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InvisibleSwami
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Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War
    #4566515 - 08/22/05 03:13 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I have not once retreated from a single prediction made on this forum. All have come true and only one remains unfulfilled. I stand by my long-predicted civil war in Iraq. It is already in progress with near-daily killings, but when the new constitution fails to please the three major factions - chaos and more bloodshed will reign in a "free and democratic" Iraq.

How will the war-supporters then justify the invasion?


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Swami]
    #4566522 - 08/22/05 03:16 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

and what are those predictions again. OH GREAT ONE


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4566551 - 08/22/05 03:27 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Seems more of a logical conclusion than a prediction but don't let me steal your thunder hehe.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Sycronica]
    #4566578 - 08/22/05 03:36 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

more like wishful thinking.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4566583 - 08/22/05 03:38 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

wishful thinking is that we are spreading democracy lol


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Sycronica]
    #4566614 - 08/22/05 03:51 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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wishful thinking is that we are spreading democracy lol




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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Sycronica]
    #4566681 - 08/22/05 04:14 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Seems more of a logical conclusion than a prediction but don't let me steal your thunder hehe.

I posted this idea long before troops went in. ANY THINKING person who studied the people, the region and the history could see how it would unfold.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Swami]
    #4566813 - 08/22/05 04:54 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

what other predictions on Iraq have you made besides Hussein never being tried and the civil war?


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Swami]
    #4566983 - 08/22/05 05:52 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Swami said:
I have not once retreated from a single prediction made on this forum. All have come true and only one remains unfulfilled. I stand by my long-predicted civil war in Iraq. It is already in progress with near-daily killings, but when the new constitution fails to please the three major factions - chaos and more bloodshed will reign in a "free and democratic" Iraq.

How will the war-supporters then justify the invasion?




Well, if you continuously lower the standards of what any reasonable person would consider a full blown civil war NYC is in a state of civil war today. Did you predict that? Wanna back up your bullshit with any facts? Hell, how about just a definition of "civil war" so we'll all know what the fuck you're talking about instead of just you, John Edwards. Please include any distinctions you would like to make between half-blown and full-blown as well.

While your crossing over, let us know when Hussein's trial will end, because it set to start any day now. One could easily argue it has already started since motions are being filed left and right. Ah what the fuck, even when it does start you'll probably just say it's a fake moon landing and still not "retreat".


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4567031 - 08/22/05 06:02 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Well, if you continuously lower the standards of what any reasonable person would consider a full blown civil war NYC is in a state of civil war today.



So we can compare the two, why don't you tell us how many bombing, rocket and mortar attacks occur per week in NYC?


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4567065 - 08/22/05 06:11 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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Prosgeopax said:
Quote:

Sycronica said:
wishful thinking is that we are spreading democracy lol







i did not like the idea of invading Iraq. i also thought we should have split the country up. but now after all the life/work people have spent in Iraq i think there is a chance that this could work. could it work???? the all knowing swami says no.

but unlike some people on the shroomery i hope for the best possible future for Iraq.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Swami]
    #4567077 - 08/22/05 06:15 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

so swami, the countdown! how much time?


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4567084 - 08/22/05 06:16 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

that's fine and well, but people should be allowed
to bet the crap line too.

there's nothing wrong with pessimissm, per se.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Swami]
    #4567090 - 08/22/05 06:16 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Actually, if the insurgents are attacking us, it's not a civil war. They'd have to be killing their own countrymen for it to be civil. And if a civil war starts, we'd better be ready to get the fuck out of there.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4567096 - 08/22/05 06:18 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

He just said killings. I want to know what his criteria are for declaring the situation to be a full blown civil war. Is that too much to ask, a definition from the mighty Kreskin? I can predict that it will be gorble and wait until whatever happens happens and say see, I said it would be gorble and now IT IS.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4567099 - 08/22/05 06:19 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Iraq is definatly gorbled up. Good prediction.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4567110 - 08/22/05 06:22 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I would like the best possible world for the Iraqi people as well. Iraq's culture and history probably do not lend themselves to a western style democratic-republic. Additionally Iraq is the result of western powers putting down arbitrary lines and calling it a country. It's too bad that those making the constitution did not spend more time studying the Swiss system of confederation, which may be better suited for accommodating the various ethnic and religious groups which comprise the population living in the area known as Iraq. Such an arrangement would allow for secession however, and that is frowned upon by all those concerned with control.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: afoaf]
    #4567111 - 08/22/05 06:22 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
that's fine and well, but people should be allowed
to bet the crap line too.

there's nothing wrong with pessimissm, per se.




yup

but i think some people are betting on the crap line only because they hate bush.


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4567135 - 08/22/05 06:29 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

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I would like the best possible world for the Iraqi people as well.  Iraq's culture and history probably do not lend themselves to a western style democratic-republic.  Additionally Iraq is the result of western powers putting down arbitrary lines and calling it a country.  It's too bad that those making the constitution did not spend more time studying the Swiss system of confederation, which may be better suited for accommodating the various ethnic and religious groups which comprise the population living in the area known as Iraq.  Such an arrangement would allow for secession however, and that is frowned upon by all those concerned with control.




:thumbup:

its also too bad that those who went to war didn't spend more time studying the country's culture. the soldiers over there are told complete bullshit about Iraqis' habits, customs, signs, symbols...i once heard a soldier in Iraq point to a flag with three different colours and explain how each colour meant something different, like blood, death and some other thing, when really the colours meant something totally different.

i guess it helps the soldiers to get pumped up and pull the trigger easier


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Re: Countdown to full-blown Iraqi Civil War [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4567145 - 08/22/05 06:32 PM (11 years, 3 months ago)

well, his actions don't lend himself to endearment.


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