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Does this tek work?
    #4575591 - 08/24/05 06:47 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Ekstaza said:
I'd go with an alcohol extraction.

Just soak the cactus in 190 proof grain alcohol for a few days shaking the contents periodically.

Drain off the alcohol and soak again with fresh alcohol. Repeat this 2 or 3 times, saving the alcohol each time.

Evaporate the alcohol(away from any flame)and you end up with a tar-like substance that contains your alkaloids.

A teaspoon or so is a nice ride for me. I can't say what you may like.

It will taste nasty, but a glass of water will wash away the taste quickly.




Seems fairly simple... Anyone tried it?


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Re: Does this tek work? [Re: deficitism]
    #4575827 - 08/24/05 07:40 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I guess it *might* work, but I've always found this to be the easiest, best method out there:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_preparation5.shtml


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Re: Does this tek work? [Re: Jabbawaya]
    #4575861 - 08/24/05 07:54 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

190 proof everclear may be difficult to find , they dont sell it at all here in FL. The highest proof alcohol you can get here is 151 , and it may be the same in your state.


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Re: Does this tek work? [Re: MaJikFungus]
    #4575990 - 08/24/05 08:25 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

151 will work also, you're just going to have a bit more water left in the final product. Not really a problem.

I've done this method countless times with friends. It has not failed them or me yet. I'm preparing to use the same method very soon again.


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Re: Does this tek work? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #4577894 - 08/25/05 07:10 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I know pedro mescaline content varies all the time. Would this be a good way to see how much mesc is in a cacti? Is the concentrated solution the same does each time? Or is it like the cactus... varies? Basically what I'm asking is would a 6 inch low mesc cacti and a 6 inch high mesc cacti produce the same amount of tar? Or would the low mesc cacti produce less tar.


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Re: Does this tek work? [Re: deficitism]
    #4579692 - 08/25/05 04:02 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

anyone know?


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Re: Does this tek work? [Re: deficitism]
    #4581310 - 08/25/05 09:55 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I would assume that there might be some difference but it wouldn't be huge.

As long as you aren't dosing mescaline hcl extracted using an A/B extraction Tek, you are never really going to know what your dosage is.

But you can estimate.

Depending on you starting material
* Lophophora williamsii - 300 mg / 27 g dried material
* Trichocerus peruvianus - 300 mg / 15 to 100 grams dried material (.3% - 2.0%)
* Trichocerus pachanoi - 300 mg / 15 to 100 grams grams dried material (.3% - 2.0%)

You can make an estimate of the range of dose that you are going to get.

Example
If you use 50 grams dried Peruvian Torch.....
At .3% - 2.0% mescaline content
weakest 50000mg * .003 = 150 mg of mescaline
Middle 50000mg * .0115= 575 mg of mescaline
strongest 50000mg * .02 = 1000 mg of mescaline

With this dosage guide you can see that you may get anywhere from a light to a heavy dose.

Oral Mescaline HCl Dosages
Threshold 100 mg
Light 100 - 200 mg
Common 200 - 300 mg
Strong 300 - 500 mg
Heavy 500 - 700 mg

I know that that is a fairly large variance but that's what we have to go by if we don't extract pure mescaline.


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Re: Does this tek work? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #4583086 - 08/26/05 05:40 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Whats up with Lophophora williamsii? There is no dried grams range. Is that more of a set amount of mesc? If so then why doesnt everyone use this for extractions?


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Re: Does this tek work? [Re: deficitism]
    #4583087 - 08/26/05 05:44 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

NEVERMIND... Lophophora williamsii is peyote... duh

Can the tar be stored in capsules and taken that way?


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Re: Does this tek work? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #4583136 - 08/26/05 07:18 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

If using 151 leaves alot of water, can it also be evaporated? Could I use a hairdryer or some other form of heat?


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Re: Does this tek work? [Re: SweetJimmyBrown]
    #4583292 - 08/26/05 10:49 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

This tek works splendidly! It is simple and requires little to no technical skill. I have found 7 to 8 '00' capsules full of the resulting tar to make for an enjoyable experience...

My additions to the tek:

1. Use a French Press Coffee Maker to soak the cactus powder in. When the time comes to filter, disassmble the filter screen/press mechanism, remove the lid (to allow the press to go to the bottom of the container), place a coffee filter in line, and reassemble. This probably isn't necessary but it helps reduce sediment...

2. Use flour to make the tar manageable...it's a real pain in the arse to cram that stuff in capsules without it...

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Re: Does this tek work? [Re: mycowhosit]
    #5353080 - 03/01/06 12:41 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Bump!

can the tar be dry-ed out into a concentrated powder form instead of using flour?

Does anyone have a pictorial of someone preforming an alcohol extraction?


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Re: Does this tek work? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5353947 - 03/01/06 05:37 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Great info, ekstaza!
I'll be doing the hcl extraction soon, but I'm really wanting to try mescaline, so I may just do the alcohol extraction first, before I get all my supplies.

Assuming the cactus I have is in the 'middle' range, you think an ounce of peruvian torch powder, extracted with alcohol would be a good first-time dose?  I guess if I want some more I could just redose during the trip :smile:

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Re: Does this tek work? [Re: jmg5]
    #5354935 - 03/01/06 10:26 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Bump, Bump!!

can the tar be dry-ed out into a concentrated powder form instead of using flour?


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