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 Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... 
#4581275 - 08/25/05 07:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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your mind can calculate exactly what your vision could see if you were physically in that position. You have an incredible brain that if you had the energy to concentrate on a possibility you could perceive it to be real it would be. From your perspective sat up, your mind can create a "guesstimated" image of what your person would look like from a different angle.
The above i thaught of - think of it as a mini ephinony - when high an hour or so ago.
It may make sense in the morning im not sure, what do you guys think?
P.S. Don't usually post in here but wanted a more "cleverer" answer and i know you clever people haunt this forum.
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 Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: mikeyboy]
#4581294 - 08/25/05 07:51 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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either that or you really do leave your body and have really have that perspective instead of "guestimating" it.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: nightkrawler]
#4581418 - 08/25/05 08:19 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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nightkrawler said:
either that or you really do leave your body and have really have that perspective instead of "guestimating" it.
yea, its impossible (or highly unlikely) for your brain to be able to guestimate the type of things that oobe's/astral projection travelers experience
one man told of going to asia and learning new martial arts moves from a man there on a mountain
i have also heard of many friends and spouses who can astrally project together and remember almost identical experiences. also one boy who woke up in the middle of the night in a dream, so like a lucid dream i guess, in his room, he saw 2 blue orbs floating near the ceiling and their presence was calling him to come with them. But since he felt like they were invading his privacy, he did not. The next day he found out 2 of his friends had been out astrally projecting together at that same time and had come to his room to get him
i myself am pretty sure its not just a guestimation. i really do think it is a part of your spiritual body (the astral body to be exact) that leaves the physical body for that time period.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: SerioOria]
#4581438 - 08/25/05 08:25 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'm not sure which one of the two ideas i believe. either way, it's an amazing phenomenon. i hope to have one someday.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: nightkrawler]
#4581476 - 08/25/05 08:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have had two out of body experiences. One was on about 1000mcgs of LSD. The other was on 8 grams of shrooms. My problem with it is was it real or just a really interesting hallucination? I did notice that it was quite vivid, and when I would shift to the out of body perspective (the first time on acid) I could no longer feel the effect of the drug...I would feel stone cold sober....a really neat special effect. The guys in my personal animation studio were working overtime on those days.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: nightkrawler]
#4581511 - 08/25/05 08:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have heard that you can actually test this phenomena. Simply tape random cards facing out of a window, project, quickly come back yelling the cards, and then go check if you were right.
I heard (cant remember where exactly, holographic universe maybe?) that they have actually tested this in a lab setting. The experiment consisted of placing odd objects out on the ledge of the hospital building, and people would report back the correct objects. Crazy stuff. I am currently working through "Astral Dynamics" by Robert Bruce, and it has some pretty cool techniques.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Quoiyaien]
#4581552 - 08/25/05 08:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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yea, its pretty crazy
and Huehuecoyotl you should try to astrally project w/out drugs, since you have had the drugs to help you to that level, it should be easier for you than someone like me who has not had that benefit yet
im currently reading 'the secret of the soul' by some guy, ill figure out in a sec, it has a lot of people's testimates and a bunch of different techniques, good read and pretty cheap if ya get it used if ya look for it.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Quoiyaien]
#4581565 - 08/25/05 08:51 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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if astral projection is possible, i'd love to know how to do it! I always fall asleep when trying to leave my body. maybe i should try Hue's 1000mcg's of acid technique. 
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: SerioOria]
#4581572 - 08/25/05 08:52 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have tried in the past. The result was interesting out of body oriented dreams, but they were not lucid.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4581949 - 08/25/05 10:12 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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im still not quite sure to this day if it was an intense hallucination while i slept or if i actually ventured out of my body....... i was tripping pretty good and became tired for some reason and attempted to get some sleep, it seemed like the second i closed my eyes they opened right back up.... and i was instantly no longer tired, layed there for a few minutes, decided to smoke a bowl and go piss, i got up, took a few hits of a freshly packed bowl and looked to my left and saw MYSELF sleeping..... thought to myself, well i must still be tripping preeeeeeettty hard, so i went to piss, got a drink and checked my email, went back, saw myself, laughed at how hard i was tripping and smoked a few more bowls and the next thing i know i wake up a few hours later in the same position with the blanket in the same manner, got up went to the bathroom and all the other morning shit, went to smoke a bowl and noticed that about 3-4 bowls worth was missing, still remembering last night fresh in my head i thought it wierd but pawned it off to tripping, i walked by the computer and noticed my email screen was still up....more wierdness, i checked my in and outbox and i had definately been there this morning around 2am.... i remember the time i attempted to go to sleep was around 1:30. i never really questioned it much more because i could not prove it. really wierd though, it didnt feel like a dream, everything was surprisingly vivid and just as it was the next morning, only my body felt really light like i was semi floating. its wierd seeing yourself as others would.
what do you think? OBE or insane psilocybian dreams???
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: mikeyboy]
#4582039 - 08/25/05 10:26 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree; it's all in the brain.
If people actually think they can really leave their body and aren't just making it up, there's challenges out there you can get $1,000,000 for. I think they'll demonstrate nothing personally because it does occur entirely within the brain, but hey, if you can demonstrate a real supernatural act like astral projection, such as seeing a 4-digit number six rooms away, you could not only become rich but potentially change entire fields of science.
Of course, no one has after all these years, so it's not unnatural for people to cough out "Bullshit!" accidentally during conversations. 
But I agree, the brain is an amazing biological computer. Out of body experiences are just another example of this, as are dreams, visions on psychedelics, etc.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: nightkrawler]
#4582049 - 08/25/05 10:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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nightkrawler said:
either that or you really do leave your body and have really have that perspective instead of "guestimating" it.
Do you believe that you actually travel to other universes and lives when you fall asleep too?
If so, why do we even need such a complex brain? The brain could be much simpler, simply enough to create an ego that can travel to other realities and universes to further build up the "soul" or "spirit" or whatever he's supposed to be. Of course, you could take this further and say if there was a soul or spirit that you are using to astral project, why is there a brain at all?
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4582077 - 08/25/05 10:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have had two out of body experiences. One was on about 1000mcgs of LSD. The other was on 8 grams of shrooms. My problem with it is was it real or just a really interesting hallucination? I did notice that it was quite vivid, and when I would shift to the out of body perspective (the first time on acid) I could no longer feel the effect of the drug...I would feel stone cold sober....a really neat special effect. The guys in my personal animation studio were working overtime on those days.
I once had a remote viewing experience on LSD, but I certainly wouldn't be confident enough in the experience to take up a Swami challenge.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Silversoul]
#4582094 - 08/25/05 10:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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How about a fireworks_god challenge? They aren't nearly as meticulous and challenging as Swami challenges.
In fact, all I ask is that you send me some snack food and possibly some money... that's the challenge....
 
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Silversoul]
#4582104 - 08/25/05 10:39 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've had out of body experiences on dissociatives and hallucinogens before many times; at one period I was extremely interested in astral projection and read books, techniques, etc.
It's actually quite an amazing feeling; my entire body starts by vibrating this euphoric tingling, and then the rising out blows my mind. But from experience, it's way easier on drugs, especially high doses of dissociatives, such as ketamine and DXM.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: mikeyboy]
#4583119 - 08/26/05 04:54 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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once on 2 bottles of robotussin(dxm) i had an out of body experience. i was looking at myself laying on the ground. i thought i was dead. i wasnt obviously...i get what you are saying about our brains, cuz im sure my brain could have been picturing me laying like that.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: psychomime]
#4583121 - 08/26/05 04:56 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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"maybe i should try Hue's 1000mcg's of acid technique."
Even if you don't have the OOBE you still stay entertained...
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: KingOftheThing]
#4583127 - 08/26/05 05:03 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I once took Robo and had an "out of cough" experience.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: mikeyboy]
#4583231 - 08/26/05 08:06 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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OBEs are definitely real. However, OBEs have nothing to do with "guesstimating" the brain or whatever you were thinking. We are truly more than our physical body and we can prove it to ourselves by doing this. The physical body is just a host. I believe OBEs to be the ultimate in expanding consciousness and gaining insight and so on. Drugs are not necessary and can hinder the process. But that's not to say many people don't induce them accidentally or not when they are on drugs. With practice I believe anyone can do it, as long as their conscious and subconscious fears are conquered as well. Astral Projection has been occurring for ages and ages and I believe the statistics are that 1 in 4 people have at least one in their lifetime.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: nightkrawler]
#4583265 - 08/26/05 08:34 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Dude.. You are never in you body..
you can not leave your body..
you can not leave anything..
you are always, all time, at any where you be! :P
(just if anyone wonder, my computer broke.. haha so now I'm on this for 2 weeks..)
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Pmog]
#4583530 - 08/26/05 10:31 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Look up some of the experiments involving phantom limbs. Sensory parallels can make for some pretty odd perceptions. I need to try them myself sometime.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: mikeyboy]
#4583553 - 08/26/05 10:39 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I had the same epiphany walking home on a  evening.
I watched in awe at myself walk up the road!
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Ego Death]
#4584246 - 08/26/05 02:15 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Locus]
#4584595 - 08/26/05 04:03 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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OBEs are definitely real. However, OBEs have nothing to do with "guesstimating" the brain or whatever you were thinking. We are truly more than our physical body and we can prove it to ourselves by doing this. The physical body is just a host. I believe OBEs to be the ultimate in expanding consciousness and gaining insight and so on. Drugs are not necessary and can hinder the process. But that's not to say many people don't induce them accidentally or not when they are on drugs. With practice I believe anyone can do it, as long as their conscious and subconscious fears are conquered as well. Astral Projection has been occurring for ages and ages and I believe the statistics are that 1 in 4 people have at least one in their lifetime.
OBEs are as real as dreams and all of this reality.
Reality isn't automatically assumed; reality is, for all purposes, created by the brain. The brain has to be complex enough to perceive colors and interpret them into our waking life, into perceiving sounds and tastes. The brain is an amazing biological computer.
And if the brain can hold all of our everyday reality, I have no doubt that it could do something as simple as making someone feel like they were flying over a mountain or seeing an etheral umbilical cord connected to them as they float and see memories of dead people. Some dreams, and most definitely our waking reality, require a lot more imagination and energy than that.
The physical body is a host to what? A parasite? If there is an astral body, why do we have a physical body at all? We can survive a lot longer in our astral body and do a hell of a lot more without being impeded by gravity and walls, so in terms of Darwinism it wouldn't make sense to create a physical body in the first place. Unless, of course, the physical body is all there is...
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Ravus]
#4584614 - 08/26/05 04:17 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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The physical body is a host to what? A parasite? If there is an astral body, why do we have a physical body at all? We can survive a lot longer in our astral body and do a hell of a lot more without being impeded by gravity and walls, so in terms of Darwinism it wouldn't make sense to create a physical body in the first place. Unless, of course, the physical body is all there is...
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Swami]
#4584669 - 08/26/05 04:39 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: mikeyboy]
#4584714 - 08/26/05 04:54 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Perhaps the world and universe is contained in your mind rather than your brain.
If so, nothing leaves the body at any time.. you are merely calling to mind a person, place, or thing which is contained in your mind which is everywhere at once all the time.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Ravus]
#4584796 - 08/26/05 05:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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The physical body is a host to what? A parasite? If there is an astral body, why do we have a physical body at all? We can survive a lot longer in our astral body and do a hell of a lot more without being impeded by gravity and walls, so in terms of Darwinism it wouldn't make sense to create a physical body in the first place. Unless, of course, the physical body is all there is...
This is something one can only speculate about. A possible reason for a physical body could be the experience of having one. Considering the Universe is about experience. All experience, without end. Then it would make sense. Who knows?
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Ravus]
#4584919 - 08/26/05 06:12 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: sever]
#4584952 - 08/26/05 06:25 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Because the brain is evidently the simplest answer. If we can explain astral projection as simply being a feature of the brain, then why would you need to create an overly elaborate hypothesis using some external soul that also lacks evidence? It's simply unnecessary.
If it was proven that an external soul to the brain was responsible for OBEs, then we should be able to prove it. The fact that we haven't seems to insinuate that the simplest answer is probably the best in this case, as it is a relatively simple thing to prove; just use a scientific experiment and have people observe things in OBEs they couldn't possibly know about, such as numbers in a room next door they've never been in.
Not to mention you'd need to change the entire field of science really if there was a soul; you'd need to now fit the soul into biology, physics, etc. Why would you expect someone to make such a massive, overly complex change without any evidence to back it up unless they were a Fluffernaut looking for cheap answers and not actual knowledge?
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Icelander]
#4585005 - 08/26/05 06:41 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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The physical body is a host to what? A parasite? If there is an astral body, why do we have a physical body at all? We can survive a lot longer in our astral body and do a hell of a lot more without being impeded by gravity and walls, so in terms of Darwinism it wouldn't make sense to create a physical body in the first place. Unless, of course, the physical body is all there is...
This is something one can only speculate about. A possible reason for a physical body could be the experience of having one. Considering the Universe is about experience. All experience, without end. Then it would make sense. Who knows?
Right Icelander. The human experience, occupying a physical body, and living a life as a human being is all for learning. To learn and experience, to grow and develop the soul further.
Ravus... a host for a parasite? haha, no not at all.. more like a host for the soul. Dreams are as much a reality as our waking lives are. Yes, everything could be in the mind. And with that said, so is the equal possibility of OBEs and such that I have mentioned. Reality is only what we think it is. We have no way of knowing anything for sure. And you can get as subjective or objective as possible or as existential as possible and so on and so on... and there is no proving anything... there is and isn't.. with everything and nothing.
But I'd rather believe in OBEs than not. And in this reality of living as a human one can benefit greatly with the "perception" of going out of body in many ways. One can improve their human reality greatly with the practice of going out of the body... or the perception of..
So I think it's a great thing. Even if it is all in the mind.. so may be everything else.. and everything is only worth what we perceive it to be... and if it is of perceived worth to our perceived reality then why not use it.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Locus]
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So the universe was made just for me?
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Yes Orechron. It's all for you. Let us know who we can serve you.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#4585221 - 08/26/05 07:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why have a physical body?
I've heard it said that the Universe or "Cosmic Consciouness" needs us to be able to realize itself. I'm paraphrasing of course and badly at that, but something along those lines. I think that it may have been Casteneda...
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"So really, ordinary reality is a kind of chemical habit, sanctioned by culture, which says it's okay to use certain drugs, eat certain foods, and have certain sexual behaviors. However, when you transcend all this pre-conditioning by returning to the original wisdom of the animal body, then you discover this immense dimension of opportunity. For some people, it is a frightening risk. To me, that's the psychedelic experience."
Terence McKenna
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: VirgilKane]
#4585256 - 08/26/05 07:56 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Realizing cosmic consciousness through making things real in physical form hmmmmmm (real-ize)? What a novel idea! 
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#4585307 - 08/26/05 08:08 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I agree.
I believe the reason we have physical bodies is because the universe is actual a five-dimensional cage of trillions of ghosts with magical powers. These ghosts grew bored after an infinity of just sitting there, so they all thought of the Big Bang at once, and then the universe blew up out of nothingness besides the ghosts' imaginations! And then after several billion more years had passed, they got bored, so they saw a suitable planet they had created, made little lifeless figurines and projected themselves into these models, making conscious humans!
When we astral project it's just the ghost possessing us leaving the individual body and seeing the true universe, separate from the ghost's mind.
I also believe these ghosts feed on astrology and unicorns, hence they don't need food, water or air to live as long as there's stars and horses with horns.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: orechron]
#4585337 - 08/26/05 08:14 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't know why you say that, because I didn't.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Ravus]
#4585347 - 08/26/05 08:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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So you say you beleive thats where all of the unicorns went to. The ghosts ate them up, huh. I thought you said that ghosts don't need food. Why would they feed on astrology and unicorns if they don't need food?
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
#4585380 - 08/26/05 08:23 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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You can never run out of astrology and unicorns.
And maybe ghosts need food to continue all the running in and out of our physical bodies they do? I'm sure dreams, OBEs and dying take quite a lot out of these poor little ghosts.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Ravus]
#4585407 - 08/26/05 08:31 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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From what I've heard, there's a part of the brain which, when shut off, causes an out-of-body experience. The fact that this happens when it's not working leads me to believe that rather than the brain causing out-of-body experiences, it is instead the cause of in-body experiences.
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Ravus]
#4585409 - 08/26/05 08:32 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Out of Body experiences - It is possible because... [Re: Silversoul]
#4586461 - 08/27/05 02:10 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes that is also interesting, i agree
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The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. ~ Albert Einstein
"Fear is the great barrier to human growth." ~ Dr. Robert Monroe
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