like smells. I strongly prefer chemical-like or food smells.
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Re: ion generator [Re: Lacrossa]
#5050510 - 12/11/05 11:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Holy shit Lacrossa, thanks for that information! Last winter I lived with a family member who used one of those ionic breezes and she was a clean freak from hell. Guess what she used to clean the house? Citrisolve! Fuck! I was sick that whole winter with a severe raspy dry cough that wouldn't alleviate. My doctor was prescribing everything from antibiotics to steroids (oral and inhaled) to no avail. My asthma worsened throughout that winter. My symptoms completely subsided after I moved out... This explains EVERYTHING!
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Wow, I'm so sorry to hear about that Mobius. That must have been miserable. Sadly, you're not the first person I've heard about having those exact symptoms (and the same poor diagnosis from a family physician). I know a guy who did a pretty scathing critique on an ozone-generator that his boss ran at his work. It shorted out for about a month and his sickness went away completely. He did some research and figured out that he was effectively being poisoned on the job.
The point is that the ethics factors become really really important in the health care industry, and when it comes to air cleaners the manufacturers cut corners placing consumers at risk. They get away with this because air cleaners are _not_ regulated the way that the medical supply industry is--various FDA standards are very low in most cases.
What happens in industries with no oversight, little regulation and high profit margins? The businesses start making fantastic claims as to the wondrous health benefits of their products to rack up sales. The companies that spring up also tend to be run by the scum of the earth. Someone mentioned EcoQuest above--they're a perfect example. Alpine (Eco's predecessor) made claims of scientific backing that never existed, sold a product that hurt people, and were brought to court in civil suits numerous times and lost numerous times. Alpine spun-off its air cleaning division into EcoQuest, relocated to Tennessee, and thus in their mind sanitized themselves from the negative press associated with Alpine (and the court settlements). The founder of EcoQuest was a former CEO at Alpine. And, predictably, the same consumer complaints come up again and again. Today EcoQuest is primarily a pyramid scheme--there are 150,000 people peddling their skin-care, nutrition, air cleaner, etc. products on commission. They advertise themselves as a "Christian" company.
You will rarely find such a clear case of naked greed and corporate evil.
Some people (usually retailers) dismiss all the science as marginal and affecting a very small percentage of customers. That's simply false. Have you ever sprayed lots of lysol in a room and hung out there? Ever inhaled bleach? Exactly the same negative effects--except Clorox doesn't suggest in their advertising that you should put an open bottle of bleach next to your pillow while you sleep at night.
Moral of the story is, air cleaners are NOT created equal, and this industry remains a very sorry example of companies with an intent to mislead. High price also doesn't equal high quality--quality varies wildly. My advice is to do your research and check Consumer Reports before anyone makes a purchase. (I was going to get that SurroundAir unit on the advice of a Shroomerite before I read the CR review.)
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Re: ion generator [Re: Lacrossa]
#5052048 - 12/12/05 12:01 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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who'd have thunk you could learn something worthwhile in advcult!?
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Re: ion generator [Re: afoaf]
#5059503 - 12/13/05 08:17 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I purchased one of those Aerostat XC units, and tested it on the bad smell of a burning napkin. With the unit off, I lit a piece of napkin and forcefully blew it out about 5 seconds later. A test subject several feet away said the smell was strong and immediate. After the room returned to baseline odor, I tried the same thing with the unit on high about two feet from the unit out of the blow stream. The subject this time observed that the smell was very weak compared to the first time and vanished almost immediately unlike the first time after which it had lingered. I am not sure how the smell was destroyed by the unit, but I am convinced the unit does remove some smelly particles from the air. As the unit provides no net charge to the particles to precipitate them electrostatically via grounding surfaces, I have to conclude it's a different mechanism. Lacrossa suggested to me in a private mail that the mode of precipitation could be electrostatic-induced particulate fusion eventually forming aggregates too heavy for Brownian suspension. That seems reasonable to me.
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Is it also possible that some of the odor is destroyed by the ozone that's generated by the unit?
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Yeah, that might be a big effect really.
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Is it also possible that some of the odor is destroyed by the ozone that's generated by the unit?
I'm leaning towards that conclusion. Running the Aerostat in a closed room for several hours generated very high amounts of ozone in the air. When I entered the room, my nostrils and eyes burned; it went away after 30 seconds of leaving the door open. The literature on the web though says it only generates .005ppm (5 ppb) at 6" from the device. That just doesn't seem right to me.
Based on my experience, I highly recommend NOT running the Aerostat while you're in the room. Exit, set it on a timer or a switch outside the room, run it for an hour or more and then turn it off and wait a few minutes before re-entering.
ALSO: important point for people using this unit. Setting the airflow to HIGH does not increase the charge applied to the electrodes--it only increases the speed of the fan input. Look here for a chart of decay times at certain distances from the unit. There's a pretty big difference (~50%) between the LO & HI settings at certain distances, so it's probably better to set the unit on LO and run it longer.
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Re: ion generator [Re: Lacrossa]
#5064995 - 12/14/05 11:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Also, turning on the heat will lower the relative humidity of the room which decrease the voltage necessary to induce ionization, so I'd run it with the heat on.
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Re: ion generator [Re: Lacrossa]
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The company may acurately state that only a small amount of ozone is "generated" by the unit but perhaps there is a multiplyer effect created by the unit itself. I seem to remember something about this in one of my college science courses but then again it may have been related to combustion engines and ozone.
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I made my own ozone generator for about 20 bucks. It kicks some ass and was simple to make. I plan on using it to blast the 'work' room at some point. In my entertainment room I use the O3 on a timer and a HEPA all the time(as I am a smoker.)
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Re: ion generator [Re: agar]
#5279061 - 02/08/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Roadkill also uses the same Simco. Ask him his opinion of it.
They are absolutly wonderful bro!~
I just wish that I had gotten one when you first told me about them... rather than waiting as long as I did to purchase one.
I've had one for a year or so now.
I have an older home that was built in the 50's... and you can see dust particles floating in the air, this happens alot with older homes. I have to dust the tables alot...I hate it!~
The Simco knocks all these dust particles down out of the air...that are floating around.
I got mine off Ebay for less than $30.00 including shipping.
It was a great investment.
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Re: ion generator [Re: Roadkill]
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im not sure the brand anymore, but i got the unit sold by the fmrc. i am in the process of building a new glove box and it was one of the first things i incorperated into my design
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So does it just cause dust particles to fall? Will micro contaminants also fall to be wiped up? Is it safe to run in same room with fruiting fungus?
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I have the ozone generator that Lana listed= http://www.mycosupply.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=PCOG01 And got mine for $120 on ebay. I don't use lysol or other solvants in conjunction, haven't had any contams, and the house is clean and fresh. Ozone rules.
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Running any open electrical charge through air to to create these "fresh smelling ions" is not good thats ground level ozone you are smelling. I would just stick to hepa filter.... I think sooner or later devices such as the ionic breeze will be put out of production because of the health risks that will result from generationg ozone in your house.
"Ozone from ionizing air cleaners is a growing concern as sales increase. People with asthma or respiratory allergies are especially sensitive to indoor ozone, an irritant that can worsen asthma, deaden sense of smell, raise sensitivity to pollen and mold, and may cause permanent lung damage.
CR tested ionizing air cleaners for ozone levels and for their ability to remove dust, cigarette smoke, and pollen from the air."
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/cu_ozone.html
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Re: ion generator [Re: GNIOM1498]
#5316089 - 02/19/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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hmmmm.. I purchased a SurroundAir system for my cleanroom. It's a HEPA, Ion-generator, UV-light, and Ozone Generator bundled into one. Special Ebay refurbished deal. $40 on ebay,
http://www.surroundair.com/?wcw=google
$200 retail.
I slept in the room last night and I woke up with a humongous difference in clean air. I don't have allergies or such problems, but this was the first morning I woke up with both nostrils unclogged this late-winter.
I keep the ozone on a 30sec every hour timer. Totally cleans out the reefer smell that some of the maple-leaf plants I have are emitting.
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HyphalTryptamin
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Registered: 05/07/05
Posts: 390
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Web exclusive promotion
The Boots Air Ioniser emits electronically charged particles called negative ions - a natural ingredient of fresh air. They will replace the negative ions which are normally present in our homes but are destroyed by static charges from electrical products and synthetic clothing and furnishings.
# Removes pollutants such as smoke, dust, pollen and bacteria, leaving the air fresh and clean. # Ion check indicator # Safe ion emitter - soft, no needles # Fitted plug # 5 year guarantee. # covers 3m radius
* Last available at full price 7th June 2005
Now ?13.99 (Was ?27.99)
Pretty good eh?
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