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OfflineLacrossa
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Re: ion generator [Re: MisterMyco]
    #5049690 - 12/11/05 07:56 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Oh yeah, and Consumer Reports pretty much smashes SharperImage's air cleaners as some of the industry's worst (if best-marketed) products. The Ionic Breeze Professional was found to be next to useless: they recommend returning the product.

(When Consumer Reports first showed the Ionic Breeze to be a sham back in 2002, SharperImage quickly sued Consumer Union (publishers of CR). They lost the lawsuit, and ended up paying CU's legal fees.)

Pay attention to things like CADR (Clean Air Delivery Rate) when shopping around. Consumer Reports and the EPA note that anything less than CADR 100 are inadequate for air cleaning. ShaperImage's products are rated in the 20s I think.


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Re: ion generator [Re: Lacrossa]
    #5049962 - 12/11/05 09:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Speaking of cleaning the air, Walgreen's is going closeout on the fragrance-free Oust spray. The stores that sell it are closing it out for $2.19 a bottle. For me the fragrance-free stuff is the best because I don't really like most perfume-like smells. I strongly prefer chemical-like or food smells.


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Re: ion generator [Re: Lacrossa]
    #5050510 - 12/11/05 11:23 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Holy shit Lacrossa, thanks for that information! Last winter I lived with a family member who used one of those ionic breezes and she was a clean freak from hell. Guess what she used to clean the house? Citrisolve! Fuck! I was sick that whole winter with a severe raspy dry cough that wouldn't alleviate. My doctor was prescribing everything from antibiotics to steroids (oral and inhaled) to no avail. My asthma worsened throughout that winter. My symptoms completely subsided after I moved out... This explains EVERYTHING!


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Re: ion generator [Re: Mobius_Strip]
    #5050754 - 12/12/05 12:43 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, I'm so sorry to hear about that Mobius. That must have been miserable. Sadly, you're not the first person I've heard about having those exact symptoms (and the same poor diagnosis from a family physician). I know a guy who did a pretty scathing critique on an ozone-generator that his boss ran at his work. It shorted out for about a month and his sickness went away completely. He did some research and figured out that he was effectively being poisoned on the job.

The point is that the ethics factors become really really important in the health care industry, and when it comes to air cleaners the manufacturers cut corners placing consumers at risk. They get away with this because air cleaners are _not_ regulated the way that the medical supply industry is--various FDA standards are very low in most cases.

What happens in industries with no oversight, little regulation and high profit margins? The businesses start making fantastic claims as to the wondrous health benefits of their products to rack up sales. The companies that spring up also tend to be run by the scum of the earth. Someone mentioned EcoQuest above--they're a perfect example. Alpine (Eco's predecessor) made claims of scientific backing that never existed, sold a product that hurt people, and were brought to court in civil suits numerous times and lost numerous times. Alpine spun-off its air cleaning division into EcoQuest, relocated to Tennessee, and thus in their mind sanitized themselves from the negative press associated with Alpine (and the court settlements). The founder of EcoQuest was a former CEO at Alpine. And, predictably, the same consumer complaints come up again and again. Today EcoQuest is primarily a pyramid scheme--there are 150,000 people peddling their skin-care, nutrition, air cleaner, etc. products on commission. They advertise themselves as a "Christian" company.

You will rarely find such a clear case of naked greed and corporate evil.

Some people (usually retailers) dismiss all the science as marginal and affecting a very small percentage of customers. That's simply false. Have you ever sprayed lots of lysol in a room and hung out there? Ever inhaled bleach? Exactly the same negative effects--except Clorox doesn't suggest in their advertising that you should put an open bottle of bleach next to your pillow while you sleep at night.

Moral of the story is, air cleaners are NOT created equal, and this industry remains a very sorry example of companies with an intent to mislead. High price also doesn't equal high quality--quality varies wildly. My advice is to do your research and check Consumer Reports before anyone makes a purchase. (I was going to get that SurroundAir unit on the advice of a Shroomerite before I read the CR review.)


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Re: ion generator [Re: Lacrossa]
    #5052048 - 12/12/05 12:01 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

who'd have thunk you could learn something worthwhile in advcult!?


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Re: ion generator [Re: afoaf]
    #5059503 - 12/13/05 08:17 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I purchased one of those Aerostat XC units, and tested it on the bad smell of a burning napkin. With the unit off, I lit a piece of napkin and forcefully blew it out about 5 seconds later. A test subject several feet away said the smell was strong and immediate. After the room returned to baseline odor, I tried the same thing with the unit on high about two feet from the unit out of the blow stream. The subject this time observed that the smell was very weak compared to the first time and vanished almost immediately unlike the first time after which it had lingered. I am not sure how the smell was destroyed by the unit, but I am convinced the unit does remove some smelly particles from the air. As the unit provides no net charge to the particles to precipitate them electrostatically via grounding surfaces, I have to conclude it's a different mechanism. Lacrossa suggested to me in a private mail that the mode of precipitation could be electrostatic-induced particulate fusion eventually forming aggregates too heavy for Brownian suspension. That seems reasonable to me.


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Re: ion generator [Re: Blue Helix]
    #5060121 - 12/13/05 10:37 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Is it also possible that some of the odor is destroyed by the ozone that's generated by the unit?


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Re: ion generator [Re: backupwards]
    #5060239 - 12/13/05 11:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, that might be a big effect really.


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Re: ion generator [Re: Mobius_Strip]
    #5062895 - 12/14/05 02:42 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Is it also possible that some of the odor is destroyed by the ozone that's generated by the unit?



I'm leaning towards that conclusion. Running the Aerostat in a closed room for several hours generated very high amounts of ozone in the air. When I entered the room, my nostrils and eyes burned; it went away after 30 seconds of leaving the door open. The literature on the web though says it only generates .005ppm (5 ppb) at 6" from the device. That just doesn't seem right to me.

Based on my experience, I highly recommend NOT running the Aerostat while you're in the room. Exit, set it on a timer or a switch outside the room, run it for an hour or more and then turn it off and wait a few minutes before re-entering.

ALSO: important point for people using this unit. Setting the airflow to HIGH does not increase the charge applied to the electrodes--it only increases the speed of the fan input. Look here for a chart of decay times at certain distances from the unit. There's a pretty big difference (~50%) between the LO & HI settings at certain distances, so it's probably better to set the unit on LO and run it longer.


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Re: ion generator [Re: Lacrossa]
    #5064995 - 12/14/05 11:00 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Also, turning on the heat will lower the relative humidity of the room which decrease the voltage necessary to induce ionization, so I'd run it with the heat on.


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Re: ion generator [Re: Lacrossa]
    #5073294 - 12/16/05 08:59 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

The company may acurately state that only a small amount of ozone is "generated" by the unit but perhaps there is a multiplyer effect created by the unit itself. I seem to remember something about this in one of my college science courses but then again it may have been related to combustion engines and ozone.


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Re: ion generator [Re: Mobius_Strip]
    #5278460 - 02/08/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I made my own ozone generator for about 20 bucks. It kicks some ass and was simple to make. I plan on using it to blast the 'work' room at some point. In my entertainment room I use the O3 on a timer and a HEPA all the time(as I am a smoker.)


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Re: ion generator [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5278946 - 02/08/06 07:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: ion generator [Re: agar]
    #5279061 - 02/08/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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agar said:

Roadkill also uses the same Simco. Ask him his opinion of it.




They are absolutly wonderful bro!~

I just wish that I had gotten one when you first told me about them...
rather than waiting as long as I did to purchase one.

I've had one for a year or so now.

I have an older home that was built in the 50's...
and you can see dust particles floating in the air, this happens alot with older homes.
I have to dust the tables alot...I hate it!~

The Simco knocks all these dust particles down out of the air...that are floating around.

I got mine off Ebay for less than $30.00 including shipping.

It was a great investment.

tc


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Re: ion generator [Re: Roadkill]
    #5279413 - 02/08/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

im not sure the brand anymore, but i got the unit sold by the fmrc. i am in the process of building a new glove box and it was one of the first things i incorperated into my design


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Re: ion generator [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #5282980 - 02/09/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So does it just cause dust particles to fall?
Will micro contaminants also fall to be wiped up?
Is it safe to run in same room with fruiting fungus?


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Re: ion generator [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5288112 - 02/11/06 08:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have the ozone generator that Lana listed= http://www.mycosupply.com/cgi-bin/shopper.cgi?preadd=action&key=PCOG01
And got mine for $120 on ebay.
I don't use lysol or other solvants in conjunction, haven't had any contams, and the house is clean and fresh. Ozone rules. :laugh:


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Re: ion generator [Re: Cubenisseur]
    #5288375 - 02/11/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Running any open electrical charge through air to to create these "fresh smelling ions" is not good thats ground level ozone you are smelling. I would just stick to hepa filter.... I think sooner or later devices such as the ionic breeze will be put out of production because of the health risks that will result from generationg ozone in your house.

"Ozone from ionizing air cleaners is a growing concern as sales increase. People with asthma or respiratory allergies are especially sensitive to indoor ozone, an irritant that can worsen asthma, deaden sense of smell, raise sensitivity to pollen and mold, and may cause permanent lung damage.

CR tested ionizing air cleaners for ozone levels and for their ability to remove dust, cigarette smoke, and pollen from the air."

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2005/cu_ozone.html


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Re: ion generator [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #5316089 - 02/19/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

hmmmm.. I purchased a SurroundAir system for my cleanroom. It's a HEPA, Ion-generator, UV-light, and Ozone Generator bundled into one. Special Ebay refurbished deal. $40 on ebay,

http://www.surroundair.com/?wcw=google

$200 retail.

I slept in the room last night and I woke up with a humongous difference in clean air. I don't have allergies or such problems, but this was the first morning I woke up with both nostrils unclogged this late-winter.

I keep the ozone on a 30sec every hour timer. Totally cleans out the reefer smell that some of the maple-leaf plants I have are emitting.


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Re: ion generator [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5317071 - 02/19/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)




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