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InvisibleSilversoul
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Why do Republicans like Oliver North?
    #4572908 - 08/23/05 11:39 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I never got this reverence that right-wingers have for the man. Basically, he's a convicted criminal and arguably a traitor to his country(last I checked, selling arms to the enemy was treason). So why does the right hold him up like he's some sort of savior? I don't get it.


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4572921 - 08/23/05 11:41 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I don't get it either. The reverence for John Poindexter, for that matter, too. Liars and criminals. Though, you could say the same for Reagan and they all love him...


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4574235 - 08/24/05 11:09 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

He was trying to free hostages, wasn't he?


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: afoaf]
    #4574253 - 08/24/05 11:15 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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He was trying to free hostages, wasn't he?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North

Can't find anything there about freeing hostages. What hostages are you referring to?


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4574272 - 08/24/05 11:21 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

He is thinking of the people held at the American embassy in Tehran after the Islamic revolution. That happened in 1980 or so. Iran-Contra happened in 1986 or so.

At least I think so. My 1980's political knowledge is a little bit rusty.


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4574322 - 08/24/05 11:52 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
Quote:

afoaf said:
He was trying to free hostages, wasn't he?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North

Can't find anything there about freeing hostages. What hostages are you referring to?




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Creating a Market for American Hostages

There was an added wrinkle to this scheme. One side benefit of the Iranian arms sales was supposed to be the release of American hostages being held in Lebanon. A handful of hostages were in fact released. But the ongoing arms deals created a market for U.S. hostages, and the net total of Americans held in captivity actually increased as a result of this policy initiative.

Oliver North championed the following deal in his December 4, 1985 email:

the following proposal has evolved which the Iranians today said they wd like to discuss in detail on Saturday: -- The total "package" from the Israelis wd consist of 50 HAWKs w/PIP (product improvement package) and 3300 basic TOWs. -- Deliveries wd commence on or about 12 December as follows:

H hr: 1 707 w/300 TOWs = 1 AMCIT
H+10hrs: 1 707 (same A/C) w/300 TOWs = 1 AMCIT
H+16hrs: 1 747 w/50 HAWKs & 400 TOWs = 2 AMCITs
H+20hrs: 1 707 w/300 TOWs = 1 AMCIT
H+24hrs: 1 747 w/2000 TOWs = French Hostage

AMCIT stands for "American citizen." Therefore, the average American citizen was evidently valued at 260 TOW anti-tank missiles and 10 HAWK anti-aircraft missiles.




http://www.rotten.com/library/history/political-scandal/iran-contra/


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4574336 - 08/24/05 11:57 AM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Like him or not, you have to give Ollie props for funding warfare without additional taxation or debt, unlike what we find in our present administration.


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4574483 - 08/24/05 12:53 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

He gets no props from me for lying to the Congress, violating his military oath and trading in drugs.


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4574508 - 08/24/05 01:02 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Paradigm said:
So why does the right hold him up like he's some sort of savior?




Quote:

bukkake said:
Liars and criminals.




They are fans of the greatest. Just like the left loves the substance abusing adulterer Bill Clinton.


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: Swami]
    #4574812 - 08/24/05 02:48 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

What do you have against trading in drugs? I always try to look for at least one redeeming quality in another, it helps to keep me from losing faith in humanity.


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4574950 - 08/24/05 03:22 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

"Why do Republicans like Oliver North?"

His teeth?


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: Redstorm]
    #4575062 - 08/24/05 03:56 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

see... me no crazee


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4575112 - 08/24/05 04:12 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The entire issue was that we were dealing with terrorists. Reagan was told, and believed, that we were trading arms with the moderate elements in Iran and that they would intercede on our behalf to have hostages released. In reality, North and Beag knew that we were trading with the terrorists, but they did it anyway. I think that it's a bad policy to trade {weapons!) with terrorists for hostages, but sometimes you have to do what you've got to to to save lives.


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4575208 - 08/24/05 04:37 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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He is thinking of the people held at the American embassy in Tehran after the Islamic revolution. That happened in 1980 or so. Iran-Contra happened in 1986 or so.

At least I think so. My 1980's political knowledge is a little bit rusty.




If i'm not mistaken, it was also a Canadian that organzied the rescue of those hostages from Iran...I believe his name was Ken Taylor.


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: Rono]
    #4575228 - 08/24/05 04:42 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

The only connotation of "hostage" that comes up when I think of Ollie dealing with Iranian hostage takers. Not the hostages that were taken at the embassy, other Americans who were taken. I'll go grab my books on the situation and come back with some names and more information. The problem was that Ollie was knowingly dealing with terrorists and trading them weapons in order to have hostages released. The other problem was he was doing it without a national security finding or presidental approval.


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: daimyo]
    #4575679 - 08/24/05 07:07 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

haha calling clinton a substance abuser??? bush was 100 times the addict substance abuser than clinton....clinton was a scholar, a brilliant man, who liked the pussy....bush is a drunkard frat boy with a powerful daddy


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #4575826 - 08/24/05 07:40 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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haha calling clinton a substance abuser??? bush was 100 times the addict substance abuser than clinton....clinton was a scholar, a brilliant man, who liked the pussy....bush is a drunkard frat boy with a powerful daddy




and all that is based on what sources... an SNL skit? We don't know how many drugs either one of them did.

Jimmy Carter should run again, damnit... the only real honest politician this country has ever seen.


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: BrAiN]
    #4575858 - 08/24/05 07:51 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Forrest Gump and Chauncey Gardner were very honest. Jimmy Carter??????Worst president ever. Fuck, worst ex-president ever. You may have noticed that he is the only carping back seat driver ex president ever. That's because he never understood the responsibilities of the office when he had them. Stupid cunt should just go the fuck away. He was hired to run the country and did such a fucking stone shitty job that Reagan looked like Jesus after him. How bad do you have to be for THAT?

I have yet to hear anybody explain to me just what it was that Clinton did for 8 years, other than not offend anybody too much for the first 3 and a half of them.


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4575866 - 08/24/05 07:57 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

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Fuck, worst ex-president ever.



Ya, fuck that Habitat For Humanity bullshit.  Fucking poor people need to stop being so poor, dammit! :mad2:


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Re: Why do Republicans like Oliver North? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4575896 - 08/24/05 08:04 PM (11 years, 4 months ago)

Habitat for Humanity is a fucking joke. I'm a construction professional and these people are basicly coalitions that hold up developers for free land and then take five times as long to build a house on it. I've seen them do it in Yorktown NY. And who gets a habitat house? Some guy who wins a lottery. Please, welfare for the not so poor. The few, the chosen, the PC. Who pays? Everybody else who lives in the town. Fuck them. When the town government holds up subdivision proposals to extort a lot for Habitat to build on it is exactly the same as Kelo, a taking.


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