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OfflineRedstorm
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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Swami]
    #4570173 - 08/23/05 10:12 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
"And of course, not you or anyone else that supports this farce will wager that anyone other than Allawi will be the head puppet; same as before."

How come you didn't take the bet, Phred? I was correct that no one here would wager with me.





What a fucking cop-out. Your prediction was wrong, but somehow you've still never made an incorrect guess? That makes little sense to me.

Also, someone not taking your bet does not turn and incorrect guess correct.

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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: JesusChrist]
    #4570299 - 08/23/05 10:33 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

They didn't bomb population centers, they bombed the Ho Chi Mihn trail. Nice revisionist history

Nothing revisionist about it. The US dropped more bombs on Indochina than it dropped during World War II. You don't think that might have a destabilising effect on an already poor area of the world?

We didn't bomb Laos into the stone age. We didn't bomb South Vietnam into the stone age, and we didn't bomb Cambodia into the stone age.


80 million cluster bombs dropped on Laos alone. More bombs dropped on the Quang Tri province in Vietnam than in the whole of Europe in World War II.

We were fighting so that those people would never see that horror, and then we cut and run

I see. Dropping 80 million cluster bombs on them was protecting them from "horror" was it.

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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Phred]
    #4570321 - 08/23/05 10:39 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The reason for the delay in beginning the trial is probably the one given from the start -- -- that Hussein will be tried by the Iraqi people in a legal manner

Currently he isn't even being held by the Iraqi people.

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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Swami]
    #4570346 - 08/23/05 10:45 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Draft "blueprint for civil war"

Iraq's new constitution, supposedly the blueprint for a democratic future, was threatening to drag the country into civil war last night.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article307663.ece

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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Alex213]
    #4570547 - 08/23/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Alex213 writes:

Quote:

Currently he isn't even being held by the Iraqi people.




And this means he won't be tried in an Iraqi court of law? Would you care to explain to the readers how this follows?




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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Phred]
    #4570738 - 08/23/05 12:35 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

If the severity of the situation did not convince the Iraqis to agree on a government and not kill each other my response would be, well it was a nice idea. It had a good chance, but didn't pan out because I guess Middle Eastern people have such a hard time acting civilized, US troops have a hard time not pissing off locals, and the US public is too weak willed to resist influence by ongoing terrorist attacks.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Phred]
    #4570885 - 08/23/05 01:04 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

And this means he won't be tried in an Iraqi court of law?

One step at a time. Lets see if he ever becomes a prisoner held by Iraq as opposed to being held on a US military base in a foreign country first.

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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: JesusChrist]
    #4570935 - 08/23/05 01:13 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Such pretty words: freedom, democracy, liberation, constitution. All window dressing and all bullshit. Unless you lower your standards of course, which high school social studies does for us. This isn't my idea of freedom, so how do you think completely different cultures are going to feel when they find out those are all just pretty words? They are going to be pissed and blow stuff up, it will be civil war there soon enough as they realize they aren't going to be happy with what we set up. Do I WANT this to happen? Hell no. This is why I hate bush, because I do NOT want these things to happen that his cronies have caused.

It's not the other way around, no one wants bad things to happen because we hate bush, we hate bushco because THEY are causing the bad things to happen. But go ahead and tell yourself whatever makes it easier for you to accept a wholesale rape of a population who has done nothing to ask for it.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Sycronica]
    #4570962 - 08/23/05 01:18 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

If the muslim clerics get their way women are going to have a whole lot fewer rights in the "new, free Iraq"(TM) than they did under Saddam.

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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Alex213]
    #4571007 - 08/23/05 01:34 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The blessing of democracy.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4571025 - 08/23/05 01:41 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

MagicalMystery said:
Actually, if the insurgents are attacking us, it's not a civil war. They'd have to be killing their own countrymen for it to be civil.



They have been killing their own countrymen......the insurgents have killed far more Iraqis than they have American soldiers.


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OfflineUnagipie
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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4571077 - 08/23/05 01:54 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

There is no democracy being set up in Iraq. They're deriving everything from Islam, real original


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Swami]
    #4852921 - 10/25/05 11:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
I have not once retreated from a single prediction made on this forum. All have come true and only one remains unfulfilled. I stand by my long-predicted civil war in Iraq. It is already in progress with near-daily killings, but when the new constitution fails to please the three major factions - chaos and more bloodshed will reign in a "free and democratic" Iraq.

How will the war-supporters then justify the invasion?




The constitution that you speak of just passed. Sorry bout your luck.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: JesusChrist]
    #4853858 - 10/26/05 08:32 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

With a little help from the vote-riggers.

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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Alex213]
    #4853874 - 10/26/05 08:41 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

call al gore.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Alex213]
    #4854085 - 10/26/05 10:06 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I still have not seen anything substantial showing that the vote was rigged.

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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Redstorm]
    #4855164 - 10/26/05 03:31 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Swami, alas, (and I mean that) has I think been eradicated forever due to his addiction to trolling wimps in one of the S&M or G&L or P&C, whatever forums. Too bad.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4856095 - 10/26/05 06:47 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Swami, alas, (and I mean that) has I think been eradicated forever due to his addiction to trolling wimps in one of the S&M or G&L or P&C, whatever forums. Too bad.




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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: JesusChrist]
    #4859834 - 10/27/05 03:30 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

JC, are you unaware of the news? Yes, the constituion was ratified, but the violence is still increasing - as predicted.

Which is more important? A document or more and more dead bodies? What magical power will this piece of paper have when chaos and bloodshed is accelerating?


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Swami]
    #4860020 - 10/27/05 04:19 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Yes, the constituion was ratified, but the violence is still increasing - as predicted.




I'm going to request a credible source showing the violence is "increasing" since the referendum was held. My admittedly unscientific method of scanning all major media sources available on the internet several times each day for reports from Iraq has shown the reverse to be the case, but I will admit you are correct if presented with proof.





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