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Offlineomgsnakelol
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    #4572829 - 08/23/05 11:21 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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    #4575585 - 08/24/05 06:45 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: omgsnakelol]
    #4575610 - 08/24/05 06:52 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Seretonin Syndrome if very rarely fatal, its usually just nausia, diarhia, etc. Its not pleasent, you should never mix any chemicals that affect the Seretonin system though.


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: ThePredator]
    #4576661 - 08/24/05 11:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Check out: http://www.bluelight.nu/vb/showthread.ph...108959&r=11

I couldn't find anything on lexapro, but it's worth looking through.


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The very nature of experience is ineffable; it transcends cognitive thought and intellectualized analysis. To be without experience is to be without an emotional knowledge of what the experience translates into. The desire for the understanding of what life is made of is the motivation that drives us all. Without it, in fear of the experiences what life can hold is among the greatest contradictions; to live in fear of death while not being alive.



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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: Twirling]
    #4577705 - 08/25/05 03:59 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'm working on a literature review/FAQ for this.
Shouldn't be too long to finish it.

Don't expect definitive answers however, as science doesn't have them all, and there is debate and conflicting evidence. Simply put, no-one knows for sure, and this is a complex issue.
However i will present the current evidence for people, all fully referenced of course.

My advice is;
don't stop or alter your meds
be prepared this may diminish or alter the trip;
seriously consider whether you are stable enough to manage a trip; educate yourself about the early signs of serotonin syndrome,
and if you proceed do so in a safe place with a sitter and a low dosage to begin with.


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: Oakbear]
    #4577715 - 08/25/05 04:07 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Twirling cheers for the link, that's not a bad thread on blue light at all, although most research on serotonin sydrome is more recent......


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    #4584605 - 08/26/05 06:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: omgsnakelol]
    #5437881 - 03/24/06 12:59 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I have suffered from overwhelming social anxiety and resulting depression all throughout high school and college. Prozac, Zoloft, Lexapro... On and off, on and off. A buddy of mine introduced me to P. Azurescens while on SSRIs and I started eating regularly. Not only did access to my own mind illuminate the reasons for my anxiety and depression, it gave me the power to really deal with the problems. Now I know that these symptoms are for the human to overcome through real effort, reflection, and action. Not by numbing your mind with prescription drugs. I feel that anxiety and depression are signs of a culture spiritually ill. Taking a pill compounds the problem especially when you quickly build up a tolerance. I suggest finding the source of the symptoms instead of seeking a quick fix.


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5438232 - 03/24/06 02:52 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

There isn't a lot of human data looking at the issue.

Generally speaking:
Chronic administration of antidepressants will decrease the effects of hallucinogens. The exception are tricyclic antidepressants.

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v14/n6...B1873CFB57C26BD
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...l=pubmed_DocSum

If anyone has any more human references, I'd like to see them.

The animal data supports the above conclusions, although I won't get into it unless someone really wants me to.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: badchad]
    #5446933 - 03/27/06 12:47 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I'd say the human data is definitely staring itself in the face. Just that the monkeys or animals have yet to offer up a solution that will work. When they realize that they can't grow healthy plants without the right nutrients... they will ask. Until then... anyone serious about spirit will never benefit from another detour. Everything upside down.


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5448174 - 03/27/06 06:25 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

i take 50 mg of zoloft and i have taken magic mushrooms a bunch of times and alwayed tripped and always felt fine.


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: Trippy_Search]
    #5448262 - 03/27/06 06:54 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I agree very strongly with psyillyazul's posts. The suggestion that psychedelics may in fact be a better approach to treating depression rings very true to me. I have 'genetic depression' which I have inherited from both my mother and father, and it has been a serious force in my life since I was barely into puberty. I have had one attempt at evading my depression through prescribed SSRIs, however I quickly recognized that the hollow numbness they left me feeling was a greater threat to my well-being than the powerful lows of my depression.

Through honest effort in communication with myself and my loved ones, as well as an active lifestyle and the occasional psychedelic, I have learned to accept and better understand my 'genetic depression' and love myself and my life in spite of it.

I am not suggesting SSRIs are evil by any means, or that my path is necessarily for anyone else. I am just happy to see opinions about healthy alternative approaches to depression being shared, and grateful to be able to share my own.


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5448779 - 03/27/06 09:50 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I have depression, and stopped my anti-depressants (which didn't work anyway) a few months before I tried shrooms for my first time. Since then I've realized I just have a depressed outlook on life, and thats the way it is. Doesn't really answer the question, but I believe you shouldn't take shrooms unless (reasonably) mentally sound, and unless you can stop anti-depressants for a month, you aren't. But I'm sure many people on anti-depressants have tripped and been fine.


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: Cykon]
    #5454976 - 03/29/06 02:24 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Precisely. I was up to a couple hundred mils of Zoloft a day when the mushroom entered my life with any force. It WAS P. Azurescens. They told me: "Stop looking for a pill to solve your problem, nature already had a solution before the beliefs turned it into the opposite of GOD." They said: "EAT ME!" And I did. Depression is GODs human motivating force. It is a mistake. We now need to learn how this was arrived at. This should get the planet looking for something. Anybody heard of the yellow brick road?? Bout to jump the tracks.


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5544010 - 04/22/06 02:34 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

think we skipped the train analogy all together??


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5544012 - 04/22/06 02:35 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

i do. silly bees


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5544016 - 04/22/06 02:36 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

all they do is help out right?? honey anyone??


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5544021 - 04/22/06 02:37 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

thats another book all-to0-gather!!


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: psyillyazul]
    #5544256 - 04/22/06 04:17 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

that blue light link helped...I take bupropian (wellbutrin) and could never find anything on interactions. That certainly explains my weakness to alcohol as of late.


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Re: the definative ssri + psychadelics thread. [Re: LloydChristmas]
    #5545054 - 04/22/06 09:29 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

lexapro(10) + mystery shrooms found on hpoo (a modest amount). they looked like cubes.

friends tripped fine and i tripped half awake with an awful headache and the inability to sleep though i really wanted to. overall the trip comes in as my second worse trip ever.

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i may have just gotten a really bad headache that caused a bad trip, but i refuse to do them again while on ssri's.


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