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InvisibleKingOftheThing
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deepak chopra (sp?)
    #4573802 - 08/24/05 02:11 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i dont know much about this guy...other than he is involved with celebrities. i saw him on CNN tonight, it was a debate about creationism. he really impressed me, the guy has some cool ideas. im going to do some research...you guys have any opinions on him?

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #4573922 - 08/24/05 04:18 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i like him. some people think he's full of it though.

he seems like a really nice guy though.

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: MJF]
    #4573967 - 08/24/05 05:46 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

"he seems like a really nice guy though. " said Bob.

Little did Bob know that his "nice guy" next door neighbour was secretly kidnapping little children, and torturing them in a private dungeon within his basement.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Sinbad]
    #4573971 - 08/24/05 05:48 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Nice comment Sinbad. :lol: I was wondering where your head was at these days.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: MJF]
    #4574010 - 08/24/05 06:55 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i like him. some people think he's full of it though.

he seems like a really nice guy though.


Con men that are not seemingly really nice guys, fail. Charisma is a crucial element, just as with politicians and televangelists.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574022 - 08/24/05 07:06 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Morning Swami.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Icelander]
    #4574074 - 08/24/05 07:48 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

How is our Church/revival meeting/road show coming along?


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574118 - 08/24/05 08:29 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Get with Veritas. She needs to be the ringleader. You and her are the brains. I'm the 5th business. ( an old showbiz term, it's a bit of trivia I bet you don't know offhand)?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Icelander]
    #4574389 - 08/24/05 10:22 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Deepak Chopra is a great being in my opinion. I have read alot of his books and listened to many audio books of his. check out chopra.com forum.

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #4574464 - 08/24/05 10:49 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post4429113

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post4433109

I really enjoy reading his ideas. He has a playful attitude about life which I cultivate in myself.

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Veritas]
    #4574482 - 08/24/05 10:53 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Deepcheck Ophra, is just another person to learn from. He is human so has some failings or such. Who cares, if your not intent on worshiping the guy, but just gathering info for your own trip.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Veritas]
    #4574520 - 08/24/05 11:06 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

He has a playful attitude about life which I cultivate in myself.
He bilks people out of millions with an endless stream of false claims of levitation, healing and perfect health. Millionaires, despite popular mythology, are generally happier than those of average means.

He has no studies to back up his claims, merely his word.

DeepSix: "If you have happy thoughts, then you make happy molecules."
There is no such thing as a happy molecule. They are indistinguishable from one another and have no emotional state.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574526 - 08/24/05 11:09 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Does he really say he levitates? I have never read the guy, but that would be a hoot if he really claims this. :grin:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Icelander]
    #4574534 - 08/24/05 11:14 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You doubt my word though I have given no reason to? *sigh* I do not ever need to fabricate to make my case. Do a web search and the answer is there.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574551 - 08/24/05 11:20 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
You doubt my word though I have given no reason to? *sigh* I do not ever need to fabricate to make my case. Do a web search and the answer is there.




Ha Ha! You're joking right? *sigh*


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Icelander]
    #4574564 - 08/24/05 11:25 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Why would I joke about doing a websearch? Must I provide the link for you? Does momsie cut your steak for you and spoonfeed you too?  :rolleyes:


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574574 - 08/24/05 11:27 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

He "bilked" me for a about $120 in books over the years and they were WORTH EVERY penny and then some. I'd buy them again!

I have happy molecules! :cool: Just say that out loud and you start feeling better already. It works Great. :thumbup: Try it. I get a tingly rush, how bout you?

Swami, can you refer me to where he teaches one how to levitate. I never came across that. I read Quantum Healing, Ageless Body Timeless Mind, the Return of Merlin and The Seven Spiritual Laws of Parenting. I missed the levitation stuff.  I want to give that whirl. :fairy:

Ya know, this man grew up in India. If he says he saw some yogi dude levitate, how I can call a bluff. I wasn't there. I don't have to believe that either nor do I need proof if I want to believe it. I'd like to get my hands on some actual instruction and experiment with it myself.

I've put tons of his insight to work for me though. Without some of his ideas about recognizing our brain as being the greatest walking pharmacy on the planet, I never would have become the shroomless shroom head I am today. :kiss:

Hahaha did you catch the one about some women who are pissed at him for getting Kundalini burn? That was a good one! There are people who don't even believe in kundalini energy and then we have people accusing Deepaks kundalini meditations of burning their nervous system?

What a crazy world we live in. Anyone having fun yet?


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Edited by gettinjiggywithit (08/24/05 11:34 AM)

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574582 - 08/24/05 11:29 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Why would I joke about doing a websearch? Must I provide the link for you? Does momsie cut your steak for you and spoonfeed you too?  :rolleyes:




You're kidding right? :rofl2:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574585 - 08/24/05 11:30 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You say either and I say either,
You say neither and I say neither
Either, either Neither, neither
Let's call the whole thing off.

You like potato and I like potahto
You like tomato and I like tomahto
Potato, potahto, Tomato, tomahto.
Let's call the whole thing off

But oh, if we call the whole thing off
Then we must part
And oh, if we ever part, then that might break my heart

So if you like pyjamas and I like pyjahmas,
I'll wear pyjamas and give up pyajahmas
For we know we need each other so we
Better call the whole thing off
Let's call the whole thing off

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4574625 - 08/24/05 11:44 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I have happy molecules! Just say that out loud and you start feeling better already. It works Great. Try it. I get a tingly rush, how bout you?

A tingly rush is a self-induced emotional state. Would you care to wager that not a single chemist in the world could identify a happy molecule?

See - here's the deal: one cannot mix science and poetry at the same time and have it make any real sense. He cannot pretend his metaphors are backed by empirical evidence when they are not.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574643 - 08/24/05 11:50 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

It made sense to me. Why can't he say it?

If he says you will have happy molecules then that means the molecules are experiencing the emotion of happiness. What made you think a chemist was suppose to find an emotion in a molecule anyway?


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4574649 - 08/24/05 11:51 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, and do you have a link for where Deepak said that a chemist can detect happiness in a molecule?


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4574659 - 08/24/05 11:54 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I listed the exact quote especially for you. Did you not read it? If it can't be detected, then he just made it up. This sort of fabrication is not science, it is technically called Bull Shit.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574690 - 08/24/05 12:04 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I read the quote.

I asked you for a link where he claimed science could back up detecting a happy emotion in a molecule.

If he didn't say THAT, then he was not falsifying scientific claims.

He is allowed to be a philosophical poetic.

All philosophy and poetry is bullshit. Doesn't mean we can't become inspired by it to feel good.

Perhaps Deepak isn't for everyone. :shrug: He comes from a place of recognising unmanifest potential and the experiential. When you understand where he is coming from, all of his stuff makes sense. He has a philosophical and metaphorical approach and if one is cut from the same mold, they "get" him or shall I say, get from him.

I appreciate the insight I have been able to draw from him over the years.

edit typos


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Edited by gettinjiggywithit (08/24/05 12:12 PM)

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4574701 - 08/24/05 12:09 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

To: The Skeptic

IMO the key to "testing" non-scientific ideas is to attempt to apply them to your life.

No effect? Ok, they don't work for you.

This is logical, not fluffy. True logic does not reject exploration, nor decline to use more than one tool for that exploration.

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Veritas]
    #4574719 - 08/24/05 12:14 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Why you reply that to me?

I test stuff out for myself. Keep what works, trash what I can't get to work.

You know I'm a Deepak fan!


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4574724 - 08/24/05 12:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry, girlfriend. I used QR and didn't notice you had posted since The Skeptical One. (see my edit).

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4574725 - 08/24/05 12:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

No fighting girls. Unless I get rights to sell the video.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Veritas]
    #4574729 - 08/24/05 12:17 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

OK, sounds good, but here are the facts: there is no limit to self-deception.

Case-in-point: Some half-billion Extenz pills have been sold to allegedly make the male member physically longer. This is an impossibility without surgery. Length is genetically predetermined and no herb can alter that. This is fact.

This and similar products are still selling like wild based upon erroneous anecdotes and good marketing hype.

Your premise that people can decide what works and what doesn't based simply on self-examination and/or feelings is in error.

This is merely one of limitless examples. Astrology also falls under this category.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4574735 - 08/24/05 12:20 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, maybe you were replying to my comment about philosophy and poetry being bullshit. I meant in the sense that it doesn't come out of a traditional chemistry lab.

It does come out of a persons personal explorations, curiousities, discoveries, and test in the experiential though.

People are walking, lvining breathing chemistry labs to me. Peoples natural sense to explore, discover, put things to the test and be curious make them natural scientists to me as well.

That's what Deepak is all about, "experiencing" unmanifest potential.

In this sense, the experience is all the proof one needs to be satisfied with the philosophy, metaphor or poetry.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574743 - 08/24/05 12:23 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Penis enlargement pills?  Is that the best you can do?  Sorry, you chose something scientifically measurable, therefore prone to being disproven using scientific methods.

How can you measure the validity of using your mind to affect your experience of life?  TRY IT!  Who knows, maybe your member will grow right along with you.  :wink:

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574745 - 08/24/05 12:24 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
OK, sounds good, but here are the facts: there is no limit to self-deception.

Case-in-point: Some half-billion Extenz pills have been sold to allegedly make the male member physically longer. This is an impossibility without surgery. Length is gentically predetermined and no herb can alter that. This is fact.

This and similar products are still selling like wild based upon erroneous anecdotes and good marketing hype.

Your premise that people can decide what works and what doesn't based simply on self-examination and/or feelings is in error.

This is merely one of limitless examples. Astrology also falls under this category.




King of the Hill asked about Deepak in this post.

We have been asking you to post links to where Deepak made false scienfic claims.

We have been asking you for links as to where he teaches people how to levitate or even says he himself has.

This post is about Deepak Chopra, not astrology or penis enlargement.

Deepak doesn't teach astrology and he was a medical surgeon and would laugh at penis enlargement creams.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Icelander]
    #4574749 - 08/24/05 12:27 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
No fighting girls. Unless I get rights to sell the video.




Cool your jets. The thought of Veritas and I fighting as opposed to clearing up communication misunderstandings is laughable. She rocks!


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574758 - 08/24/05 12:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
OK, sounds good, but here are the facts: there is no limit to self-deception.

Case-in-point: Some half-billion Extenz pills have been sold to allegedly make the male member physically longer. This is an impossibility without surgery. Length is gentically predetermined and no herb can alter that. This is fact.

This and similar products are still selling like wild based upon erroneous anecdotes and good marketing hype.

Your premise that people can decide what works and what doesn't based simply on self-examination and/or feelings is in error.

This is merely one of limitless examples. Astrology also falls under this category.




You can decide based on trial and error. Not everyone is prone to self deception. Those who are, are not truly using trial and error. You always go to the lowest common denominator to prove your point. I choose to go to the best and say that they can do it. But even then mistakes are part of the learning/growth curve. If you are truly using trial and error you will not stay lost for long.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4574759 - 08/24/05 12:29 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

He's just mad because I wouldn't fight him on the "could you kill someone" thread. :grin:

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Veritas]
    #4574761 - 08/24/05 12:31 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I will have my revenge. And defend my honor. :mrt:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Veritas]
    #4574782 - 08/24/05 12:41 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry, you chose something scientifically measurable, therefore prone to being disproven using scientific methods.

Here we are discussing a very specific desired result and yet huge numbers still convince themselves that something is working when it is not.

You and Jiggy are discussing something not at all specific, which makes one EVEN MORE susceptible to self delusion; not less, as you intimate.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574793 - 08/24/05 12:44 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Why does it matter if it is "self-delusion" or a subjectively measurable positive effect?

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574814 - 08/24/05 12:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Swami, if one experiences results to their satisfaction then the goal has been met.

You either feel good or you don't. So what if you talked yourself into feeling better then actually do? It's a good thing.

Verities nor I advocate ignoring the self through self deceptive means. Neither does Deepak. To the contrary, it's about paying better attention to the body and giving it the attention it is asking for.

In Deepaks quantum healing book, he discusses his work with cancer patients. He has them treated at his Ayurvedic clinics AND by modern medicine.

He doesn't tell them to act as if they don't have cancer.

In his Ayurvedic practice, he teaches one to face and explore the self, not ignore it.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Icelander]
    #4574843 - 08/24/05 12:56 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Not everyone is prone to self deception.
How can you be sure? Only billions of humans are.

Those who are, are not truly using trial and error.
OK, how do I test for a happy molecule?


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574864 - 08/24/05 01:02 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Hmmm...why don't you lay down on the analyst's couch, my dear.

When did you first begin to feel that your molecules weren't happy?

:grin:

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4574867 - 08/24/05 01:03 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

So when Deepak paraded Mirian Thompson, a woman with breast cancer, on the Donohue show as "proof" of methods and she died not long after the show; this tells us what exactly? Mirian was spreading the word of how she was cured and yet deceived herself. How is this evidence of any sort of breakthrough in mind-body connection?

Here is the PERFECT NEW AGE double speak:

A. If she survived then her faith was what did it.

B. If she died, then her faith was not strong enough.

The real fact is attitude and affirmations do not cure cancer.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574885 - 08/24/05 01:07 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Swami, if you are looking for empirical evidence beyond the experiential then, Deepak is not for you.

Experience is all we have to go on in the end. Even an empirical test is an experience. Some of us choose not to wait for science to come up with the measuring tools to test the meta physical and forge ahead. For some, the experiential results are enough.

If they are living wonderful lives through their own eyes, then what else matters to them? They made it and have the formula, even if it can't be empiracally tested yet.

And you are going to tell them they are wrong? They'll laugh and keep at the alchemy of life.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574902 - 08/24/05 01:12 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Not everyone is prone to self deception.
How can you be sure? Only billions of humans are.

Those who are, are not truly using trial and error.
OK, how do I test for a happy molecule?




I said prone not immune. Everyone would also include you.


Well, like you I would look to what science knows about it. Then I would look to my own experience on how my thoughts alter my experience. Then I would look for ways that they could reconcile. Then I would take my best guess and keep my mind open to more information. What couldn't be proved by theory I would speculate on. Then I wouldn't worry about it. :grin:


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4574933 - 08/24/05 01:19 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

There was a popular book in the backgammon world some 20+ years ago. It was about using mind control to get the dice roll you wanted. It came out shortly after the author won a major championship. No need to study odds or strategy and all that pesky stuff - just see giant, sparkly, glowing dice in your head and they would appear in real life.

Naturally, the author never won another major tournament and I made many thousands of dollars from his deluded disciples.


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    #4574955 - 08/24/05 01:24 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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There was a popular book in the backgammon world some 20+ years ago. It was about using mind control to get the dice roll you wanted. It came out shortly after the author won a major championship. No need to study odds or strategy and all that pesky stuff - just see giant, sparkly, glowing dice in your head and they would appear in real life.

Naturally, the author never won another major tournament and I made many thousands of dollars from his deluded disciples.




If you made all these thousands how come you can't afford to attend Burning Man? Are you wasting all your cash on prostitutes Vegas boy?


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574961 - 08/24/05 01:25 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

This post is about Deepak Chopra. I don't see a comparison between that story and anything I learned from Deepak.

You are making valid arguments against the other subjects you are bringing up.

I think there is a misunderstanding here regarding just exactly what it is you think Deepak is teaching. I wish I could reconcile that for you. I'm at a loss right now unless we can bridge a communication gap or two.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4574962 - 08/24/05 01:26 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Swami, if you are looking for empirical evidence beyond the experiential then, Deepak is not for you.

"Knowledge" based upon nothing at all is certainly not of interest to me. Now if Deepak wrote a book on how to con people, then I might be interested as in that field, he knows what he is doing.

But as to health, he is not running any marathons nor are there any beefcake photographs of him to show that he is in any way physically superior from his methods. All he has is his mouth and his writings. There are no studies on cancer. There is nothing at all other than a sales pitch.


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    #4574968 - 08/24/05 01:28 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Hey, maybe he'd be willing to advise us on our New Age evangelism scheme? :grin:

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Veritas]
    #4574982 - 08/24/05 01:34 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I am sure he would - for a sizable percentage.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Veritas]
    #4574983 - 08/24/05 01:34 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Were going to have to get used to people saying this stuff about us. Swami, I hope there will be no conflict of interest for you. I know you want to keep posting here. But just remember all the $$ and gurls.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4574985 - 08/24/05 01:34 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Like I said, its based on personal experience and much of it is based on his being in the same boat we are, not knowing for sure how to realize more unmanifest potential but sharing some ideas for how we can get better at realizing and experiencing it for ourselves.

So the readers use some of his idea and get results. Then, they get curious about what other ideas he has to play with because some of the others were good ones that brought results.

There is not much more to it then that.

Can we play with Deepak swami, please?  He's really a nice and cool kid once you get to know him.:lol:


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    #4574998 - 08/24/05 01:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Don't ask him, Jiggy! He's not the boss of us!!

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    #4575002 - 08/24/05 01:37 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Chopra claims to be able to change brain chemistry using thoughts. Stay with me on this for one moment.

One of the following statements must be true - you decide:

A. He just made this up.

B. He has neurological evidence for such a claim.


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    #4575010 - 08/24/05 01:40 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Chopra claims to be able to change brain chemistry using thoughts. Stay with me on this for one moment.

One of the following statements must be true - you decide:

A. He just made this up.

B. He has neurological evidence for such a claim. "

you can certainly change your mood using thoughts and doesn't a change in mood correspond with a change in neurochemistry?

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Veritas]
    #4575030 - 08/24/05 01:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Don't ask him, Jiggy!  He's not the boss of us!!




I was playing around with how he acts like daddy swami sometimes. I really think he needs to become a parent as he seems to really want to give from the heart of his experiences.

Swami, have you considered adoption?

Regarding your question swami, what you missed is where I said in my last reply that these people who feel think and say they are living wonderful lives have made it.

Have made it as in made it up, like one makes a cake to eat and bed to sleep in.

You seem to have difficulty understanding this. I wish I could translate it better but it is as simple as that. Maybe thats the problem some people have with Deepak. They are complicating it or think if its something worthy it must be complicated.:shrug:

I make myself a happy marriage and homelife. Now I have one as a result. Get it?


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    #4575036 - 08/24/05 01:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Swami, have you considered abortion?




Good advice Jiggy. :thumbup:


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    #4575070 - 08/24/05 01:58 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Ow shit you made my heart drop Ice. :lol: I thought I typoed abortion instead of adoption for a second there.


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    #4575077 - 08/24/05 02:00 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Are you saying that there is no evidence for a bi-directional connection between thoughts and brain chemistry?

To my knowledge, it is well-accepted in the neuroscientific community that our chemistry influences our thoughts AND our thoughts influence our chemistry.

What is left in doubt is whether we have the power to redirect our habitual thoughts.

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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4575078 - 08/24/05 02:00 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I just hit quote. :confused: There is something very magical going on here.


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    #4575093 - 08/24/05 02:04 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Must be Merlin up to hs old tricks!


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    #4575098 - 08/24/05 02:06 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

OK I'm going to confess before Swami exposes me and I lose my pristine credibility that I have here.


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    #4575172 - 08/24/05 02:30 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Swami, have you considered adoption?

Yes, but it is hard finding foster parents at my age.


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    #4575191 - 08/24/05 02:34 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: :thumbup:


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    #4575322 - 08/24/05 03:17 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I tried to create wealth and affluence for myself by believing I already had it but alas I still work for a living.


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    #4575624 - 08/24/05 04:56 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

deepak was talking about a collective consciousness and quantum mechanics...he seemed to be fusing science with spirituality...the christian guy got really pissed off at him at one point.

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    #4575993 - 08/24/05 06:26 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Mntlfingers,
I don't know who told you that merely beleiving in anything will get it for you.

Last I time I checked, I worked for everything I have as well.

He He He, ya King, He's great on Larry King. Some of the Christians always get fired up boiling mad at him. I caught one where King has Different religious leaders on and Deepak discussing the Middle East problems. Deepak was saying that the path to peace is peace itself. This Christian got all red and screamed, "The path to peace is forged with guns and tanks". Deepak just rolled his eyes and made a look on his face like, "Larry, can I go home now?"

Please post a notice for us the next time you know he'll be on. He's great on TV. PBS use to do some of his talks years back. They were awesome, espcially one called The Way of the Wizard.


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    #4577647 - 08/25/05 01:28 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

It is sad that I alone possess the power to do a web search. I must teach my disciples this modern miracle.

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Chopra's book Return of the Reishi promotes the idea that meditators can levitate. Chapter 13 describes his personal experience with "lifting off," which he calles "the first threshold in yogic flying":

As the meditator begins to practice, he lays down a pattern of repetition in which the body more and more begins to understand what the mind wants. In scientific parlance this is called behavioral conditioning. In common language, he is simply acquiring a habit. Mundane as it sounds, flying is simply a habit. Over time, the body stops shaking and, unexpectedly, while doing nothing more than the same practice he has done in the past, the person accomplishes the result. His body lifts up and goes forward.

Needless to say, this is a remarkable moment for every meditator, and of the fifteen thousand TM meditators in America who practice the yogic flying technique, each one remembers his first liftoff with incredible vividness. My own experience is fairly typical. I was sitting on a foam rubber pad, using the technique as I had been taught, when suddenly my mind became blank for an instant, and when I opened my eyes, I was 4 feet ahead of where I had been before.


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4579051 - 08/25/05 01:08 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for digging that up swami.:thumbup: I never read that book.

It's sounds interesting, but lame in a useless sense. If these guys can get it figured out where I can levitate/fly myself in place of using my car to save on fuel costs then, it would be pretty darn cool.

Being able to throw yourself a couple feet forward, even if more mental technique was involved then brawn, is just lame. I can jump further then that without having to concentrate. :lol:

I'm going to forgive Deepak for using the term levitate when he just should of said yogic flying and left it for what it is as that.

I still commend him for exploring human potential and even you for giving yogic flying a whirl. He is an inspiration for thinking along new lines of thought to me.


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    #4580204 - 08/25/05 03:26 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Deepak Chopra has inspired me SO MUCH!

Some good books to look into (even audio books are sweet):
-Creating Affluence
- Perfect Health
- Way of the Wizard
- spontaneous fulfillment of desire

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    #4580439 - 08/25/05 04:08 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Do you have perfect health and are you now affluent?


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    #4580709 - 08/25/05 05:43 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Swami, much more so then before I read the books!

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    #4580745 - 08/25/05 05:51 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Can you lend me $10,000?


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4580750 - 08/25/05 05:53 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

What kind of interest rate you looking for?

Maybe I can help.


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    #4580761 - 08/25/05 05:55 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

3% per annum.


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    #4580776 - 08/25/05 05:57 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I like ya an all but. I need to make money in this dog eat dog world.


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    #4580847 - 08/25/05 06:09 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You asked me what I wanted, not what was reasonable. :doh:


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Re: deepak chopra (sp?) [Re: Swami]
    #4581128 - 08/25/05 07:15 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

eh swami, whats up w/the snuggles?


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    #4581138 - 08/25/05 07:18 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Its his new softer fabric side.


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