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OfflineDeviate
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holding psychedelic drug users in high regard?
    #4565052 - 08/21/05 10:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i've to come hold psychedelic drug users in high regard as a subset of the population. there are times when i see so much intelligence and wisdom on this forum it amazes me. i post an another spirituality, religion and philosophy board but on a website that has no affilitation with drugs and the discusions and viewpoints here are far more advanced and original than virtually anything posted there. very few people demonstrate knowledge of the inner (experiential) spiritual path which transncends any specific teaching and so the discussions are usually limited to interpretations and opinions about specific doctrines and heated debates about whether God exists (not that there isn't any of that here but you get the idea).

anyway i wonder if it has more to with intelligent open minded people being more interested in participating in forums on websites relating to psychedelics or the affects of the drugs themselves. i'm sure its some combination of both but does anyone else hold psychedelic drug users in high regard or at least find their viewpoints far more insightful than those of the average person? i know if i have a non mainsteam viewpoint i wish to discuss i would be far more likely to come here with it than to a forum which doesn't consist of mostly drug users.


Edited by Deviate (08/21/05 11:03 PM)


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Deviate]
    #4565085 - 08/21/05 11:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I agree. :thumbup: I think S&P here is pretty good. I learn grow and have fun here. :mushroom2: :heart:


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
    #4565316 - 08/21/05 11:58 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I think parts of the 'psychedelic community' value knowledge and intellegence very much. Definately, moreso that the culture spewed from the mouth of MTV, etc. I know if it wasn't for psychedelics and the culture around it, I'd probably be a dumb jock. Or at least, dumb.
Although, in comparison to some of the people on this forum, I AM dumb! What a shame. I hate smart people.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #4565620 - 08/22/05 01:39 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i was always intelligent and interested in philosophy but i feel like psychedelics really helped me see through some of my own delusions and projections and accept a wider picture of reality.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Deviate]
    #4565633 - 08/22/05 01:46 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I think intelligent people will usually be found in intellectual pursuits outside the mainstream, such as in the use of hallucinogens.

Though not necessary; there's a lot of really stupid people out there dropping acid and eating mushrooms who still think acid fucks up your spine. :rolleyes:

In fact, most of the people who I've talked in real life who do hallucinogens are idiots, so I think it's an online phenonema. Or perhaps there's just one really intelligent member here diffusing all of his IQ points to the rest of the herd?


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Ravus]
    #4565685 - 08/22/05 02:16 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Hello

I m new here, I think you are on to somehing, at least, thats the reason why I registered here, ... I?ve been just casual reader for a while...


Why are you here?


I would so much like to share my mushroom-related-experiences with someone ...
people who have used these drugs for something constructive ... who have felt the change in eerydaylife, in everydaybelief, in everydaythought

thats where Im sure, you know : the change is not an illusion, the change is real

man, when I think back, 5-10 years, I can see how I was ... selfish, stupid, allways complaining, tired, suspicious, scared ... you know?


somehow this has changed ... ofcourse, there are many reasons ... thinking about it, reading about it .... various ideas and all kinds of philosophies (how do you spell this word?)
I sometimes seriously feel like I would have just thrown my life away if it wasnt for (among other things) the mushrooms

the I talk to my sister, or dad or friends, and they say "wow, you are loosing it ... you are going insane .... you are becoming a drug-adict"

I tell them : look, its nothing like that .. I wake up in the morning and I feel good ... I go out, meet people and Im never scared ... I look at the world and feel like "wow, this is a mircale, Im so lucky to bere here"

this is not an illusion, this is truth


(ps - Im from a very conservative background ... I only use the mushrooms maybe 2-4 times a year, but this is more than enough to have me forever condemned as "drugadict")



funny, .... ?? ... actually I find it a bit funny




I found this place 3-4 months ago (while looking for info on growing the mushrooms myself)
I like this place ... just seeing that people all over the world have had somewhat of similar experiences

you know, I think "intelligence" is a misunderstood concept


I am from an "intelligent" family ... you know, they do well in school, they have cool jobs, they earn money, they all have great exams and fancy educations ... they are alle good at math and shit ... they knok all avout history, litterature and so on ....

but really, they are all just scared ... scared of the future, scared of sex, scared of God, scared of the muslims, scared og life, scared of death,


fear is what they are ... and what they made me .. brought me up to be...

I remember this ... fear all the time ... fear of school, of familiy, of traditions, of expectations of life and death



I think, intelligence = the ending of fear

intelligence = facing the world as it is .. stopping the eternal "running away" or "escaping" from life


I don?t remember any more, whether the mushrooms made me realize this, or whether it came from just thinking about it
Most likely a combination


My point :

I hold psychedelic drug-users in high regard


actually, the way things are, I hold everyone who dares do anything thats just remotely of the mtv-hollywod-mcdonalds-get-rich-culture in extremely hight regards



Edited by varthdader (08/23/05 04:29 AM)


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: VarthDader]
    #4565892 - 08/22/05 05:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Buddha in the Abayah Mudra [Gesture of Fearlessness]. Psychedelics may bring teachings of 'alien' religions to one's consciousness, thereby expanding one's understanding that Truth is not the sole property of any one religion. I am a Jewish-Christian (Jewish by birth, Christian by choice) yet I owe a great deal to the greatest philosopher of the East. I wear Tibetan Buddhist jewelry, fly prayer flags between palm trees, and have Tibetan Buddhist art in the meditation room. It is no more 'alien' to my faith than Platonic philosophy is to Christianity. Christianity started as completely Jewish and was infused with Greek philosophy. Since salvation history continues, further hybridization makes complete sense to me.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Ravus]
    #4565897 - 08/22/05 06:02 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Or perhaps there's just one really intelligent member here diffusing all of his IQ points to the rest of the herd?




So... you have slipped and let the truth of yourself be known. But just remember I scored higher on the emotional part than you did.


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Edited by Icelander (08/22/05 06:03 AM)


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
    #4565978 - 08/22/05 08:35 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Many of them I do. However, there are still people who take these drugs just to get high, not for any constructive purpose. I think that while on them, they may become more worldy, open-minded, etc... but once they effect wears off they forget about it and go searching for their next chemical happiness/alteration.
So yea... I hold alot of you guys in high reguard, aswell as some people ive met too... but it does depend on the person.
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: ColdNewWorld]
    #4565983 - 08/22/05 08:40 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I hope I'm one of those you hold in high retard. :slider:


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Deviate]
    #4565985 - 08/22/05 08:41 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Deviate said:
i've to come hold psychedelic drug users in high regard as a subset of the population. there are times when i see so much intelligence and wisdom on this forum it amazes me. i post an another spirituality, religion and philosophy board but on a website that has no affilitation with drugs and the discusions and viewpoints here are far more advanced and original than virtually anything posted there. very few people demonstrate knowledge of the inner (experiential) spiritual path which transncends any specific teaching and so the discussions are usually limited to interpretations and opinions about specific doctrines and heated debates about whether God exists (not that there isn't any of that here but you get the idea).

anyway i wonder if it has more to with intelligent open minded people being more interested in participating in forums on websites relating to psychedelics or the affects of the drugs themselves. i'm sure its some combination of both but does anyone else hold psychedelic drug users in high regard or at least find their viewpoints far more insightful than those of the average person? i know if i have a non mainsteam viewpoint i wish to discuss i would be far more likely to come here with it than to a forum which doesn't consist of mostly drug users.




All the psychadelic users that I know are screw-ups, and got their brain fried by using all kinds of other things.
I've never met anyone that selects his drugs for some spirituality or whatever, they'll take anything you give them. Some ended up dead.

Using psychadelics does not guarantee anything.
Those people that get changed by psychadelics change by themselfs, the chemicals don't do it for them


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4566008 - 08/22/05 08:56 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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All the psychadelic users that I know are screw-ups, and got their brain fried by using all kinds of other things.
I've never met anyone that selects his drugs for some spirituality or whatever, they'll take anything you give them. Some ended up dead.




Thanks a lot pal.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
    #4566012 - 08/22/05 08:59 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I ment those who I know outside the internet  :wink:


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4566016 - 08/22/05 09:01 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

So you're saying we're either a special group, or a bunch of liars. :grin:


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4566078 - 08/22/05 09:35 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Same here. It's odd, isn't it, the most of the psychedelic users you meet in real life tend to be below the average intelligence, but online there's many extremely intelligent people?

Possibly because intelligent drug users are attracted online, where they find knowledge available like never before in earth's history. Just by typing in a few letters we can end up at Erowid to search mostly every known recreational (and some non-recreational) drug in existence, Wikipedia to browse hundreds of thousands of articles on all the subjects from quantum mechanics to philosophy to politics, and, of course, the Shroomery, which is where the knowledge you don't find elsewhere can be asked. The internet is a haven for a drug user trying to get their daily fix of knowledge.

Most psychedelic users could care less for it though; the intelligent psychedelic user seems to be the exception more than the rule, but when they are intelligent they seem to be extremely well-learned and philosophical.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
    #4566154 - 08/22/05 10:15 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
So you're saying we're either a special group, or a bunch of liars. :grin:




I'm saying that only a handfull of psychadelic users found something good in it, the rest use it as any other drug.

I know a kid who used some wier psychadelic shit (it wasn't LSD or shrooms of course) for a long time, and it destroyed his brain, he couldn't even finish his highschool becuase of problems with memory, so he droped out (that doesn't happen much around here) and is now a thome with his father, and is a smalltime dealer, that's all he can do. His dad knows about it, and lets him because he can't anything else properly. He is 17 now I think.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4566196 - 08/22/05 10:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

a special bunch of liars


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Ravus]
    #4566900 - 08/22/05 03:29 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I have never met other psychedelic enthusiasts before coming online. I have known people who said that they have taken acid or shrooms, and they all talked a good game, but when push came to shove they were terrified by the limited experiences that they had. Most of these guys were just stoners burned out from dope or burned out and dying from meth. In the end I am the only psychedelic enthusiast that I know. I until recently assumed I was among the last of a dying breed...unless this is some kind of dinosaur graveyard.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4566906 - 08/22/05 03:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Either way it's cool :cool: :heart:


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
    #4566918 - 08/22/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Truth is though I know of a few on the Shamanic path. So as always, it is the few. As JC said, " many are called, but few are choosen" :mushroom2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
    #4566968 - 08/22/05 03:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I have met nearly a dozen who claimed it, but mostly they sat around stoned while not working to earn the money for the child support they were not paying. That and mooching off of their friends. I have known one who was real deal, but he didn't use drugs at all.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4566975 - 08/22/05 03:49 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"mostly they sat around stoned while not working to earn the money for the child support they were not paying. That and mooching off of their friends."

Sounds familiar... :tongue:


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
    #4567028 - 08/22/05 04:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

As JC said, " many are called, but few are choosen"

Doh! I always thought it was: "Many are cold, but few are frozen." :foreheadslap:


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Swami]
    #4567115 - 08/22/05 04:24 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

No no no, "its few are told that they are eating poison" :smirk:


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
    #4567137 - 08/22/05 04:29 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"many are called, but few are choosen"

"Make a promise, take a vow
Trust your feelings it's easy now
Understand the voice within
And feel the change already beginning..."
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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4567236 - 08/22/05 04:57 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"E sonk konk alu"

The Doors.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
    #4567268 - 08/22/05 05:03 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
"E sonk konk alu"

The Doors.




Is that supposed to be Morrison's guitar impression on the end of "Cars Hiss by My Window?"


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #4567276 - 08/22/05 05:05 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Or his improvised singing on Roadhouse Blues?


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4567281 - 08/22/05 05:06 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Shit I think you nailed it.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: it stars saddam]
    #4567288 - 08/22/05 05:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"I woke up this morning and I got myself a beer
The futures uncertain and the end is always near"


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4567481 - 08/22/05 06:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Or his improvised singing on Roadhouse Blues?



:thumbup:


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Icelander]
    #4567834 - 08/22/05 07:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The more I hang out with users of psychedelic drugs in real life, the more my opinion of psychedelic drug users goes down.

Also, the more I hang out on this board, the more my opinion of it goes down in general.

The more I look at psychedelic inspired art and music, the more my opinion of it goes up.

In the first case, the people are just looking for a thrill, and this thrill seeking is usually masking a self destructive streak.

In the second case, I don't think very many people here are that capable of making coherent arguments and logically defending them. A little to much stuff that's close to astrology for my taste. No one besides swami will call people out on grasping onto stupid shit. Also, a lot of people here are really just as stupid about using drugs as the drug warrior stereotypes would suggest. (see, thenewuser, for example). However, this complaint is largely confined to a subsection of the community. There is a group of people who are really good here, my opinion of them doesn't go down, just the general community.

In the third case, I am impressed because creating art or music about psychedelics involves actually engaging your psychedelic experience rather then just being entertained by the pretty colors or whatnot.

To me, I'd change what you said to "Holding a sub-group of psychedelic users in high regard." This subgroup would be those that use them for psychological or mystical or creative purposes (are these three the same?).


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: tomk]
    #4567852 - 08/22/05 07:34 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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I'd change what you said to "Holding a sub-group of psychedelic users in high regard." This subgroup would be those that use them for psychological or mystical or creative purposes (are these three the same?).




Sure, that sounds good.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: tomk]
    #4568142 - 08/22/05 08:42 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"he more I hang out with users of psychedelic drugs in real life, the more my opinion of psychedelic drug users goes down.

Also, the more I hang out on this board, the more my opinion of it goes down in general."

No one forces you to come here.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Deviate]
    #4568362 - 08/22/05 09:24 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Was it Tom Wolff in 'The Electric Kool Aid Acid Test' that noted that there are two kinds of people: those who have had The Experience and those who have not. More and more, as I contemplate my almost complete lack of friends (except childhood friends whom I don't see for years at a time) over the past 3 decades can be reduced to this. Even when I went through seminary (1976-78) and tried to connect with people through a common belief system, it was shallow compared to deep Psychedelic Experience which brought religious Truth out. Yet, even among childhood tripping buddies, the Catholic friend who taught me during tripping about Christian love through just being and answering short profound questions with short profound answers, failed to make the definitive identification of those High States with the Truth of his faith. My other childhood friend - a Greek Orthodox Christian - would say something like "tripping is a lot of fun" even though we had Experiences that even I (in all my wordiness) cannot put into words.

In a personal letter to me, Dr. Albert Hofmann referred to "the LSD inebriation" as "the most comforting truth of the Gospels." He is perhaps the only Christian who has been able to make this definitive identification and I love the man profoundly for his personal revelation of this to me, not to mention his discovery of LSD and synthesis of psilocybin. Ram Dass - a Conservative Jew by upbringing - met his Guru Neem Karolie Baba, who said that LSD allows one to be visited by Christ. He was very specific about this 'saint' (Hindu take on Christ), which I do not think that Ram Dass ever really groked-in-fullness, but merely generalized along with other "realized beings."

Only my Lady shares much of what I am sharing here and I was the one who turned her on for the first time some 9 years ago. I am grateful for her presence in my life but I sincerely wish that I knew others, young or old, who held these states in as high regard as I do. I have been a 'stranger in a strange land' now for decades. I have never wished to 'forget' the Psychedelic Illumination as did some of the earliest and greatest explorers like Jerry Garcia, Jimi Hendrix and Jim Morrison - all who did a 180 degree turn-around and headed into opiated unconconsciousness. Psychedelic Illumination continues to feed my hunger for GOD, for Gnosis, for Realization and the side effects have been wonderful. "Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and its righteousness, and all things will be added unto you." True Dat!


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4568515 - 08/22/05 09:52 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"I sincerely wish that I knew others, young or old, who held these states in as high regard as I do."

In that case...greetings, I am Huehuecoyotl.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4568720 - 08/22/05 10:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Hue -

What I mean is that the number of good users stays relatively stable while the number of idiots seems to go in. Seems like every day there is a new idiot, but not every day there is a new person who would make me hold their use of psychedelics in high regard. The number of cool people here is quite high too, and I quite like it here.

A decrease from a really high regard, to just sorta a slight plus regard isn't an insult.


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: tomk]
    #4569452 - 08/23/05 04:25 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Hello

I?m new and kind of retarded (mentally that is)


I think it would be perfect, if everyone who used these drugs were the same... thought the same, did the same, reacted the same, experienced the same

then we could all sit around and tell eachother : oh you are brilliant and you have realized the encomprehensible and completely complex and mysterious truth of life, god and jesus and the rest of them ... just as me ... wow you are so smart and clever .,.. just like me ... aren?t we all just perfect ... we all know and have realized ... weeee



wouldn?t that be lovely?

Imagine .... heaven on earth


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: VarthDader]
    #4569485 - 08/23/05 05:10 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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varthdader said:


I think it would be perfect, if everyone who used these drugs were the same... thought the same, did the same, reacted the same, experienced the same





I completely disagree with this statement. What makes places like the S & P section of this forum so great is the individuality and freedom of thought that goes on within the boards. As many have said, the intellectual psychadellic users who's goals are to expand and explore their minds and souls are few and far between.

But it would be hypocritical to say that none of us have used a drug of some sort, just to "get our fix" at some point in our lives, because we all have. People change and all of us have healing to do within ourselves.


Edited by Picking4Peace (08/23/05 05:11 AM)


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Re: holding psychedelic drug users in high regard? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4569556 - 08/23/05 06:21 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
"I sincerely wish that I knew others, young or old, who held these states in as high regard as I do."

In that case...greetings, I am Huehuecoyotl.




Yes! Hi Mark and Hue, I'm Icelander, I would like to introduce you to my partner and best friend Veritas! We may not use the same terminology but we are there and grok in fullness. The conversations we have at home, blow what we do here right out of the water. :thumbup:


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Edited by Icelander (08/23/05 06:23 AM)


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