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High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon
    #4572984 - 08/23/05 11:56 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

High-Ranking Army
Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon
Radiation Expert Claims High-Radiation Readings
Near Pentagon After 9/11 Indicates
Depleted Uranium Used.
By Greg Szymanski
8-19-5


Two high profile radiation experts concur Pentagon strike involved use of a missile. Also Geiger counter readings right after the attack shows high levels of radiation 12 miles away from Pentagon crash site.

A radiation expert and high-ranking Army Major, who once headed the military's depleted uranium project, both contend the Pentagon was hit by missile, not a commercial jetliner, adding high radiation readings after the strike indicate depleted uranium also may have been used.

"I'm not an explosives or crash site expert, but I am highly knowledgeable in causes and effects related to nuclear radiation contamination. What happened at the Pentagon is highly suspicious, leading me to believe a missile with a depleted uranium warhead may have been used," said radiation expert Leuren Moret in a telephone conversation this week from her Berkeley, CA home.

Moret, who has spent a life time working in the nuclear field, first as a staff scientist at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Laboratory in California, is now a member of The Radiation and Public Health Project (RPHP), a privately funded group studying the devastating effects of depleted uranium especially in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Regarding the missile theory, it is also backed up by retired Army Maj. Doug Rokke, a PhD educational physics and former top military expert banished from the Pentagon after the military failed to follow regulations regarding the use, clean up and medical treatment regarding the use of depleted uranium.

"When you look at the whole thing, especially the crash site void of airplane parts, the size of the hole left in the building and the fact the projectile's impact penetrated numerous concrete walls, it looks like the work of a missile," said Maj. Rokke from his Rantoul, IL home this week. "And when you look at the damage, it was obviously a missile. Also, if you look at the WTC and the disturbing flash hitting the tower right before the impact of the airplane, it also looks like a missile was used."

And to prove the government's jetliner theory is wrong, Moret said the quick actions of a friend near the Pentagon on the morning of 9/11, provide even more suspicion.

Moret recalls on the tragic morning that once she saw the jetliner strike the twin towers and then heard about the Pentagon crash, she immediately called a close friend in Alexandria VA, Dr. Janette Sherman.

Thinking radiation might be involved, she quickly asked Dr. Sherman, 77, a radiation expert and medical doctor who lived about 12 miles from the crash site, to get a Geiger counter reading.

What the pair of experts found is astonishing. What they found is not only astonishing but four years after 9/11, what's even more incredible is that their findings have been completely ignored by most everyone, including the Bush administration, the 9/11 Commission and the mainstream media, all who appear more interested in rubber stamping the official 9/11 story then getting at the real truth.

"Dr. Sherman was downwind from the Pentagon on 9/11 and her Geiger counter readings show an extremely high reading, a reading of more than eight to ten times higher than normal," said Moret, also an expert in the cause and effects of depleted uranium.

"Dr. Sherman, who is well-respected radiation expert herself, then went about contacting the proper authorities in order to try and alert emergency responders of the radiation risk at the Pentagon crash site. And we have also kept photos of the Geiger counter readings in order to verify what Dr. Sherman found 12 miles away."

After notifying the Nuclear Industrial Safety Agency (NIRS), experts from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the FBI were alerted and according to Moret, radiation experts later confirmed high radiation levels at the Pentagon crash site possibly from the presence from depleted uranium or other unknown causes.

But what disturbed Moret most has been the Bush administration's lack of concern and its failure to mount a thorough investigation into what really caused the high radiation levels, saying perhaps the findings might reveal something contrary to the official story that a jetliner rammed through 12 Pentagon walls of solid concrete.

"Even if there was depleted uranium used, do you think the likes of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld would really care? These are bottom feeders that 20 or 30 years ago wouldn't have been even allowed to set foot in such high positions of power," said Moret.

Although Dr. Sherman's Geiger counter can't be a conclusive finding, another nuclear radiation expert, Marion Fulk, agrees the positive reading, if anything, is suspicious.

"It definitely looks suspicious but of course many factors have to be considered before a conclusion is reached," said Fulk in a telephone conversation this week. "The type of Geiger counter used by Dr. Sherman needs to be looked at as well as the possibility of the true source of the radiation, whether it is depleted uranium in a missile, ballast in the airplane or within the structure of the building hit."

Even though no one can be sure, one thing positive is the Bush administration never really seriously cared about addressing the possibility of depleted uranium at the Pentagon just like it cares little about the same problem at the World Trade Center and in the war fields of Iraq and Afghanistan.

And, more recently, Moret, Fulk and Maj. Rokke, along with Dennis Kyne, Bob Jones and Mark Zeller, have provided documentation for an explosive video written and produced by Joyce Riley and William Lewis called "Beyond Treason," providing an in depth look at depleted uranium used in the Gulf Wars and its likelihood of causing numerous civilian and military illnesses.

"It has been determined that the equivalent of more than 400,000 Nagasaki bombs has been released in the middle east since 1991," said Moret, citing a report and subsequent speech at a 2000 depleted uranium conference given by Professor Yagasaki, a physicist and well-respected nuclear radiation expert.

And in the 89 minute video, exploring a massive government cover up, Riley and Lewis point out the unexplained illnesses in civilians and military personal may be the cause of depleted uranium or perhaps a combination of overlapping causes, including chemical and biological exposure and the use of experimental vaccines.

The writers of Beyond Treason, added:

"The ailing Gulf War heroes from all 27 coalition countries slowly die from of "unknown causes," they wait for answers from their respective governments, but no satisfying or even credible answers have come forth from the military establishment. Records that span over a decade point to negligence and even culpability on the part of the U.S. Department of Defense and their disposable army" mentality.

"The VA has determined that 250,000 troops are now permanently disabled, 15,000 troops are dead and over 425,000 are ill and slowly dying from what the Department of Defense still calls a mystery disease. How many more will have to die before action is taken?"

And in February, 2004, a conference called "Dialogues with Decision Makers" was held in New Delhi, India, where a group of experts gathered for the prevention of nuclear war and looked closely at the depleted uranium problem in the Middle East.

Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat, former chief of the Naval Staff in India, reported the following shocking details about the effects of depleted uranium:

"In the 2003 war, the Iraqi's were subjected to the Pentagon's radioactive arsenal, mainly in the urban centers, unlike in the deserts in 1991. The aggregate effects of illnesses and long term disabilities and genetic birth defects will be apparent only 2008 onwards. "By now, half of all the 697,000 US soldiers involved in the 1991 war have reported serious illnesses. According the American Gulf War Veterans Association, more than 30% of these soldiers are chronically ill, and receiving disability benefits from the Veterans Administration.

"Near the Republican Palace where US troops stood guard and over 1000 employees walked in and out, the radiation readings were the hottest in Iraq, at nearly 1900 times background radiation levels.

"At a roadside stand, selling fresh bunches of parsley, mint, and onions, children played on a burnt out Iraqi tank just outside Baghdad, the Geiger counter registered 1000 times normal background radiation.

"The Pentagon and the United Nations estimate that the US and Britain used 1,100 to 2,200 tons of armor piercing shells made of DU during attacks in March-April 2003, far more than the 1991 Gulf War (this does not include air dispensed DU munitions and missiles)," wrote the Post Intelligencer.

"The long term effects, as Dr Asaf Durakovic elaborates, after the early neurological symptoms are cancer, and related radiation illnesses such as chronic fatigue syndrome, joint and muscle pain, neurological and/or nerve damage, mood disturbances, auto-immune deficiencies, lung and kidney damage, vision problems, skin rupture, increase in miscarriages, maternal mortality and genetic birth defects/deformation.

"For years the US government described the Gulf War Syndrome as a post traumatic stress disorder. It was labeled as a psychological problem or simply as mysterious unrelated ailments much in the same way as health problems of Vietnam veterans suffering from Agent Orange poisoning."


For more informative articles, go to www.arcticbeacon.com. Greg Szymanski Powered by CityMak

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/31824.htm

"It is a truth that a terrorist can attack any time, any place, using any technique and it's physically impossible to defend at every time and every place against every conceivable technique. Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the MISSILE to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists, wherever they are, and dealing with them."

Donald Rumsfeld answering Parade Magazine reporter Lyric Wallwork Winik in Pentagon Press Conference Oct.12, 2001. (Posted on the Pentagon website)

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/rumsfeld-warnings.htm


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: usefulidiot]
    #4573282 - 08/24/05 01:13 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

completely sickening.


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: usefulidiot]
    #4573427 - 08/24/05 01:43 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

How do you reckon a jet engine and other airplane debris found its way into the wreckage then?


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: moog]
    #4573451 - 08/24/05 01:48 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

not to mention the satellite photos that show power poles on both sides of the roads knocked over in a straight line towards to crash site.


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: faslimy]
    #4573719 - 08/24/05 03:22 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Just more stuff for the right wingers to ignore or dismiss as nutjobs as our country continues to be hijacked to a point where we are helpless to fix it.


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: usefulidiot]
    #4573736 - 08/24/05 03:32 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

What exactly is the point of a depleted uranium warhead?


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4573815 - 08/24/05 04:20 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I assume maximum penetration of the target?

http://www.gulflink.osd.mil/faq_17apr.htm

"Depleted uranium is what is left over when most of the highly radioactive types (isotopes) of uranium are removed for use as nuclear fuel or nuclear weapons. The depleted uranium used in armor-piercing munitions and in enhanced armor protection for some Abrams tanks is also used in civilian industry, primarily for stabilizers in AIRPLANES and boats."


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: downforpot]
    #4573825 - 08/24/05 04:28 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Heres more on stabilizers on planes.

http://www.earthisland.org/eijournal/win2000/fe_win2000uranium.html

"One year after the crash, the Laka Foundation, an independent Dutch nuclear research group, revealed that the El Al jet - like all Boeing 747s - carried 1,500 kg of depleted uranium (DU) onboard in the form of cadmium-clad counterweights hidden in the aircraft's tail fins, horizontal stabilizers and wings."


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: downforpot]
    #4573880 - 08/24/05 05:26 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.shunpiking.com/OL0202/dep-urn.htm
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If the radiation came from the explosion and fire at the Pentagon, it most likely did not come from a Boeing 757, which is the type of aircraft that allegedly hit the building.

"Boeing has never used DU on either the 757 or the 767, and we no longer use it on the 747," Leslie M. Nichols, product spokesperson for Boeing's 767, told AFP. "Sometime ago, we switched to tungsten, because it is heavier, more readily available and more cost effective."

The cost effectiveness argument is debatable. A waste product of US nuclear weapons and energy facilities, DU is reportedly provided by the Department of Energy to national and foreign armament companies free of charge.

DU is used in a wide variety of missiles in the US arsenal as an armor penetrator. It is also used in the bunker-buster bombs and cruise missiles. Because no photographic evidence of a Boeing 757 hitting the Pentagon is available to the public, 9-11 skeptics and independent researchers claim something else, such as a missile, struck the Pentagon.

A white flash, not unlike those seen in videos of the planes as they struck the twin towers, occurs when a DU penetrator hits a target.

Photographs from the Pentagon reveal that large round holes were punched through six walls in the three outer rings. The outside wall is 24 inches thick with a six-inch limestone exterior, eight inches of brick and 10 inches of steel reinforced concrete; the other walls are 18 inches thick.

The object that hit the Pentagon on 9-11 penetrated several feet of reinforced concrete, leaving holes with diameters between 11 and 16 feet.




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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: Aldous]
    #4573939 - 08/24/05 06:48 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Also, if you look at the WTC and the disturbing flash hitting the tower right before the impact of the airplane, it also looks like a missile was used."


What is he implying here exactly? That there was a missile inside the 747 that was detonated at the moment the plane hit the tower?


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: Aldous]
    #4573941 - 08/24/05 06:53 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

> What exactly is the point of a depleted uranium warhead?

The same idea as a lead bullet.  Depleted uranium (a misleading name) is simply natural uranium that has had the <1% of the 235 isotope (used for fission) removed. It is very dense (1.8x) the density of lead (means it is heavy) and very strong.  Projectiles made from depleted uranium have a large momentum (when moving fast, they pack a large punch).  When the projectile strikes an object, the uranium vaporizes and turns into uranium oxide which is spread over a large distance.  Depleted uranium projectiles cut through armor like a hot knife through butter.  No explosives are used with depleted uranium projectiles.  (i.e. you don't see depleted uranium artillery shells)

When you see a tank on the battle field, all burned out, but with no apparent damage on the outside... that was a DP (depleted uranium) round.  There will be a small hole on the outside of the tank where the round penetrated the armor, and the inside of the tank will be completely burned from the vaporized uranium coming through the hole.

Because the half-life of uranium is so long... several million years... the use of DP rounds are easily identifiable.  The point of impact will be "hot" with a unique signature that is different from natural uranium.  The vaporized uranium will have lodged itself into buildings and materials around the site with the greatest density near the point of impact.  Whip out the scintillation analyzer and we can immediately prove or disprove this theory by looking at samples taken from the pentagon and from places around the pentagon.

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A white flash, not unlike those seen in videos of the planes as they struck the twin towers, occurs when a DU perpetrator hits a target.




Duh.  A white flash is often seen when energy is released... be it from a gun shot, a explosive going off, steel hitting flint, a steel wire snapping under extreme strain, etc...

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to get a Geiger counter reading




:rolleyes:  Please... a Geiger counter will detect ionizing radiation... it doesn't tell you what created the radiation, only that there is some present and how much.  Any expert will tell you that this is fairly meaningless information.

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although Dr. Sherman's Geiger counter can't be a conclusive finding, another nuclear radiation expert, Marion Fulk, agrees the positive reading, if anything, is suspicious.




... and lets twist the expert's words to make it sound damning.  Stating that the "positive reading, if anything, is suspicious" means "the positive reading doesn't mean anything.  It is a bit suspicious, but could easily be caused by many other factors that were not controlled."

Lets continue reading and see what the expert really said:

"It definitely looks suspicious but of course many factors have to be considered before a conclusion is reached" ... yep, pretty much what I just said.

Now lets look at the various disclaimers that the author includes:

"depleted uranium also may have been used"
"if anything, is suspicious"  (I read "if anything" to mean "at most")
"Although Dr. Sherman's Geiger counter can't be a conclusive finding"
"Even though no one can be sure"

... but why write a story like this ...

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Regarding the missile theory, it is also backed up by retired Army Maj. Doug Rokke, a PhD educational physics and former top military expert banished from the Pentagon after the military failed to follow regulations regarding the use, clean up and medical treatment regarding the use of depleted uranium.




Ah, now we are getting somewhere... what else...

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Moret, who has spent a life time working in the nuclear field, first as a staff scientist at the Livermore Nuclear Weapons Laboratory in California, is now a member of The Radiation and Public Health Project (RPHP), a privately funded group studying the devastating effects of depleted uranium especially in Iraq and Afghanistan.




This explains why the bottom two thirds of the article talk about the use of depleted uranium rounds in the middle east rather than continue discussing the "missile theory".  It would appear to me that this article was written using the events of 9/11 as the headline to draw attention to the use of depleted uranium rounds in the middle east.


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: faslimy]
    #4574233 - 08/24/05 11:09 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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not to mention the satellite photos that show power poles on both sides of the roads knocked over in a straight line towards to crash site.




where are those pictures again?


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    #4574251 - 08/24/05 11:15 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: Seuss]
    #4574326 - 08/24/05 11:53 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

That's what I thought. There would be no point of a DU warhead.

DU travels alone, like a bullet.


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: usefulidiot]
    #4574597 - 08/24/05 01:35 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Seuss and others have done a good job debunking this nonsense so I'll just add a brief question --

Since when is a Major a "high-ranking" Army Officer?





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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: moog]
    #4574825 - 08/24/05 02:52 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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moog said:
How do you reckon a jet engine and other airplane debris found its way into the wreckage then?




Who knows..I guess if DU was/is actually detected at the crash site, then it could be that some type of aircraft other than a 757 which normally contains DU in some of it's parts might have actually been what hit the pentagon..or perhaps whatever the aircraft might have been just had a missle on board.

Not fully dismissing the possibility of course that what hit the pentagon could have been nothing but a hi-jacked 757, I must say I still find it a little suspicious that a number of eye whitness reports suggested that what they saw was a rather 'small' plane headed towards and crashing into the building that morning, not really sounding like they saw something approaching the size of a boeing 757.


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: usefulidiot]
    #4575074 - 08/24/05 03:59 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

We've been over and over this at least a dozen times already in previous threads.

The remains of the crew and passengers were positively identified through DNA tests by a crew of fifty (yes, that's right... 50) forensic pathologists. That fact alone is enough to end all this "missile" crap.

There are also photos posted in numerous places of jet airliner debris (landing gear, seats, labelled oxygen bottles, engine parts and more) resting INSIDE the Pentagon rubble. Links to those photos have been posted in previous threads on the matter. As well as eyewitness accounts from rescue workers of personal effects from passengers (clothing, carryon luggage, wallets and other identification) strewn throughout the damaged area.

And of course there are the radar tracks of the flight heading for Washington, then dropping off the screen.

But forget all the subsidiary evidence. The DNA identification of the remains in and of itself is proof positive of where that hijacked flight ended up. There is no possible way to dismiss that.

No freaking missile hit the freaking Pentagon. Let it go already.





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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: Phred]
    #4575193 - 08/24/05 04:34 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

My personal beliefs are on the fence in what happened on 9/11. I think there was definetly more going on then the offical story. Because if bushco was truely not involved then he wouldn't have had a problem testifying under oath. Since he refused means he has something to hide.

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Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center.




What do you suppose rumsfuck meant by that? Or does anyone here claim this quote was faked in that article?


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: Sycronica]
    #4575235 - 08/24/05 04:45 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Because if bushco was truely not involved then he wouldn't have had a problem testifying under oath. Since he refused means he has something to hide.




Perhaps he just had nothing to say and didn't feel he needed to humor all the "Bush knew" people. If I was in his position I would do the same thing.


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Re: High-Ranking Army Officer - Missile Hit Pentagon [Re: Phred]
    #4575257 - 08/24/05 04:54 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Phred said:

Since when is a Major a "high-ranking" Army Officer?





Since it helps their side out :wink:

Of course, noone cares about the numerous flag and staff officers personal accounts of that day, anything above a Major and they've been corrupted by TheSystem


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