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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4575456 - 08/24/05 03:56 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You know what?


I bet Osama would fucking love Utah.


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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4575584 - 08/24/05 04:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I think everyone who has a problem with this should make a personal visit to the sherriff's office and ask to speak with him personally about the matter.


Be sure to give him a flower and tell him all about PLUR.


If about 1500 people did this I think it would really send a message.


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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4575670 - 08/24/05 05:05 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Seriously, I've heard it's hard to get coffee in some parts of Utah. Because it's frowned upon.

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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4575839 - 08/24/05 05:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Nope. There's plenty of java for everyone. The church doesn't want its members to drink it, but they do anyway.


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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4577822 - 08/25/05 03:11 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.music-versus-guns.org/media.html
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http://www.music-versus-guns.org/media.html
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http://www.music-versus-guns.org/index.html
Statements from promoters, victims and dj's

THE Versus 2 (name of the rave which was busted) Forum
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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4577839 - 08/25/05 03:30 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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bukkake said:
"Hey. Where's Osama bin Laden? ... Fuck it. Let's go bust some ravers."




"All law enforcement activity is hereby suspended because BIN LADEN IS STILL IN A FREE CAVE! Until such time as he is captured killed or exhumed there will be no law. That is all. Go about your business."

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Shows where their priorities are.

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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: bukkake]
    #4577976 - 08/25/05 07:05 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Yes. It should certainly be a priority of Utah police to be searching for Osama bin Laden. Because of, you know, that hot tip from the Pakistanis that ObL is hiding out in a trailer park on the outskirts of Salt Lake City.



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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: Phred]
    #4578405 - 08/25/05 10:20 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I saw him dood I think he was rollin


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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4580545 - 08/25/05 04:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

He was "propositioning" kids with drugs and weapons and trying to take advantage of underage women! Good thing the troops got there in time!


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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: Phred]
    #4580564 - 08/25/05 04:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Phred you know its all Bushes fault ;o)


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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4584228 - 08/26/05 02:09 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/401/twocities.shtml ::

Editorial: A Tale of Two Cities

The contrast could not be starker. In Seattle, 150,000 people gather for the two-day Hempfest, with no incidents and no arrests. Outside Provo, a smaller group of dance enthusiasts congregate for a late night rave in the desert, legally, but are literally attacked by a militarized, multi-agency police team.

In Seattle, the official police line was that they were there, in modest numbers, to protect public safety in the event they should be needed. In Utah, the heavily-armed SWAT-like squadron went in with guns waving, brutalized a number of attendees, carted off dozens and shut down the party. Which approach makes more sense?

Observers of the drug war routinely note how raids using over-the-top police tactics can end in tragedy. Surely Utah County Sheriff Jim Tracy is aware of this too. But that didn't stop him from using them. Someone could easily have been shot by the police, even killed, for no legitimate or useful purpose. One of the young people harshly shoved to the ground could have been injured, even seriously; those things happen sometimes too. But that didn't stop Sheriff Tracy either.

My recommendation is to fire Sheriff Tracy. There is too much overkill in policing these days, and too many cases of shockingly poor judgment such as he demonstrated. And it is not the first time Tracy has placed members of the public in danger in this way. It is dangerous to have such a person working in law enforcement, with the authority and legal power to use force, not just in a top position but at any level. Firing him would be a simple act of common sense and responsibility. But don't wait for it to happen.

Instead, lawyers and civil libertarians will work with the victimized ravers to punish the county with expensive lawsuits, and the point will be made that way. But civil rights shouldn't have to be demonstrated after the fact of their violation. They should just be respected. Seattle's police by no means have a spotless history in this regard. But they made a sensible choice this week at the Hempfest. Utah County police in the desert made a truly bizarre choice.



http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/401/utah1.shtml ::

Feature: PLUR Meets SWAT as Utah Cops Attack Electronic Dance Party

What was supposed to be a night of dancing to electronic beats under the stars in the Utah desert Saturday night turned into a nightmare for some 900 party-goers as they were suddenly attacked by 90 Utah law enforcement officers dressed in combat gear and carrying assault rifles. The PLUR (Peace, Love, Unity, Respect) kids proved to be no match for the paramilitarized SWAT teams that descended on them on the orders of Utah County Sheriff Jim Tracy.


The event was shut down at gunpoint and some 60 people were arrested, although only 21 of them for drug or alcohol violations. Many more were brutalized, according to numerous eyewitness accounts. Sheriff Tracy claimed the dance party was an illegal gathering without a permit -- a claim vigorously denied by the promoter -- and that illegal drug use was observed by undercover agents at the party.

"It's not just a mass gathering, there's illicit use of drugs, distribution of drugs," Utah County Sheriff's Sgt. Darren Gilbert told the Deseret Morning News early this week as questions began to be raised about the raid. "There was a lot of criminal activity just going on at the party itself."

Many early eyewitness accounts described the police as "soldiers" or "National Guardsmen" because of their rough tactics and combat uniforms, but no members of the armed forces were involved, according to Utah County authorities. Instead, the strike force consisted of Utah County Sheriff's deputies, Utah State Police members, a Utah Department of Corrections SWAT squad, and Provo city police. Police officers acted brutally and violently, pointing guns at some party-goers and assaulting others, eyewitnesses said.

Salt Lake City resident member Jonathan Meander, the Utah director of DanceSafe, a harm reduction group that works with the dance culture, was one of the hundreds who had arrived at the party before the big bust. "About 11:30, a helicopter circled the party and people started to scatter," he told DRCNet. "The cops started coming in with cammo gear and assault rifles and dogs and tear gas, and they were yelling and pushing and hassling people. If you tried to get your stuff, you got hit. I saw people get beaten to the ground. They were also trying to prevent people from filming them. The way we got the footage that has made its way to the Internet is that one guy was filming and a cop knocked the camera out of his hand, and one of his friends grabbed the camera and ran away," Meander said.

"I am disgusted. I saw a lot of stuff that just wasn't right," said Meander. "We wanted to go dancing in the desert, and they come with their assault rifles and beat us up."

The assault is being denounced by national organizations that support the dance culture, as well as by civil liberties and drug reform groups. "That raid was atrocious," said Marc Brandl, national director of DanceSafe. "This was harm maximization. If law enforcement had any concerns, they could have brought them up beforehand, instead of ruining these young people's lives," he told DRCNet. "This wouldn't have happened if it had been a Neil Young concert. This is an attack on rave culture, but the more they crack down, the more they drive it underground."

"Throughout American history, our government has attacked every new form of youth music, including jazz, hip-hop, rock and roll, and now electronic music," said Abby Bair, outgoing Outreach Coordinator for Students for Sensible Drug Policy. "A person is no more likely to use drugs at a 'rave' than at a Rolling Stones concert," she told DRCNet. "Fifteen years from now, Americans will look back on the rave laws to see them for what they really were: an absurd effort to criminalize youth culture and a direct violation of 1st Amendment rights."

In the meantime, said Scott Morgan, associate director for Flex Your Rights, a group devoted to teaching people how to effectively exercise their constitutional rights in police encounters, the only recourse may be the courts. "There isn't much we can do to prepare citizens for an experience like this," he told DRCNet. "When law-enforcement chooses to attack rather than protect citizens, the only thing you can do is keep suing them until they can't afford helicopters and camouflage battle-suits."


The attack on Versus II, a challenge of the DJs organized by promoter Salt Lake City promoter and record store owner Brandon Fullmer, is the latest escalation on what has become an all-out assault on dance music parties and the "rave culture" by authorities in Utah County. Located just south of Salt Lake City, the county prides itself on being the most conservative in the nation, and the Mormon-dominated county wants nothing to do with electronic dance music and the youth culture that enjoys it. The Utah County Sheriff's Office reported proudly that it had shut down two previous dance parties this summer. According to the Salt Lake Tribune, Utah County cops wanted to "get their point across that such activity was not welcome in their area."

This is not the first time Sheriff Tracy and his SWAT team have been accused of excessive force. In May of this year, the Utah County SWAT team manhandled a Springville family when it erroneously raided their home. In documents filed as part of a federal lawsuit last month, the Lawrence Chidester family claimed their adult son, Larry, was tackled and his face shoved into the ground and rocks although he was standing with his hands in the air repeatedly saying "I am not resisting." The Chidesters also allege SWAT members threw homeowner Lawrence Chidester to the ground and pointed a gun at his head. While the SWAT team was aiming at the house next door, Sheriff Tracy justified the assault on the Chidesters by saying they became involved "as an ancillary issue." They were lying, anyway, he told the Provo Daily Herald.

The Utah County Sheriff's Department public relations machine was in high gear from the get-go. Sgt. Gilbert warned reporters that "raves" are a serious threat where drug use and underage drinking take place. "Reports of sexual assaults, overdoes, firearm violations, vehicle burglaries," also are to be expected, he said. At Saturday's party, a 17-year-old girl overdosed on Ecstasy, but was treated at the scene and released to her parents, he said. Gilbert also mentioned claims from women to have been sexually assaulted at an earlier party. An earlier party in nearby Little Moab had attracted 3,000 people, and the department wanted to avoid that, he said. "There's no doubt in my mind that this one could have been at 2,000 plus (people)," he said. "That's why we hit it so early."

Even in the wake of the raid and the rising clamor about Utah County assaults on the dance culture, Sheriff Tracy told the Salt Lake Tribune his office monitors the Internet, searches for party flyers, and sends up police helicopters in an effort to snuff out such gatherings. "If they're going to run one on a Wednesday night, we'll find it," he said. "We will ensure we find them and have them curtailed before they ever get to that point."

But the sheriff may have bitten off more than he can chew. The Utah dance party community is aroused, and no one more so than event promoter Brandon Fullmer, also known as DJ Loki. "The police were totally out of line," he told DRCNet. "What they did was totally uncalled for. There was no reason for them to use excessive force. They may deny it, but we have it on video. They came in without a warrant and manhandled people, including a 90-pound girl who got beat down. How are we supposed to respect the police when they come and treat us like criminals?"

Fullmer has hired noted Utah civil rights attorney Brian Bernard and plans to file a lawsuit, he said. "Our attorney is reviewing the case right now, and once we figure out how to proceed, then bam! We will take action. I've been doing this a long time and I make sure to cover everything. They've shut down other shows, and I understand that. But when I do everything needed to make this legal, they are not right to shut us down."

Fullmer disputed the sheriff's office statement that he lacked a permit. "They are saying I didn't have my permits, which is a flat-out lie," he said. "I'm not some kid; I'm a businessman and I've been doing these events for 10 years. We were in complete compliance with the requirements of Utah County."

The Utah County Sheriff's Office claimed that the event was not properly permitted because under county ordinance, events with more than 250 people must receive a permit from the county commission. But the sheriff's office was being intentionally misleading, said Fullmer. "The county law says you need the permit if you're going to have more than 250 people and the event is going to last more than 12 hours, but our event was not scheduled for more than 12 hours, therefore we did not need that permit."

Versus II had done everything required of it, said Fullmer. "We had a permit from the county health department, we had emergency medical technicians on scene, we hired security licensed through the state of Utah. By the way, six of those arrested were our security people. They had confiscated drugs from party-goers and the cops arrested them for drug possession for the drugs they confiscated!"

Fulmer and his attorney aren't the only lawyers examining the raid. "We have a lot of problems with how that entire matter was handled. We are extremely concerned, especially about the excessive force issues, as well as about the apparent attack on free expression and free assembly" said Dani Eyer, executive director of the Utah American Civil Liberties Union. "We have received complaints and are gathering stories and are in internal discussions about how to proceed."

Utah County Sheriff Tracy managed to shut down one more party, but in doing so he was brought unintended and unwanted attention to the county and his department. Now the question is how much the taxpayers of Utah County will have to pay for his attacks on young Utahns.


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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: geokills]
    #4585533 - 08/26/05 09:20 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Fuck, I didn't realize that only 21 of them where for drug charges.
But I mean in the end all they show off on the news is like 10 joints, 3 pills, 7 or 8 pipes, and 1 fake bill.

(mind you that person might have had NO clue the bill was fake, and you can't get anything more severe then probation for under 2 thousand. 1 bill is fucking nothing really.)

That just makes it worse.

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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #4585592 - 08/26/05 09:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Phred you know its all Bushes fault ;o)



It is, actually. He installed members of his administration that are infatuated with jailing any and all drug users and support the bludgeoning of, I'm assuming, scrawny ravers blitzed out of their minds with glow sticks. Or have they made glow sticks illegal yet?

And no. I don't do drugs and I'm not a liberal. So spare me the, "u liberals just wanna like, legalize marijuana and b peaceful" line.

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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: bukkake]
    #4585703 - 08/26/05 10:14 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Phred you know its all Bushes fault ;o)




It is, actually. He installed members of his administration that are infatuated with jailing any and all drug users




Drugs have been illegal, people have been jailed for these drugs, and the police have used the same tactics for much longer than Bush has been in office.

Also, the authorities that conducted the raid of this party WERE NOT federal, they were local. That means that neither Bush nor the people he appointed had any part in this.


By 11:30 p.m., more than 90 law enforcement officers and SWAT team members from Utah County, Provo, and the Utah Department of Public Safety shut down the party.

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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4585740 - 08/26/05 10:23 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

That is all true. However, the DEA and other local law enforcements have been much more enthusiastic and our current and former Attorney General of the Bush administration have fought much more vigoriously to annex all substances and throw every user in jail. The drug war has definitely been stepped up ever since he came into office.

Case in point this story. Wrestling ravers to the ground. I wasn't implying Bush gave direct orders to bust the party.

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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: bukkake]
    #4586775 - 08/27/05 06:55 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

fuck the police

I have much respect for alot of officers, some of them are really cool, and help keep our place of living safe and worry free. I know that they are only doing their job, and its the policy makers that are to blame. Just as the cashier at mcdonalds should not be bitched at because of the Chicken Select prices.

If I was there and a cop woulda touched me or anyone else in a way that was threatening, I would not hesitate to find out where he lives and put a bullet in his head. There is no reason to shut down this party, let alone use violence to do so, im sure the people would leave without guns. Police need to stop overstepping their boundaries, and stop using excessive force to do so.

I wish there was more people could do, you can only bitch do someone so much, but honestly it wont work. People in power want to stay in power, and in a conservative state like Utah, I doubt the powers feel like the young raver crowds are going to ruin their votes, im sure they have far more positive mormon backing from such raids.


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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: bukkake]
    #4587014 - 08/27/05 10:16 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You fail to make any point. When has any administration steped down the drug war?? Clinton put away just as much druggies as anyone else. Clintons administration and his appointed Attorney General Janet Reno is responsible for Waco Texas. The attrocities commited there as well as Ruby Ridge and the Elian Gonzalez home invasion. Bush and Ashcroft haven't done anything even remotely as heinous against their own citizens. Ashcroft busted a couple of headshops and put Tommy Chong in jail wow.


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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #4587126 - 08/27/05 10:56 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

An Elian Gonzalez reference? What does that have to do with anything? John Ashcroft filed a case against a medical marijuana user, shut down head shops, advocated the illegalization of glow sticks under the guise of drug paraphernalia, and fought for tougher minimum mandatory sentences. I have never said Clinton was a good man or took it easy on drug users.

If you read what I am saying, it is all a very valid. The war on drugs is being fought with much more vigor with this current administration. Do you just not want to acknowledge George W. Bush may have a poor domestic policy?

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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: bukkake]
    #4587150 - 08/27/05 11:09 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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If you read what I am saying, it is all a very valid. The war on drugs is being fought with much more vigor with this current administration.




As it will be in the next administration whether its a Democrat or Republican administration. What does Elien have to do with anything? Well how about they fucking kicked in his familys door with federal agents to come and take him back to communist cuba despite the wet foot dry foot policy that is granted every other cuban child or adult? Clinton pussied out under pressure something Bush wouldn't do. Also I like how you offered no excuse for Waco or Ruby Ridge. Do you just not want to acknowledge Clinton had a poor domestic policy?


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Re: Police Brutality In Salt Lake City, (Doccumented on Video.) [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #4587236 - 08/27/05 11:48 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think Bush really cares to tell you the truth. I mean he's just a figure head, that is contently on vacation. He even went to Salt Lake City the next day, didn't even mention it.

I bet his advisers know, but they certainly are not to blame here. It's a society that is set up being anti-drug user and anti-gay. What do you see at alot of parties? Drug users and gays.

Oppressive societies always try to destroy youth culture. The Nazi's did the same thing with it's swing culture. Only then there excuse was because swing music was made by Blacks and Jews. Now they oppress us because of the drug users and gays.

One would wonder, once the world starts to get over the fact that there are always going to be drug users and gays... (and people that like to dance to loud music) What will be the next target of oppressive regimes?

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