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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
#4566968 - 08/22/05 03:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have met nearly a dozen who claimed it, but mostly they sat around stoned while not working to earn the money for the child support they were not paying. That and mooching off of their friends. I have known one who was real deal, but he didn't use drugs at all.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4566975 - 08/22/05 03:49 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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"mostly they sat around stoned while not working to earn the money for the child support they were not paying. That and mooching off of their friends."
Sounds familiar...
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
#4567028 - 08/22/05 04:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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As JC said, " many are called, but few are choosen"
Doh! I always thought it was: "Many are cold, but few are frozen."
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Swami]
#4567115 - 08/22/05 04:24 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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No no no, "its few are told that they are eating poison"
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
#4567137 - 08/22/05 04:29 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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"many are called, but few are choosen"
"Make a promise, take a vow Trust your feelings it's easy now Understand the voice within And feel the change already beginning..." - Moody Blues
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4567236 - 08/22/05 04:57 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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"E sonk konk alu"
The Doors.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
#4567268 - 08/22/05 05:03 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: "E sonk konk alu"
The Doors.
Is that supposed to be Morrison's guitar impression on the end of "Cars Hiss by My Window?"
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: it stars saddam]
#4567276 - 08/22/05 05:05 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Or his improvised singing on Roadhouse Blues?
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4567281 - 08/22/05 05:06 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Shit I think you nailed it.
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: it stars saddam]
#4567288 - 08/22/05 05:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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"I woke up this morning and I got myself a beer The futures uncertain and the end is always near"
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4567481 - 08/22/05 06:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: Or his improvised singing on Roadhouse Blues?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
#4567834 - 08/22/05 07:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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The more I hang out with users of psychedelic drugs in real life, the more my opinion of psychedelic drug users goes down.
Also, the more I hang out on this board, the more my opinion of it goes down in general.
The more I look at psychedelic inspired art and music, the more my opinion of it goes up.
In the first case, the people are just looking for a thrill, and this thrill seeking is usually masking a self destructive streak.
In the second case, I don't think very many people here are that capable of making coherent arguments and logically defending them. A little to much stuff that's close to astrology for my taste. No one besides swami will call people out on grasping onto stupid shit. Also, a lot of people here are really just as stupid about using drugs as the drug warrior stereotypes would suggest. (see, thenewuser, for example). However, this complaint is largely confined to a subsection of the community. There is a group of people who are really good here, my opinion of them doesn't go down, just the general community.
In the third case, I am impressed because creating art or music about psychedelics involves actually engaging your psychedelic experience rather then just being entertained by the pretty colors or whatnot.
To me, I'd change what you said to "Holding a sub-group of psychedelic users in high regard." This subgroup would be those that use them for psychological or mystical or creative purposes (are these three the same?).
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: tomk]
#4567852 - 08/22/05 07:34 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'd change what you said to "Holding a sub-group of psychedelic users in high regard." This subgroup would be those that use them for psychological or mystical or creative purposes (are these three the same?).
Sure, that sounds good.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: tomk]
#4568142 - 08/22/05 08:42 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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"he more I hang out with users of psychedelic drugs in real life, the more my opinion of psychedelic drug users goes down.
Also, the more I hang out on this board, the more my opinion of it goes down in general."
No one forces you to come here.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Deviate]
#4568362 - 08/22/05 09:24 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Was it Tom Wolff in 'The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test' that noted that there are two kinds of people: those who have had The Experience and those who have not. More and more, as I contemplate my almost complete lack of friends (except childhood friends whom I don't see for years at a time) over the past 3 decades can be reduced to this. Even when I went through seminary (1976-78) and tried to connect with people through a common belief system, it was shallow compared to deep Psychedelic Experience which brought religious Truth out. Yet, even among childhood tripping buddies, the Catholic friend who taught me during tripping about Christian love through just being and answering short profound questions with short profound answers, failed to make the definitive identification of those High States with the Truth of his faith. My other childhood friend - a Greek Orthodox Christian - would say something like "tripping is a lot of fun" even though we had Experiences that even I (in all my wordiness) cannot put into words.
In a personal letter to me, Dr. Albert Hofmann referred to "the LSD inebriation" as "the most comforting truth of the Gospels." He is perhaps the only Christian who has been able to make this definitive identification and I love the man profoundly for his personal revelation of this to me, not to mention his discovery of LSD and synthesis of psilocybin. Ram Dass - a Conservative Jew by upbringing - met his Guru Neem Karolie Baba, who said that LSD allows one to be visited by Christ. He was very specific about this 'saint' (Hindu take on Christ), which I do not think that Ram Dass ever really groked-in-fullness, but merely generalized along with other "realized beings."
Only my Lady shares much of what I am sharing here and I was the one who turned her on for the first time some 9 years ago. I am grateful for her presence in my life but I sincerely wish that I knew others, young or old, who held these states in as high regard as I do. I have been a 'stranger in a strange land' now for decades. I have never wished to 'forget' the Psychedelic Illumination as did some of the earliest and greatest explorers like Jerry Garcia, Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison - all who did a 180 degree turn-around and headed into opiated unconconsciousness. Psychedelic Illumination continues to feed my hunger for GOD, for Gnosis, for Realization and the side effects have been wonderful. "Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and its righteousness, and all things will be added unto you." True Dat!
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#4568515 - 08/22/05 09:52 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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"I sincerely wish that I knew others, young or old, who held these states in as high regard as I do."
In that case...greetings, I am Huehuecoyotl.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4568720 - 08/22/05 10:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hue -
What I mean is that the number of good users stays relatively stable while the number of idiots seems to go in. Seems like every day there is a new idiot, but not every day there is a new person who would make me hold their use of psychedelics in high regard. The number of cool people here is quite high too, and I quite like it here.
A decrease from a really high regard, to just sorta a slight plus regard isn't an insult.
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: tomk]
#4569452 - 08/23/05 04:25 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hello
I?m new and kind of retarded (mentally that is)
I think it would be perfect, if everyone who used these drugs were the same... thought the same, did the same, reacted the same, experienced the same
then we could all sit around and tell eachother : oh you are brilliant and you have realized the encomprehensible and completely complex and mysterious truth of life, god and jesus and the rest of them ... just as me ... wow you are so smart and clever .,.. just like me ... aren?t we all just perfect ... we all know and have realized ... weeee
wouldn?t that be lovely?
Imagine .... heaven on earth
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: VarthDader]
#4569485 - 08/23/05 05:10 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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varthdader said:
I think it would be perfect, if everyone who used these drugs were the same... thought the same, did the same, reacted the same, experienced the same
I completely disagree with this statement. What makes places like the S & P section of this forum so great is the individuality and freedom of thought that goes on within the boards. As many have said, the intellectual psychadellic users who's goals are to expand and explore their minds and souls are few and far between.
But it would be hypocritical to say that none of us have used a drug of some sort, just to "get our fix" at some point in our lives, because we all have. People change and all of us have healing to do within ourselves.
Edited by Picking4Peace (08/23/05 05:11 AM)
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4569556 - 08/23/05 06:21 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said: "I sincerely wish that I knew others, young or old, who held these states in as high regard as I do."
In that case...greetings, I am Huehuecoyotl.
Yes! Hi Mark and Hue, I'm Icelander, I would like to introduce you to my partner and best friend Veritas! We may not use the same terminology but we are there and grok in fullness. The conversations we have at home, blow what we do here right out of the water.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (08/23/05 06:23 AM)
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